2016 4Runner getting recalled for Takata airbags...

Think for a minute man. Toyota is not calling the shots. NHTSA (our government) is with regards to the recall. I'm sure Toyota would rather get twenty million airbags shipped to their dealer, have them install them in a few months and move on. Unfortunately common sense and logic say Takata cannot build them that fast, dealers cannot install them that fast, and then there's this little issue of many other manufacturers who need new airbags too. This is a big AUTOMOTIVE issue, not just a TOYOTA issue.
Don't exactly agree. Toyota could replace the defective aribags and keep current owners who are currently under recall safe if they wanted to. It would be a temporary fix... but it might save a life.... who knows though.

They are putting bags that are currently good (at least for a few years) in new trucks... So we know they have a supply. They are prioritizing new sales over existing customers who are in the danger zone according to the NHTSA...

The news about not providing a rental is the strange part. Sounds like dealers and Toyota corporate are not on the same page at all. I thought they were providing rentals for those who requested them and refused to put passengers at risk. I agree the risk is low and the actual exposure metrics are loose at best.
 
Toyota has the option to use other airbag manufacturers. They just want Takata to pay for for the correction, and we are the ones that take the risk.

We actually test drove a 16 GX 460, and then found out they had the same damn airbag problem, and the early 17s GX did too. Scratched that off our list and ended up getting a LC 200 instead.

We are seriously considering upgrading to a 17 4R. I know the risk is small, but from my standpoint, if something did happen to my wife (or material shot to the back seat and injured one of my kids) I know I would always blame myself as I knew of the potential risk. I purposefully buy larger vehicles for safety for the same reason. A Corolla is a lot cheaper, but won't want to take a 5-6k pound SUV on.

Truly, I just expected more from Toyota. I understand the restraint due to capacity of replacements, but once I actually got to the airbag recall stage, I figured I'd get a rental at least, similar to what other members have reported, with a fix in sight. Instead I get crapped on and told there is no ETA when my recalled car will be fixed.

To have Toyota tell me that my airbag is still safe, even though my 4R is recalled is ridiculous, especially because Toyota refuses to tell me that in writing. I just feel like they want to limit their rental cost. After the ****ing shitload of Toyota vehicles I have purchased, I would expect better. The sad thing is I'm still considering buying another Toyota as I just don't like the other options out there

Don't exactly agree. Toyota could replace the defective aribags and keep current owners who are currently under recall safe if they wanted to. It would be a temporary fix... but it might save a life.... who knows though.

They are putting bags that are currently good (at least for a few years) in new trucks... So we know they have a supply. They are prioritizing new sales over existing customers who are in the danger zone according to the NHTSA...

The news about not providing a rental is the strange part. Sounds like dealers and Toyota corporate are not on the same page at all. I thought they were providing rentals for those who requested them and refused to put passengers at risk. I agree the risk is low and the actual exposure metrics are loose at best.

Read this post http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...ng-recalled-takata-airbags-8.html#post2563305 and the links included. Good information.

I am not defending any manufacturer but I know the logistics around something like this are incredibly complex. Frankly I'm surprised it is running as smooth as it is.

61 MILLION airbags and 19 different vehicle manufacturers. Wow.
 
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"Unfortunately common sense and logic say Takata cannot build them that fast"

Get them somewhere else. Or go into the airbag business, but take care of your customers. Toyota is pretty much saying, "Not our problem, we got your money, so you take your chances."

I thought about it. Toyota got our money, now they don't care enough to go out of their way to fix vehicles that say "TOYOTA" on them.

They sure didn't care enough to put a window sticker on my truck that said, "This truck contains a defective passenger side airbag." Sure blame it on some government agency because they let Toyota and others get away with it. My truck was built less than 6 months ago.

Sheesh.

John
 
"Takata Corporation is an automotive parts company based in Japan. The company has production facilities on four continents, with its European headquarters located in Germany, where it also has nine production facilities. Wikipedia"

Fixing their screwups must be way down on their list of things to do. Looks like they have a LOT of production capacity. Of course, they have our money already. Somebody needs to hold their feet to the fire. ;)

John
 
"Unfortunately common sense and logic say Takata cannot build them that fast"

Get them somewhere else. Or go into the airbag business, but take care of your customers. Toyota is pretty much saying, "Not our problem, we got your money, so you take your chances."

I thought about it. Toyota got our money, now they don't care enough to go out of their way to fix vehicles that say "TOYOTA" on them.

They sure didn't care enough to put a window sticker on my truck that said, "This truck contains a defective passenger side airbag." Sure blame it on some government agency because they let Toyota and others get away with it. My truck was built less than 6 months ago.

