2015 hood flex help!!

And if one of you guys wants to give me a free 5th gen and 5.7L 3UR-FE to transplant I'll happily be a 5th gen owner Jeremy. :P
You know you can't give up the burger trays, C pillar mirrors, goofy HVAC flower controls, and that engine won't fit in the 150 chassis
 
Hey of course they were saying basically the same thing. Difference is one was being earnest and the other was being an ass.
Back to hoods: What causes the flexing? Wind right? Anyone thought to check the hood latch adjustment and hood stops on each side to make sure everything is tight? There is a seal up front and if wind is getting under it that could be the cause. Everyone wants to blame the sheet metal but in reality if everything is set up right you shouldn't have problems. I had to adjust my stops because when closed you could still push a corner of the hood down a bit. Thoughts?
Shit... that is on my pre-flight checklist. I am earnestly trying to be an ass at all times.
 
I admit I didn't read every word of every post, but it seems you are both arguing the same side of the point and misreading/understanding each other (or maybe just one of you).

I read both of you as saying:

New cars are structurally stronger, where it matters, and much safer than old cars.

Do either of you disagree with that?


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Hey of course they were saying basically the same thing. Difference is one was being earnest and the other was being an ass.
Back to hoods: What causes the flexing? Wind right? Anyone thought to check the hood latch adjustment and hood stops on each side to make sure everything is tight? There is a seal up front and if wind is getting under it that could be the cause. Everyone wants to blame the sheet metal but in reality if everything is set up right you shouldn't have problems. I had to adjust my stops because when closed you could still push a corner of the hood down a bit. Thoughts?

eh you're a complete tool.
 
Not at all (well maybe on the ADHD part, it's more the Asperger's :madgrin:)

And if one of you guys wants to give me a free 5th gen and 5.7L 3UR-FE to transplant I'll happily be a 5th gen owner Jeremy. :P



Because in this discussion we're talking about hood flexing under wind pressure at speed (i.e. driving fast on the freeway) and why typically hoods are thinner/flappier in newer cars than they were in older cars. I made the comment about them being notched for impacts and thinner as a possible safety measure for pedestrians being thrown on the hood (also why there is a mandated space between hood and engine) because the OP mentioned it in his original post. But the point was that in older vehicles they were thicker and sturdier than in newer vehicles and I hear this "floppy hood" complaint a lot and was trying to shed light on why that is.

and I pointed out that "heavy, sturdy, and solidly built as an older vehicle" is false as we watched that sweet heavy 1959 impala show it wasn't sturdy, heavy or solid as people think they are :-D
 
then why claim the opposite? or support the opposite?

Because in this thread about flexing hoods, it is relevant to point out that the hoods of older vehicles tended to be thicker, heavier, and sturdier (look at the video you so kindly linked; the hood on the '59 was so inflexible it broke free from the latch rather than crumple like a tin can of the new Impala.)

What bearing it has on the safety in an impact has no bearing what so ever on this discussion besides small comment made to the OP by someone outside the forum that he had trouble believing. While pointing out that older hoods were much more rigid and inflexible (again crash safety is NOT a component of this discussion nor was it ever implied that older cars are safer, merely that components on them tended to be heavier, sturdier, and more rigid compared to newer components which some are designed to crumple) I also mentioned in passing why that outside person's comment holds weight. I also mentioned that weight reduction is a key design criteria for modern cars that have become laden with a ton of crap.

Somewhere along those ideas you clung to the idea that I was using "Heavy & Sturdy" were in some fashion directly tied to vehicle safety, which I have admitted multiple times it is not. You also seemed to think that weight reduction done during the design phase of a vehicle is somehow related to the finalized vehicle being "lighter" than older vehicles. This entire thread has been about 1 singular component flexing under driving conditions; aside from an abstract segue on how many other non-safety critical components have been lightened and designed to not be as needlessly heavy as older vehicles I have focused mainly on the above points; until you seemingly misinterpreted my text (at this point I don't know if its intentional or if you're just having a hard time stepping back from the situation to see what everyone else is agreeing on here) and decided that I was in the wrong.

