2002 4Runner Remote Starter Questions

[Amirocassar]

Hey guys, I purchased a remote starter(Crimestopper rs4-g4) along with a bypass (PKALL- Xpresskit). I very anal about everything, as it should be done, and am looking over everything before I even begin to do it. I'm pretty tech savvy and my father is an Aircraft Mechanic, but then again this is a new realm for us. We do pretty much everything on my 4Runner, but this is one thing neither of us have done so it would be nice to get some feedback from someone who has or knows how to do it. I'm just a bit curious about the 6pin- High Voltage wire for the rs4-g4, it has two red wires that are for power. The diagram shows the two wires kind've being connected at the end and then hooked up to the positive terminal of the battery. This doesn't sound right at all... I wasn't sure if they actually meant the battery/starter cable going to the car? Of course theres starter/ignition wires, and etc. Just want to clarify all this stuff. And the hood pin, they fail to mention exactly how to install it. I'm supposing it's a wire that goes towards the pin, and when it's down(hood closed) it grounds, and when the hood is open, it "ungrounds". I just hope nobody "bashes me" and says "goodluck screwing up your car", I'm just looking for positive feedback. I just want to make sure with everything.

Check twice, connect once!

Thanks!

 

[bpowa]

Hmm.. I installed a viper 5704 on my last tundra. Good idea about buying an express kit. unless you can program and deal with relays.

Let me tell you, if you never dont it its not worth it.

It took me a few days, and tons of wiring. What took the longest was making sense of the wiring diagram and programing. I was counting chirps.etc..
As for the hood pin. I placed the pin on the corner of the hood and the pin is adjustable for height. its is one wire. Gery for DEI alarms. and grounds pin when pushed in. pretty basic function.
For my 4runner I just paid the shop to do it. I have a cheaper alarm. Avital 5303. I paid about 250 installed.

My only complaint is the shop did a half ass job.. no hood pin installed and used a RF signal for the remote start, instead of wiring directly to the tach signal. I also noticed they did not wire the horn. who knows what else.

If u dont wire directly to the tach signal. the remote start sometimes tries to start but will not hold the starter for long enough cranking time so it can take a few tries. and it varies..

When I have time ill eventually wire the horn, hood pin, and tach wire.. Its BS that, they are that laze to splice 3 extra wires. I took it back and they gave me the run around.. But I know I can fix it on my own and not deal with their bullshit. They are arrogant. I guess I got what I paid for.. But would like to know upfront. For the most part. the alarm does work and its all I need to deter thieves.

So if you install yourself, and want to save a hundred bucks go for it. But my time is worth more than that.

good luck.. check the12volt.com for reference.

 

[BrianSD_42]

Does anyone ever install one of these things who doesn't really need to?

I mean the only threads I ever see about remote starts are:

1. previous owner installed one and now the car's electrical is a non-functioning nightmare

2. new install and cannot get it to work


Sorry but as a technology this seems greatly overrated.

 

[IBallEngineer]

Does anyone ever install one of these things who doesn't really need to?

I mean the only threads I ever see about remote starts are:

1. previous owner installed one and now the car's electrical is a non-functioning nightmare

2. new install and cannot get it to work


Sorry but as a technology this seems greatly overrated.

While I agree with this in everyway, and did I mention that I agree with this in everyway, I still have to say one thing. There is always a but!

I love technology!

The previous owner of my 3rd Gen had an alarm installed, and I looked at what they did, scotchlocks and blue crimps everywhere. I hate the way it looks. That said it actually works very well (so I've left it alone, for now)and I LOOOOOVE having a remote start, and the window roll up feature when you set the alarm is nice too. Truthfully I almost never set the alarm. I don't want to be "that guy" whose car alarm is going off all the time for no reason. I pay a lot to live where I live, nuff said.

I've always said if I installed car stereos and alarms for a living I'd have to charge $900 for every install because it would take me 2 days!

I used to have a 51 Chevy P/U. It had no radio, no carpeting or headliner, and no heater. But it had power windows controlled by what looked like window cranks, and it had a start button that latched ignition once it started.

I'm geeky that way! Did I mention I agree with everything you said!

:nicethread:

 

[gshadow325]

I lol at these threads. I am on mobile so I don't know where you located, if you close to me....I would install it for you, but I would sell you a quality unit vs crapstopper. You might have to look into it but the bypass module might need to be flashed to work.