Sheesh.

John
Latest news and should address your questions. I'll bold portions of it to help you:

UPDATE 12/29/2016, 5:30 p.m.: So far, about 12.5 million suspect Takata inflators have been fixed of the roughly 65 million inflators (in 42 million vehicles) that will ultimately be affected by this recall, which spans 19 automakers. Carmakers and federal officials organizing the response to this huge recall insist that the supply chain is churning out replacement parts, most of which are coming from companies other than Takata. For those who are waiting, NHTSA advises that people not disable the airbags; the exceptions are the 2001–2003 Honda and Acura models that we listed on this page on June 30, 2016—vehicles which NHTSA is telling people to drive only to a dealer to get fixed.

Meanwhile, a settlement stemming from a federal probe into criminal wrongdoing by Takata is expected early next year—perhaps as soon as January—and could approach $1 billion.

UPDATE 1/11/2017, 1:00 p.m.: Honda added 772,000 more cars in a new round of recalls for non-desiccated front-passenger airbags. A total of 1.29 million Honda and Acura models plus 882 Gold Wing motorcycles are included; many were previously recalled for driver’s-side airbags. Besides the 2012 Gold Wing, no new models or model years are included. Honda has the most U.S. vehicles of any automaker affected by the Takata recalls, now standing at 11.4 million cars and motorcycles.

UPDATE 1/12/2017, 11:00 a.m.: Ford is recalling 654,695 cars in the U.S. and 161,174 vehicles in Canada to replace non-desiccated front-passenger airbags. No new models or model years are included, although Ford has added more of these same cars in other regions of the country that were not under previous recalls. Ford, including Mercury and Lincoln, now has recalled about 3 million cars in the U.S. The affected models in this particular regional expansion are the 2005–2009 and 2012 Mustang; 2005–2006 GT; 2006–2009 and 2012 Fusion, Lincoln Zephyr, and Lincoln MKZ; 2006–2009 Mercury Milan; and the 2007–2009 Ranger, Edge, and Lincoln MKX.

UPDATE 1/13/2017, 11:00 a.m.: As with Honda and Ford, Toyota is recalling 543,000 cars in the U.S. to replace non-desiccated front-passenger airbags. No new models or model years have been added, although Toyota has included an unknown number of cars not previously under recall. Toyota, including Lexus and Scion and not including the Toyota-built Pontiac Vibe, now has about 6 million cars in the U.S. under the Takata recalls. Affected models under this latest recall are the 2006–2009 and 2012 Lexus IS (including IS F); 2007–2009 and 2012 Yaris and Lexus ES; 2008–2009 and 2012 Scion xB; 2009 and 2012 Corolla and Matrix; and the 2012 4Runner, Sienna, Lexus IS C, Lexus GX, and Lexus LFA.

UPDATE 1/13/2017, 3:00 p.m.: The U.S. government has fined Takata Corp. $1 billion as part of the Japanese supplier’s agreement to plead guilty to one count of wire fraud; the fine is broken down as a $25 million criminal fine, $125 million for victim compensation, and $850 million for compensating automakers. Also, a federal grand jury separately charged three Takata executives on six counts each of wire fraud and conspiracy.

UPDATE 1/23/2017, 7:00 p.m.: A total of 16 brands recalled 652,541 cars in the U.S. to replace non-desiccated front-passenger airbags. Some or most of these cars may have been previously recalled to replace other Takata airbags. Replacement parts may be available as soon as March or “Q1,” depending on the automaker.

Every single manufacturer is taking care of their customer. What do you want? You have perfectly good air bags for years to come. I'm missing your point here. Are you advocating for others?
 
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Every single manufacturer is taking care of their customer. What do you want? You have perfectly good air bags for years to come. I'm missing your point here. Are you advocating for others?

Well spoken.

Sometimes I think people focus on "me" and forget that they are one "me" out of 40+ million other "me's".

Recalls happen. As perfect as the vetting/testing process is shit happens. Sometimes years after a product is introduced.

I have read people knocking Honda, Toyota and many other manufacturers about this when it is 1) a third party part and 2) a very complicated part.

Think about the logistics and man hours to replace a very complicated part in over 40 million vehicles. It's not McDonalds Drive-Thru stuff.
 
I am still convinced that after this all blows over, we'll see service intervals for airbags simply because that's how they work based on current technology for them.

