2016 4Runner getting recalled for Takata airbags...

I have a 4runner that's on the recall list. I look at it two ways. Either sell the 4runner and get something else on keep the 4runner and live with it.I'm keeping the 4runner and will live with it. Let it blow I don't care. When ever my wife and I go somewhere we take her 4runner (07) so no one rides in the passerger seat of the 2011
 
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After incorrectly hearing that newer vehicles don't have to worry about Takata, I pulled a brief from a lawsuit against Takata. In this brief, which is just on of a littany of lawsuits against Takata the following injuries occured:


38. The following are the plaintiffs who are in the Personal Injury Track as of the date of the filing of this Master Amended Consolidated Complaint


Jasmine Briant


citizen of the State of Louisiana who resides in Orleans Parish, Louisiana


2012 Jeep Patriot

From same brief:
All “Defective Airbags” Contain the “Inflator Defect.” As a result of the Inflator Defect, Defective Airbags have an unreasonably dangerous tendency to: (a) rupture and expel metal shrapnel that tears through the airbag and poses a threat of serious injury or death to occupants; (b) hyper-aggressively deploy and seriously injure occupants through contact with the airbag; and (c) fail to deploy altogether.

57. As detailed in this Complaint, over the course of seven years Takata and the Vehicle Manufacturer Defendants have issued a series of partial, misleading, and ultimately ineffective recalls to address the Defective Airbags. For reference, the following table identifies the recalled vehicles by manufacturer, and which of the front airbags were included in the recall for each vehicle (driver or passenger):

More:

On November 1, 2003, Charlene Weaver of Arizona--one of the least humid states in the country--was a passenger in a 2004 Subaru Impreza when she was killed in a Takata airbag-related accident. As summarized in a later section of this Complaint, her car was not recalled until May 2014, more than a decade later. A ONE YEAR OLD AIRBAG AT THE TIME OF INJURY


91. Also, in 2003, an inflator ruptured in a BMW in Switzerland, prompting a January 2004 investigation by Takata and BMW. That investigation took place at a Takata facility in Michigan, and involved an inflator sold to BMW, Honda, and Toyota. The testing was ordered by a senior Takata executive, and the results indicated improper welding and incorrect installation of chemical propellant wafers. A ONE YEAR OLD AIRBAG AT THE TIME OF INJURY


92. In 2004, a Takata airbag violently exploded in a Honda Accord in Alabama, shooting out metal fragments and injuring the car's driver. Honda was notified of the incident, and at least one Takata employee recalls being told that Honda examined the part before turning it over to Takata. Takata reported back to Honda that it was unable to find a cause for the incident. Ultimately, the companies deemed the incident “an anomaly,” and conducted no further investigation or analysis to the public's knowledge. Notably, Honda and Takata did not issue a recall or even involve federal safety regulators beyond completing a reporting form in a cursory and incomplete manner.

98. In June and August of 2007, Honda notified Takata of three additional airbag explosion incidents. All three accidents involved metal fragments propelling into the faces and bodies of car passengers upon deployment of the airbags. As with the 2004 incident, Honda did not initiate a recall or provide information about the ruptures to federal investigators. Rather, it callously risked vehicle occupants' safety as it purportedly awaited a failure mode analysis being conducted by Takata.

133. In the meantime, Honda and Takata quietly continued their internal investigation into the Inflator Defect. According to Honda, an exploding airbag in Puerto Rico in October 2011 prompted Honda to ask permission from NHTSA to collect “healthy” airbag modules to see if “abnormal combustion was possible.” The collection began on March 14, 2012, and by November 21, 2012, Honda in fact found that even its so-called “healthy” airbags could abnormally combust in certain conditions.

On October 12, 2013, Brandi Owens of Forsyth County, Georgia was injured in a low-speed accident when the driver-side Takata airbag of her 2013 Chevy Cruze exploded and detached from the steering wheel. According to a lawsuit, metal from the airbag hit Owens in the face and left her blind in one eye.

c. On March 14, 2014, Susan Cosgrove of Fremont, California was injured in a low-speed accident while driving a 2013 Chevy Cruze. The Takata-related recall notice on her car arrived at her residence after the incident.