I would not attempt to install this If you have no knowledge. Mechanics are parts changers, this is not changing out parts. This is a custom installation, this is something that requires knowledge on how these system works.

Not trying to scare you, not trying to dissuade you. Leave this to someone that knows how to do it.

If you insist on installing it. I am more than willing to help you. Just shoot with the questions. 3rd gens are cake. Full alarm remote starters take me 1.5 hours to solder in and get done.

Here is a 2014 Honda cross tour push to start I did today fyi

 

[gshadow325]

 

[Amirocassar]

I lol at these threads. I am on mobile so I don't know where you located, if you close to me....I would install it for you, but I would sell you a quality unit vs crapstopper. You might have to look into it but the bypass module might need to be flashed to work.

I would not attempt to install this If you have no knowledge. Mechanics are parts changers, this is not changing out parts. This is a custom installation, this is something that requires knowledge on how these system works.

Not trying to scare you, not trying to dissuade you. Leave this to someone that knows how to do it.

If you insist on installing it. I am more than willing to help you. Just shoot with the questions. 3rd gens are cake. Full alarm remote starters take me 1.5 hours to solder in and get done.

Here is a 2014 Honda cross tour push to start I did today fyi

Yeah I understand where you're coming from. I'm pretty sure me and my father can handle it, but I'm just very cautious and like to make sure everything's good. My father's an aircraft mechanic, but he not only "replaces" he fixes them. He's done plenty of the electrical work himself, not just "replacing". This of course, is just a different realm. As for the bypass, no it doesn't need to be flashed. It comes being said(and when I read before I bought) that no flash is needed, except for the newer vehicles and flashing is "suggested" to get the updated firmware. However, it supports my vehicle through asking the company and I'm pretty confident it'll all go through. I was just a bit confused by the Crimestoppers diagram, and how they show certain wires being hooked up to the positive terminal of a 12v battery, which looks like a car battery. I didn't think that was right since A. never heard of that, B. the wires of course wouldn't be long enough or it would be a really tight fit, but then again I haven't done these my entire life. Typically with wiring it's color to color, but seeing as it's two different products from two different companies and a car, I'm figuring the coloring will be off a bit. The PKALL is telling that the blue/black(if I recall, don't have the book right next to me) is suppose to go to the remote start, yet the wire for the remote starter to a bypass module is yellow/black. So I was a bit dumbfounded, but like I said they probably just don't have the same colors since their different colors. So yeah, anything you could do or tell me to help out with be great. Like, if you could tell me of any "hiccups" that happened to you when you did it on a 3rd gen, unless I read wrong. I appreciate it thanks

[MENTION=97516]The[/MENTION] person saying crapstopper

Well I'm on a budget, moving for college, and love to save a dime. I've read nothing but great reviews, besides their instructions being a bit vague. I know the difference between "quality" and cost, but then again everything's made in freaking China with just a different label on it!
[MENTION=100766]bpowa[/MENTION]

I'd prefer not allowing someone to work on my vehicle. I've done pretty much everything on my car so far, and we're changing out the rear axle seals tomorrow actually, because there was differential oil being leaked into the brake drums. (Yes it wasn't brake fluid just with dust, we tested it and did a brake flush ourselves.) Tremendous amount of air stuck in the braking system too, so whomever did it was a terrible mechanic or a complete noob! The braking when I got the car was the Flintstones, my foot was at the floor. I'd rather do it myself, learn, and have the pleasure of knowing I did it myself. So many of these people these days just do such a crappy job, I'm referring to the actual installers, just like your story. The hoodpin is a very important thing, and I am quite confused about how this thing actually works with the wire. But I'll figure it all out!

Wish me luck!

 

[zacattack20]

The power wires don't go all the way to the battery. They just need constant power. You connect those to the red and red/white wires that go into the ignition switch. I installed my viper remote start and that was one of the first electrical things I ever did. I soldered and heat shrunk everything and it took me around 6 hours. Three years later and haven't had any issues.

As for anything with the bypass, I have no idea because I didn't need to install one of those.

 

[Amirocassar]

The power wires don't go all the way to the battery. They just need constant power. You connect those to the red and red/white wires that go into the ignition switch. I installed my viper remote start and that was one of the first electrical things I ever did. I soldered and heat shrunk everything and it took me around 6 hours. Three years later and haven't had any issues.

