3rd Gen 4Runner Buyer's Guide

It's priced like a gem but it's not. Rough country lift (thumbs down) and $9k? Idk about all that. Maybe $6-$7k max. Although the 5 speeds are becoming harder to come across, there just isn't that "need" for them so bad they need to try to charge extra for it. Locker > manual ANY day of the week. Except Sunday. I don't drive much on Sunday.


- Very valid points and not going to lie it made me chuckle. just got excited because imo the 99-00 limited tcase is one of the best offered with the 3rd gens and with that and a 5 speed i just glanced over everything else. Would be nice to see it done right


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It's priced like a gem but it's not. Rough country lift (thumbs down) and $9k? Idk about all that. Maybe $6-$7k max. Although the 5 speeds are becoming harder to come across, there just isn't that "need" for them so bad they need to try to charge extra for it. Locker > manual ANY day of the week. Except Sunday. I don't drive much on Sunday.


- Very valid points and not going to lie it made me chuckle. just got excited because imo the 99-00 limited tcase is one of the best offered with the 3rd gens and with that and a 5 speed i just glanced over everything else. Would be nice to see it done right


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Yeah I mean I can appreciate what has been done but it just doesn't warrant that money. The front bumper sits as low as a stock one and doesn't have hoops so it's not much above the stock 96-98 bumpers. May be worth a visit but if he starts trying to go over the cost of everything including the air in his lungs then he ain't budging and the cost is just too much. His unfortunate dilemma is he's just in it too deep with motor swap and maintenance costs


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Yeah I mean I can appreciate what has been done but it just doesn't warrant that money. The front bumper sits as low as a stock one and doesn't have hoops so it's not much above the stock 96-98 bumpers. May be worth a visit but if he starts trying to go over the cost of everything including the air in his lungs then he ain't budging and the cost is just too much. His unfortunate dilemma is he's just in it too deep with motor swap and maintenance costs


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I also just noticed it was posted 27 days ago which further validates your points.... i wish i looked a little harder at the post and didnt get to excited now


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I also just noticed it was posted 27 days ago which further validates your points.... i wish i looked a little harder at the post and didnt get to excited now


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Lol. No reason to lose excitement. Go see it but just don't be so struck that you spend way too much for it..


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Thank you! Would you buy this truck

I'm in the market for a 3rd gen and this write up has been extremely helpful in my search for a solid truck!

The issue I'm having is that most of the trucks up in my area (Toronto) are rusty. I found one truck with roughly 170k miles on it, one owner, extensive service history and he also provided pics of the under carriage. For a 2000 I dont expect it to be mint and truthfully I'm not sure how much rust is ok.

Based on the maintenace history and pictures would you buy this truck for 5000 CAD = 3800 USD?

This is what I had asked based on this write up

Radiator replacement – SOME TIME IN 2010
Lower ball joints replacement – NOT NEEDED – SEE NEW REAR WHEEL BEARINGS AND SEALS (ABOVE)
Timing belt\water pump – TIMING BELT JULY 2014; NEW WATER PUMP NOT NEEDED
Transmission fluid – JULY 2016
Differential fluids and engine coolant DIFF FLUIDS OCT 2015; ENGINE COOLANT SOME TIME IN 2010
Spark plugs and wires – PLUGS NOV 2015; NEW PLUG WIRES NOT NEEDED
Engine oil - EVERY 8OOO KM A FULL INSPECTION & SERVICE WITH OIL CHANGE – LAST ONE JUNE 2016

He added additional service history items...

NEW EXHAUST – OCT 2016
NEW BATTERY & IGNITION WIRES & MAIN FUSE– JAN 2016
NEW GAS TANK – DEC 2015
NEW REAR BRAKES – NOV 2015
NEW REAR WHEEL BEARINGS AND SEALS – NOV 2015
NEW IGNITION CYLINDER – APR 2015
NEW FRONT BRAKES – JULY 2014
NEW FUEL FILTER – SEPT 2014
NEW REAR SHOCKS – DEC 2013

Thanks!
 

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Does anyone have the body style difference photos? I mean I sort of know the differences, but it's easiest to see them side by side in photos and it's surpisingly hard to find on google.
 
I think Third Gens essentially only had 2 "phases". Snub Nose ('96-'98) and Bubba Gump ('99-'02).

I'm by no means an expert though.

Wiki says this:
1997 models received a few minor updates, including the addition of a color keyed cargo cover.

1998 remained largely unchanged, save for a few changes in the electronics. More ergonomic switch control panels and a newly designed 4 spoke steering wheel, which also necessitated a redesign of the air bag system.