I'm not in the business of shaming people, attacking people, or being an ass on this forum typically. Most every post I make is directed to providing information (sometimes more than what most people probably want to know; again blame the Asperger's for that one...) to members as they ask. I also apologize if you somehow took anything I said as a personal attack or some sort of tirade against you, I try not to come off as being angry or rude on the forum as much as possible.

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I'm far younger than that old codger [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] (couldn't resist lol) and while I'd love to say I'm an old fogey who's been through the mill more than once... I'm probably on the younger side than most members on this forum (not a fan of Posi-Trac either.)

Who has done that? Every post in this thread has supported your stated position, which is incidentally, the same as BWI's. I almost feel like I'm arguing with a spam bot

At least I am not the only one.
 
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Who has done that? Every post in this thread has supported your stated position, which is incidentally, the same as BWI's. I almost feel like I'm arguing with a spam bot

Watch it Jeremy he might think you wanted to back him into a corner :D:boink:
 
Who has done that? Every post in this thread has supported your stated position, which is incidentally, the same as BWI's. I almost feel like I'm arguing with a spam bot


Then why the hell are you guys arguing against me. It's gotta be a posse thing. You got your boys back no matter what
 
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Because in this thread about flexing hoods, it is relevant to point out that the hoods of older vehicles tended to be thicker, heavier, and sturdier (look at the video you so kindly linked; the hood on the '59 was so inflexible it broke free from the latch rather than crumple like a tin can of the new Impala.)

What bearing it has on the safety in an impact has no bearing what so ever on this discussion besides small comment made to the OP by someone outside the forum that he had trouble believing. While pointing out that older hoods were much more rigid and inflexible (again crash safety is NOT a component of this discussion nor was it ever implied that older cars are safer, merely that components on them tended to be heavier, sturdier, and more rigid compared to newer components which some are designed to crumple) I also mentioned in passing why that outside person's comment holds weight. I also mentioned that weight reduction is a key design criteria for modern cars that have become laden with a ton of crap.

Somewhere along those ideas you clung to the idea that I was using "Heavy & Sturdy" were in some fashion directly tied to vehicle safety, which I have admitted multiple times it is not. You also seemed to think that weight reduction done during the design phase of a vehicle is somehow related to the finalized vehicle being "lighter" than older vehicles. This entire thread has been about 1 singular component flexing under driving conditions; aside from an abstract segue on how many other non-safety critical components have been lightened and designed to not be as needlessly heavy as older vehicles I have focused mainly on the above points; until you seemingly misinterpreted my text (at this point I don't know if its intentional or if you're just having a hard time stepping back from the situation to see what everyone else is agreeing on here) and decided that I was in the wrong.

I'm not in the business of shaming people, attacking people, or being an ass on this forum typically. Most every post I make is directed to providing information (sometimes more than what most people probably want to know; again blame the Asperger's for that one...) to members as they ask. I also apologize if you somehow took anything I said as a personal attack or some sort of tirade against you, I try not to come off as being angry or rude on the forum as much as possible.

Post Note-

I'm far younger than that old codger [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] (couldn't resist lol) and while I'd love to say I'm an old fogey who's been through the mill more than once... I'm probably on the younger side than most members on this forum (not a fan of Posi-Trac either.)



At least I am not the only one.


Then why did you go on and talk about how heavy the bumper is blah blah. Out were just adding to it
Weren't you the one that said older cars are heavier? So.... And you said the car is sturdier so.... Implying something other than the hood is thicker. Holy shit you guys are dense.
 
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Then why the hell are you guys arguing against me. It's gotta be a posse thing. You got your boys back no matter what
Who's arguing against you?

I'll back BWI as far as my personal experience goes, right until it conflicts with my own experience.
 

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