On December 4, 2013, Jasmine Briant was operating a 2012 Jeep Patriot 4x>4 owned by Gregory and Anita Briant, and traveling westbound on Interstate 10 near the Crowder Boulevard exit in New Orleans, Louisiana, when she was involved in a collision. The collision occurred when a “John Doe” defendant, operating his/her white Ford 250 vehicle, suddenly veered into the left lane, cutting in front of and/or hitting Ms. Briant's vehicle causing her to swerve into the shoulder striking the concrete barrier and injuring Ms. Briant.


189. During the incident, the vehicle's driver-side airbag inflator exploded and caused the airbag to deploy with excessive force and at an excessive rate of speed, striking Ms. Briant, resulting in serious injuries, including blindness in her left eye.

As you can see, Honda has had to admit that these "healthy", not yet recalled bags are still dangerous. These bags have caused injury within one year of being new, and injuries are occurring in late model-non-recalled vehicles too.

So while the majority of deaths/injuries occurred in older model Hondas, the risk is still there, and everyone should be aware of it.

Again, this is just one brief of many, but it shows that late model bags (and even driver side takata bags, which have yet to be recalled) are causing the same problem.
 
After incorrectly hearing that newer vehicles don't have to worry about Takata, I pulled a brief from a lawsuit against Takata. In this brief, which is just on of a littany of lawsuits against Takata the following injuries occured:


38. The following are the plaintiffs who are in the Personal Injury Track as of the date of the filing of this Master Amended Consolidated Complaint


Jasmine Briant


citizen of the State of Louisiana who resides in Orleans Parish, Louisiana


2012 Jeep Patriot

From same brief:
All “Defective Airbags” Contain the “Inflator Defect.” As a result of the Inflator Defect, Defective Airbags have an unreasonably dangerous tendency to: (a) rupture and expel metal shrapnel that tears through the airbag and poses a threat of serious injury or death to occupants; (b) hyper-aggressively deploy and seriously injure occupants through contact with the airbag; and (c) fail to deploy altogether.

57. As detailed in this Complaint, over the course of seven years Takata and the Vehicle Manufacturer Defendants have issued a series of partial, misleading, and ultimately ineffective recalls to address the Defective Airbags. For reference, the following table identifies the recalled vehicles by manufacturer, and which of the front airbags were included in the recall for each vehicle (driver or passenger):

More:

On November 1, 2003, Charlene Weaver of Arizona--one of the least humid states in the country--was a passenger in a 2004 Subaru Impreza when she was killed in a Takata airbag-related accident. As summarized in a later section of this Complaint, her car was not recalled until May 2014, more than a decade later. A ONE YEAR OLD AIRBAG AT THE TIME OF INJURY


91. Also, in 2003, an inflator ruptured in a BMW in Switzerland, prompting a January 2004 investigation by Takata and BMW. That investigation took place at a Takata facility in Michigan, and involved an inflator sold to BMW, Honda, and Toyota. The testing was ordered by a senior Takata executive, and the results indicated improper welding and incorrect installation of chemical propellant wafers. A ONE YEAR OLD AIRBAG AT THE TIME OF INJURY


92. In 2004, a Takata airbag violently exploded in a Honda Accord in Alabama, shooting out metal fragments and injuring the car's driver. Honda was notified of the incident, and at least one Takata employee recalls being told that Honda examined the part before turning it over to Takata. Takata reported back to Honda that it was unable to find a cause for the incident. Ultimately, the companies deemed the incident “an anomaly,” and conducted no further investigation or analysis to the public's knowledge. Notably, Honda and Takata did not issue a recall or even involve federal safety regulators beyond completing a reporting form in a cursory and incomplete manner.

98. In June and August of 2007, Honda notified Takata of three additional airbag explosion incidents. All three accidents involved metal fragments propelling into the faces and bodies of car passengers upon deployment of the airbags. As with the 2004 incident, Honda did not initiate a recall or provide information about the ruptures to federal investigators. Rather, it callously risked vehicle occupants' safety as it purportedly awaited a failure mode analysis being conducted by Takata.

133. In the meantime, Honda and Takata quietly continued their internal investigation into the Inflator Defect. According to Honda, an exploding airbag in Puerto Rico in October 2011 prompted Honda to ask permission from NHTSA to collect “healthy” airbag modules to see if “abnormal combustion was possible.” The collection began on March 14, 2012, and by November 21, 2012, Honda in fact found that even its so-called “healthy” airbags could abnormally combust in certain conditions.