1999 models received both major cosmetic and interior enhancements. A new "fat lip" bumper was designed to allow for an extended crush zone on the front of the frame, as well as new multi-parabola style headlights, projector style fog lamps, and updated side marker lights and front turn signals. Vehicles with "Limited" and "Highlander" (later called "Sport Edition") trim received color-keyed running boards, front and rear bumpers, mud flaps and flares. The ergonomics of the interior was completely changed, moving all the controls to the center of the dash for the rear window, and defrost. The Limited trucks also received a brand-new electronic temp control, and upgraded stereo. The multimatic transmission became available as an option for 4WD 4Runners in 1999, giving the option of AWD operation.

2001 models received new transparent tail lights and new front grille design. The wheels were also changed to a five-spoke design rim. Limited models received newly designed five spoke wheels as well, however different from SR5 and base model. Also included was a new, sleeker side view mirror design. SR5 and base model 4Runners also have redesigned climate control units utilizing 3 knobs and 2 buttons, contrary to the 1999 model's 2 sliders and 2 knobs. 2001 models were equipped with Vehicle Stability Control standard, and 4WD models came standard with the multimatic transmission. The optional e-locker for the rear differential was dropped in 2001.
 
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I'm in the market for a 3rd gen and this write up has been extremely helpful in my search for a solid truck!



The issue I'm having is that most of the trucks up in my area (Toronto) are rusty. I found one truck with roughly 170k miles on it, one owner, extensive service history and he also provided pics of the under carriage. For a 2000 I dont expect it to be mint and truthfully I'm not sure how much rust is ok.



Based on the maintenace history and pictures would you buy this truck for 5000 CAD = 3800 USD?



This is what I had asked based on this write up



Radiator replacement – SOME TIME IN 2010

Lower ball joints replacement – NOT NEEDED – SEE NEW REAR WHEEL BEARINGS AND SEALS (ABOVE)

Timing belt\water pump – TIMING BELT JULY 2014; NEW WATER PUMP NOT NEEDED

Transmission fluid – JULY 2016

Differential fluids and engine coolant DIFF FLUIDS OCT 2015; ENGINE COOLANT SOME TIME IN 2010

Spark plugs and wires – PLUGS NOV 2015; NEW PLUG WIRES NOT NEEDED

Engine oil - EVERY 8OOO KM A FULL INSPECTION & SERVICE WITH OIL CHANGE – LAST ONE JUNE 2016



He added additional service history items...



NEW EXHAUST – OCT 2016

NEW BATTERY & IGNITION WIRES & MAIN FUSE– JAN 2016

NEW GAS TANK – DEC 2015

NEW REAR BRAKES – NOV 2015

NEW REAR WHEEL BEARINGS AND SEALS – NOV 2015

NEW IGNITION CYLINDER – APR 2015

NEW FRONT BRAKES – JULY 2014

NEW FUEL FILTER – SEPT 2014

NEW REAR SHOCKS – DEC 2013



Thanks!



If it's certified and e-tested for that price, it's not out to lunch.. ALTHOUGH, I would still try to negotiate that down a bit.



I bought my '97 with 176K miles on it and it came with a 3" lift/tokico trekmaster shocks, 285/75R16 tires (and matching spare), 1" hubcentric wheel spacers, Front frame mounted D-Rings, new front pads and rotors. Certified and e-tested. $4,500CAD. My rig also spent the first 8 years of its life in Alberta, so the undercarriage was a lot less rusty than in your pics. Although the rockers, rear quarters (especially driver's side), and windshield frame area are pretty bad on mine.



The copious amounts of oil gunk around the steering rack would worry me a bit. Take a look at how badly the valve covers might be leaking (and hopefully it's not a rear main seal). And whoever lubed the driveshaft really pumped the hell out of the grease gun, lol.



I dunno... I would also ask for way better pics of the rear portion of the frame, especially around the rear LCA mounts. The spot between the frame and gas tank is especially hard to inspect, but also one of the first places to rot through.

Here's what my steering rack area looks like:
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Parts of the frame:
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I always cringe when I see pictures of rust on people's frames. I don't know which areas are a no go for rust, but I do know that some of them are more important to look out for than others.

Good luck
 
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Thanks for the replies, fortunately or unfortunately for me the truck sold this morning once he got it certified. I think I need to start looking state side. Anything older than 15 years makes the process easier to import so I'm told.

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Im looking at a 2000 4runner limited 4wd with the rear locker. It has 235k miles and serviced every 5k miles. Im waiting on VIN to prove service records but they did say the spark plugs and wires were replaced 30k miles ago but as far as they know it has original everything else. The interior and exterior look mint and appear to be well taken care of. They are asking $5k. based on that minimal info is it worth pursuing or not with a 10ft stick?
 