As for anything with the bypass, I have no idea because I didn't need to install one of those.

Yeah I figured that. Thanks! What year 4runner did you have? Pretty shocked you needed no bypass. I think it's after like '88 that most "higher" end vehicles had bypasses, with 4runner being considered a "high" end due to it's price range.

 

[zacattack20]

Yeah I figured that. Thanks! What year 4runner did you have? Pretty shocked you needed no bypass. I think it's after like '88 that most "higher" end vehicles had bypasses, with 4runner being considered a "high" end due to it's price range.

Mine is a '98. And I'm just guessing but the bypasses are used for the immobilizer right? Toyota didn't start putting them into 4runners until the 99's I believe and then they were only in the limited editions at first.

 

[Amirocassar]

Mine is a '98. And I'm just guessing but the bypasses are used for the immobilizer right? Toyota didn't start putting them into 4runners until the 99's I believe and then they were only in the limited editions at first.

Guess so.. This is my first own car, so yeah.. Got it for like 5k? with 160k miles.. Might've overpaid but the woman was going through tough times so I couldn't haggle too much. Brand new tires too, so that was a huge relief. Looks like the hoses and everything were changed recently too. It's a '02 SR5. Put in a pioneer blue-tooth, with all the bells and whistles, two weeks ago? I actually though the radio sounded like crap, so figured I would change the speakers. But amazingly the sound VASTLY improved. So I'll be able to just chill for now and pay for college. Got one of those short antennas too, surprisingly good reception and I don't really care for a huge antenna anyway.

 

[zacattack20]

Guess so.. This is my first own car, so yeah.. Got it for like 5k? with 160k miles.. Might've overpaid but the woman was going through tough times so I couldn't haggle too much. Brand new tires too, so that was a huge relief. Looks like the hoses and everything were changed recently too. It's a '02 SR5. Put in a pioneer blue-tooth, with all the bells and whistles, two weeks ago? I actually though the radio sounded like crap, so figured I would change the speakers. But amazingly the sound VASTLY improved. So I'll be able to just chill for now and pay for college. Got one of those short antennas too, surprisingly good reception and I don't really care for a huge antenna anyway.

An '02 for 5k is a great deal. And 160k miles isn't that much at all on these trucks as long as they are taken care of.

 

[bpowa]

I actually use the remote starter everyday. It's not the technology. It's the installer that did a crappy job. The system i.had on my tundra worked great because I did it myself and made sure it worked.

Op. I'm sure your dad an you can do the job. But just ask yourself is it worth your time with school and having your ride sit for a few days. These installers are not geniuses. I beleive if you do it every day. It is almost memorizing the wires front different vehicle makes. Right after I installed it on the tundra. I would have been able to install another one right after in a couple hours. Just by memory. The remote start wiring is just using the alarm to bypass and splice into your ignition system. I beleive its a bout 6 wires. But you have to make sure the wires are tested before you cut and splice. However i am a bit concerned that you don't know how the good pin works. I think its a pretty simple mechanism. You i could tell how it works by just looking at it.

Does anyone ever install one of these things who doesn't really need to?

I mean the only threads I ever see about remote starts are:

1. previous owner installed one and now the car's electrical is a non-functioning nightmare

2. new install and cannot get it to work


Sorry but as a technology this seems greatly overrated.

 

[pattycakes77]

When the actual temperature is -20 or more, you quickly fall in love with your remote start!

I do all my own work on my 4runner, BUT, I had a remote start installed on mine this past summer. However, this wasn't the usual box store that rams 100 cars a day through. I know the people that work there, they know me, they know my vehicle, and they know how weird I am about it. I asked TONS of questions about the install prior to purchasing. Anything I was not OK with, we made other arrangements to meet my expectations. For instance, instead of them drilling a hole in the rad support for a little plunger to tell the remote start the hood is open, I had them install a bypass switch behind the dash. Also, they only had one wire that goes into the engine bay and the install was very clean and top notch.

The remote start has been a life saver this winter, it's almost nice looking forward to my WARM commute every day.

 

[Amirocassar]

When the actual temperature is -20 or more, you quickly fall in love with your remote start!