On October 12, 2013, Brandi Owens of Forsyth County, Georgia was injured in a low-speed accident when the driver-side Takata airbag of her 2013 Chevy Cruze exploded and detached from the steering wheel. According to a lawsuit, metal from the airbag hit Owens in the face and left her blind in one eye.

c. On March 14, 2014, Susan Cosgrove of Fremont, California was injured in a low-speed accident while driving a 2013 Chevy Cruze. The Takata-related recall notice on her car arrived at her residence after the incident.


On December 4, 2013, Jasmine Briant was operating a 2012 Jeep Patriot 4x>4 owned by Gregory and Anita Briant, and traveling westbound on Interstate 10 near the Crowder Boulevard exit in New Orleans, Louisiana, when she was involved in a collision. The collision occurred when a “John Doe” defendant, operating his/her white Ford 250 vehicle, suddenly veered into the left lane, cutting in front of and/or hitting Ms. Briant's vehicle causing her to swerve into the shoulder striking the concrete barrier and injuring Ms. Briant.


189. During the incident, the vehicle's driver-side airbag inflator exploded and caused the airbag to deploy with excessive force and at an excessive rate of speed, striking Ms. Briant, resulting in serious injuries, including blindness in her left eye.

As you can see, Honda has had to admit that these "healthy", not yet recalled bags are still dangerous. These bags have caused injury within one year of being new, and injuries are occurring in late model-non-recalled vehicles too.

So while the majority of deaths/injuries occurred in older model Hondas, the risk is still there, and everyone should be aware of it.

Again, this is just one brief of many, but it shows that late model bags (and even driver side takata bags, which have yet to be recalled) are causing the same problem.

Have you parked your 4Runner and not allowing anyone to move it? Simple question.
 
Have you parked your 4Runner and not allowing anyone to move it? Simple question.

Simple question, complex answer. We have NOT used the front passenger seat after we became aware of the recall. Without a passenger in the front seat, the airbag is disabled, and as stated below we are getting rid of it.

We have tried to get a rental from Toyota (as the recall says they are available-and other t4r members have received). It would have sat unmoved at the dealership if that was approved.

We are in the process of trading the 2012 for a 2017 which does not have the faulty bags. Just waiting for the title from our lienholder (just paid it off 10 days ago). Luckily we were able to find a dealer that will do $1500 under invoice on a 17 Limited, and give us $29k for the 12, which is close to high trade in. Sucks that I can't safely use the front seat in my $40k vehicle. And we would not have planned to trade up but for the airbag. This is the first time we are actually trading in a vehicle, as I don't want to sell this to someone without disclosing the issue, and I think it would be a tough sale, so we will lose a couple $k there, oh well.

I understand that the risk is low, but we would really like two cars we can fit the whole family in. Constantly playing musical cars with the wife, is getting old. I tend to drive her 4R as she transports the kids more often than me. And while the risk is low, if we did use the seat, and in the event of an accident it did explode, I'd have a hard time coming to grips that I knew of the potential issue and ignored it. So while, as I have stated, life is full of risks, this is one I don't need to live with.

The whole point of my thread that you merged into this one, wasn't about the recall itself, it was to point out that corporate Toyota told me that even though the car is recalled, and the recall says not to use the front passenger seat, that the front passenger is safe and I was free to use it, and am therefore not eligible for a rental (seriously, wtf). Although as stated, they refused to give this assurance to me in writing. Strange since others have received rentals for the same issue. Not sure what has changed from Toyota's POV, and they couldn't or wouldn't tell me why they now believe the airbags are safe (at least until May of 2018, which would be six years after purchase). I've never heard of a company stating it is safe to use a dangerous, recalled product until now.


My other T4R before I sold it and now my 200 series Land Cruiser (wife drives the 2012 T4R) has been doing double duty for family trips, and as stated, I tend to drive the 4R more often.
 
since you are on Mars a very dry area I would not worry about the air bags. the issue is these will corrode in a humid environment , then they may create metal corroded particles to get into the bag debris and slit your throat.


good to hear 2017 models will be with other air bags perhaps safer perhaps not.
 
since you are on Mars a very dry area I would not worry about the air bags. the issue is these will corrode in a humid environment , then they may create metal corroded particles to get into the bag debris and slit your throat.


good to hear 2017 models will be with other air bags perhaps safer perhaps not.

Humidity and time appears to be the main issue. But see my post above. Shrapnel events in bags that were right around a year old.
 