Seems like a good package

Check for rust, thoroughly (I was superfical here and missed some obvious stuff)

check all rubber components. None are deal-breakers, but they all start to wear out at this age, and they can add up.

Otherwise look for normal culprits.
 
So they sent a pic of where the locker button should beand there appears to be a button but nothing on it. So how do I know for sure it has the rear locker? They said it came with the rear locker.
 

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WHAT TO LOOK FOR SUMMARY: Want to know more about these? Read the thread.

The OP is welcome to add/modify the following to add to the number 2 post of this thread.

CLUTCH PEDAL SQUEAK/FRICTION:
Replacing or retrofitting the clutch-pedal return spring mechanism, which is a well known problem area in 4Runners, Tacomas, and Tundras.

Red flags:
  1. Squeaking
  2. Sticking
  3. Cruise Control not working

While the three OEM hard-plastic fragile clutch-pedal return torsion spring Q-P-Q bushings last a few years, it is extremely common for the P bushing to be destroyed without the owner being aware of the fact, other than, perhaps, an internal cabin squeak upon pressing the clutch pedal. Often the white hard-plastic fragile Q bushings subsequently fail, causing the torsion spring to stick, resulting in a "stuck pedal". Even without the stuck pedal symptoms, the squeaks indicate metal-on-metal contact, which will destroy the clutch pedal P mounting tab due to the inexorable grinding of metal on metal at the missing P bushing site, eventually resulting in friction that prevents the clutch pedal from rising to its full height (sometimes impacting the operation of the cruise-control switch).

Fixes/ How to avoid:
One $150 replacement strategy is to replace the $100 clutch pedal (because of the P-bushing area wear will destroy any new P bushing!), the $25 torsion spring, and the $25 Q-P-Q bushings with new but still fragile plastic OEM material. The three issues with this strategy are:
  1. It's more work than some of the other strategies
  2. It costs more money than all the other strategies
  3. You still end up with a lousy set of hard brittle plastic bushings

Another replacement strategy is to machine brass or nylon bushings out of commonly available hardware store parts (nylon material working best in the P-bushing site because it forms to the eaten-away metal). Sometimes both the worn clutch pedal and the eroded double-coil torsion spring can be re-used but both will be worn and will eventually cause a problem depending on the amount of wear.

A third replacement strategy, which is the cheapest and easiest of all, and which many people do, is to pry out the old double-coil torsion spring, and to replace it with an approximately 5-1/2 inch long 3-inch long arm, 1 inch short arm, and 1-1/2 inch dime-sized coil extension (tension) spring. Amazingly, both the top tab and bottom spring holder already exist, unused, but seemingly just waiting for this mod, handed to us as a gift from Toyota engineers. Many factory clutch-pedal-return and brake-pedal-return springs have been tried but most touch at two points, hence the specific sizes above:
  1. Too short an arm allows the pedal P-tab to contact the coils
  2. Too fat the coils allows the coils to contact the pedal bracket

A fourth replacement strategy, which, surprisingly, does work, especially if cruise control isn't important to you, is to simply pry out the old torsion spring, and simply replace it with absolutely nothing. Amazingly, 99% of the clutch pedal return force is caused by the pressure plate acting backward on the slave and master cylinder hydraulics. The top-most last quarter inch of pedal travel may feel a little floppy, and the cruise control contact may be flaky, but it can be adjusted to compensate.
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FRONT SWAYBAR BUSHING SIZES:
Buying the proper sized front swaybar buna-to-polyurethane bushing kits:

While the front swaybar and endlink OEM buna rubber bushings last quite some time, aftermarket polyurethane bushings from the likes of Prothane, Energy Suspension, Daystar, etc., are often a favorite due to the stiffer, supposedly more durable polyurethane material.

However, for many years, the Prothane & Energy Suspension kits have had the wrong sizes (Daystar was always correct), due to confusion the two manufacturers had over the diameter of the swaybar and endlinks. The recommendation, for years, was to buy multiple kits, and to mix and match the properly sized fittings, but a less wasteful method is to simply purchase the correct kit, which we were able to get the manufacturers to supply.

Red flags:
You purchase a kit whose bushings don't fit snugly on the end links or, whose bushing fits too snugly on the swaybar.

Fixes/ How to avoid:
While the record shows that very many people "force fit" the wrong sized bushings, the simplest and most economical and best method is to simply purchase the kits recommended in the mtbtim and foo threads linked to above.
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Looking to buy a 3rd get within the next few months. This came up on my radar.


https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/ctd/5860164775.html


Price seems a little high. Think talking them down would work?

Looks like it has the rear diff lock button, not a bad price. I found a nice one in my area, 99 limited with rear diff lock 97k miles and they are asking 9700 for it and will not budge on the price. I hope that will help give you an idea of what people are asking.
 

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