I do all my own work on my 4runner, BUT, I had a remote start installed on mine this past summer. However, this wasn't the usual box store that rams 100 cars a day through. I know the people that work there, they know me, they know my vehicle, and they know how weird I am about it. I asked TONS of questions about the install prior to purchasing. Anything I was not OK with, we made other arrangements to meet my expectations. For instance, instead of them drilling a hole in the rad support for a little plunger to tell the remote start the hood is open, I had them install a bypass switch behind the dash. Also, they only had one wire that goes into the engine bay and the install was very clean and top notch.

The remote start has been a life saver this winter, it's almost nice looking forward to my WARM commute every day.

Yeah exactly, people shouldn't bash. Because when it's anything under 20-30 degrees, you'll be hoping you have a remote start so your engine can warm up while you're in the warm-safety of your home.

 

[gshadow325]

These installers are not geniuses. I beleive if you do it every day. It is almost memorizing the wires front different vehicle makes.

I resent that statement. I know I am not a genius, if I was I would be a multi millionaire. I am pretty dam good at what I do though. You can't memorize wires like that. Unless you are doing the same vehicle over and over and over again and again again. Even then throw one or two different cars info the mix and you forget that fast.

A installer needs to know basic wiring concepts. They need to know how a relay works, what is needed to be energized when the vehicle starts. The OPs father is a trained aircraft mechanic. He Probably can't tell me right from the top of his head, how to switch a negative trigger to positive trigger. What is the difference between a ignition line and accessory line? What wires to grab for ignition 1 and 2 and where to get them in the vehicle.

No genius but I am really good at what I do, and I do it well.

 

[IBallEngineer]

I resent that statement.

No genius but I am really good at what I do, and I do it well.

Not sure but I don't think that statement was directed at you. You may be a fine installer, and I applaud that. But surely you know the average installer doesn't know the first thing about basic wiring concepts. They are mostly hacks, installing cheap products as fast as they can.

I owned an auto body shop for 14 yrs. and although I did, and still can do fabulous repairs on virtually destroyed cars, I am fully aware of the butchering that goes on in that business. I never did that, and I hold my head high, you should too if you are proud of your ability.

 

[gshadow325]

Not sure but I don't think that statement was directed at you. You may be a fine installer, and I applaud that. But surely you know the average installer doesn't know the first thing about basic wiring concepts. They are mostly hacks, installing cheap products as fast as they can.

I owned an auto body shop for 14 yrs. and although I did, and still can do fabulous repairs on virtually destroyed cars, I am fully aware of the butchering that goes on in that business. I never did that, and I hold my head high, you should too if you are proud of your ability.

I forgot to put and LoL, although i was chuckling when i wrote the reply....like right now i am smiling, if you can see that! hahaha i was just kidding, i take no offense to nothing online!!

About most installers, my motto is. for every one good shop there are at least 5 bad ones!

 

[bpowa]

Hey i did not mean to offend you. If I did sorry. I'm sure you are great at it and take pride. U see i rather not bring it back to the place i had it installed. Its not they did not know what they were doing. It's the lets jus get him out of here quickly. Even when they were just sitting around twiddling their thumbs with no business when I came in. It's that mindset they have and I'm sure their business will fail. I was going to buy speakers from them. But now i rather buy online then to deal with arrogant people. I use to managed auto repair shops and i know how the business works. As mentioned there are many careless people that tank no pride.

I resent that statement. I know I am not a genius, if I was I would be a multi millionaire. I am pretty dam good at what I do though. You can't memorize wires like that. Unless you are doing the same vehicle over and over and over again and again again. Even then throw one or two different cars info the mix and you forget that fast.

A installer needs to know basic wiring concepts. They need to know how a relay works, what is needed to be energized when the vehicle starts. The OPs father is a trained aircraft mechanic. He Probably can't tell me right from the top of his head, how to switch a negative trigger to positive trigger. What is the difference between a ignition line and accessory line? What wires to grab for ignition 1 and 2 and where to get them in the vehicle.

No genius but I am really good at what I do, and I do it well.

 

[gshadow325]

Hey i did not mean to offend you. If I did sorry. I'm sure you are great at it and take pride.

no offense taken, i am glad you made sure of that. so i do NOT accept your apology LOL

i do take pride in what i do, the way i see it and judge myself...I am only as good as my last job i rolled out of my store. you roll crap, you are crap. If i didnt install it and one of my employees installs it, i still go over it and check it. Why? it has my name on it. Employees come and go, as long as my name is on it...Its my responsibility! My staff knows this.