The biggest issue is that people either refuse or just don't understand that the issue in most of these airbags is not current/immediate but rather a cumulative issue of humidity/desiccant degradation and thus the recall is being handled in "phases" based on which units are calculated to enter the "potentially" unstable phase first. That doesn't mean that when the airbag passes this calculated "expiration date" that it's automatically a bomb waiting to go off; but rather that the calculated life of the airbag has been reached and serious performance affecting degradation begins to occur (think milk, sometimes it expires just after the printed expiration date, other times it's good for a bit longer until it spoils; it's not an automatic thing).
 
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Seeing both sides of the coin, but not a gambling man...

While I don't disagree with any of the above points in regards to phased recall, I do wish that this was being handled in a more timely manner. While I do live in the greater San Antonio area (and my 4Runner is garaged at home and at work), I do travel quite regularly to the Gulf Coast and the Southeast in general where humidity is high enough that I have considered installing a prop on my 4Runner (mostly kidding of course). I love my 4Runner, but I love my wife much more. If there is anything I can do to speed up the process of correcting this issue, I wish I knew about it.

Milk doesn't go bad in my house. :thumb:
 
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There are two totally different arguments going on here... For people with trucks not yet recalled.... Deal with it... Totally reasonable to have to wait because the the "experts" have said the risk is basically 0 until some future date.

For those who have trucks that are already recalled 2010-2012 in zone A, it's total BS that Toyota has no "remedy" for those. We know they do... it's just not cost effective yet. The exact same truck is still being built. I would get it if this was a 4th gen....

The real risk is probably nothing to worry about. If they would have never told us about it... I would not even care, but it makes your mind play games with you every-time you let someone sit in that seat. My truck has never sat outside much...so It's probably more like someone in another zone, but I don't want to find out if my assumption is right or wrong.

There has been no communication from Toyota to the dealers. They are all in the dark and nobody seems to know what is going on. Not a good way to handle the situation if you ask me.
 
There are two totally different arguments going on here... For people with trucks not yet recalled.... Deal with it... Totally reasonable to have to wait because the the "experts" have said the risk is basically 0 until some future date.

For those who have trucks that are already recalled 2010-2012 in zone A, it's total BS that Toyota has no "remedy" for those. We know they do... it's just not cost effective yet. The exact same truck is still being built. I would get it if this was a 4th gen....

The real risk is probably nothing to worry about. If they would have never told us about it... I would not even care, but it makes your mind play games with you every-time you let someone sit in that seat. My truck has never sat outside much...so It's probably more like someone in another zone, but I don't want to find out if my assumption is right or wrong.

There has been no communication from Toyota to the dealers. They are all in the dark and nobody seems to know what is going on. Not a good way to handle the situation if you ask me.

Agree they can take care of it. An autobody shop told me they can get me a replacement bag (new-fixed version) in 3 weeks ($1200 cost). The other thing with the phased recall, is the NHTSA is allowing it because there is really no other option because enough bags aren't available. Of course Toyota is putting good bags in the 17s. Prioritizing new sales over service for current customers.

And to be clear, this is not a situation where they are saying the non-recalled bags are safe in their current state, just more safe than the ones that have reached a later age. The recall is being prioritized. The non-recalled bags could be dangerous, and non-recalled bags have injured people.

When this recall first started, the NHTSA allowed a recall only in humid zones, and then there were a bunch of deaths and injuries in non-humid zones with bags that were considered still safe.
 
"I'll bold portions of it to help you"

Thanks, but I read it on my own shortly after it came out. Hey, if the government says it's okay I'm certain things are peachy... :)


"For people with trucks not yet recalled.... Deal with it..."

For people you don't want to hear a different opinion.... Deal with it... :juggle:
 
"I'll bold portions of it to help you"

Thanks, but I read it on my own shortly after it came out. Hey, if the government says it's okay I'm certain things are peachy... :)


"For people with trucks not yet recalled.... Deal with it..."

For people you don't want to hear a different opinion.... Deal with it... :juggle:

You know, I own a 2016 TE that was purchased in April of 2016. My dealer told me about it and I had to sign a form stating I knew about the airbag issue. Did you not have something similar?
 
You know, I own a 2016 TE that was purchased in April of 2016. My dealer told me about it and I had to sign a form stating I knew about the airbag issue. Did you not have something similar?

I knew the problem existed with the 2016s when I purchased in Oct 2016 but It was no from dealer notification during purchase. The subject never came up.
 
This is fun... picked up our new 2016 tonight that is not currently under recall. But they provided a disclosure that it may be in the future. The sales manager told me that they may end up replacing all takata air bags with another manufacturer. Not sure how much truth there is to that part though.
 
When I was at the dealer last week for an oil change I happened to mention the recall and the service adviser mentioned that not all of the 2016's are part of the recall and he said my VIN was not included.

Take it for what it's worth.

We shall see what the future holds.
 

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