Humidity and time appears to be the main issue. But see my post above. Shrapnel events in bags that were right around a year old.

the data I have seen ,since I was purchasing a 2016 with the defective bags most all were from the humid regions of the world. I believe the bag company has made millions of these and the % of injury is very low... still though not good to think , you may luck out.. my 2016 will be required to have these replaced . I hope that this is done properly perhaps not.
 
the data I have seen ,since I was purchasing a 2016 with the defective bags most all were from the humid regions of the world. I believe the bag company has made millions of these and the % of injury is very low... still though not good to think , you may luck out.. my 2016 will be required to have these replaced . I hope that this is done properly perhaps not.

Agree that age and humidity are the main culprits, but other articles I have previously linked show that Takata has had major quality control problems. Bad welds, chewing gum inside the airbags, and on and on. None of the deaths are related to newer vehicles to date, but there have been over 150 injuries, and none of the news sites give any data about what year make and model those injuries have occurred in. The data from one of the lawsuits shows that indeed newer cars (that humidity shouldn't have caused any problems yet based on what the news is reporting) are indeed rupturing. Now that my car is officially in the recall, I am not willing to take the risk.

When it comes to risk tolerance, to each his own, but I think it makes sense to give other t4r owners enough data to show that even the not-yet-recalled airbags have indeed ruptured, and let people decide for themselves.
 
Agree that age and humidity are the main culprits, but other articles I have previously linked show that Takata has had major quality control problems. Bad welds, chewing gum inside the airbags, and on and on. None of the deaths are related to newer vehicles to date, but there have been over 150 injuries, and none of the news sites give any data about what year make and model those injuries have occurred in. The data from one of the lawsuits shows that indeed newer cars (that humidity shouldn't have caused any problems yet based on what the news is reporting) are indeed rupturing. Now that my car is officially in the recall, I am not willing to take the risk.

When it comes to risk tolerance, to each his own, but I think it makes sense to give other t4r owners enough data to show that even the not-yet-recalled airbags have indeed ruptured, and let people decide for themselves.

hopefully the new replacements will be better. we shall see.
 
hopefully the new replacements will be better. we shall see.

Some of the replacements will still be bad bags. So some of us will have to deal with a second replacement.

To clarify, due to a shortage in fully complaint bags, new bags, still subject to recall, are being put in many vehicles as a fix, and will have to be replaced again.
 
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Can you just pull/disco the airbag?

I removed them from my Land Cruiser after deploying them during an off road misadventure.
 
IIHS? DOT? NHTSA? Takata? Toyota? Buddha? Deep Thought? 42?

IF (and that is a super big hypothically speaking "IF") I were to trade my beloved 4Runner for another vehicle; how would I know that vehicle has "safe" (read: not part of the Takata recall) airbags that wouldn't kill or maim my family in the event of a collision?

Takata is a huge company that makes airbags for almost all automotive manufacturers...

Where is the website/resource/agency/wise-man/oracle that tells me what is safe and what is not?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Every once in a while I use Google and answer my own questions...

https://www.nhtsa.gov/recall-spotlight/takata-air-bags

Internet noob... :flame:

...although I wouldn't call this an end-all-be-all kind of list. This is just what is "currently" being recalled. It doesn't tell you exactly what I was asking.

From what I understand, that list is supposed to cover all of the bags Takata supplied that were supposed to be faulty, but I agree, there is no guarantee that list won't be expanded. I would guess if there is an expansion for this issue, it will be additional 2016 and prior models.

Many manufacturers are going away from Takata completely. Based on my research, I am fairly confident that the 2017 4Runner has different brand bags.

We were actually looking at the 2017 GX 460, but the early 2017's have the faulty airbag, and the later 2017's do not. But we couldn't find a good way to quantify. We ran the VINs from many new 2017's on the Toy/Lex recall page, and none of them show they were subject to recall, but I don't think my 2012 showed up on that page until it was actually recalled. Pretty frustrating that there isn't better consumer information.

It is also frustrating that while we know the year, make and model of most of the ruptures that caused a death, little information has been provided to the 120+ injuries caused by this issue, and outside of legal briefs (snippet from one above) , which require a subscription to a legal database (I pulled from Westlaw), the public is not being provided this information. Just because the "fix" isn't available, there should be a better process to inform consumers.
 

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I looked on Toyota Canada website and by entering my VIN, they doesn't advise of any recall ... I tought the canadian T4R was the same as american.
 

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