4th Gen Suspension Options/FAQ

[massacre901]

Hey everyone - I'm new to the forum and kind of stuck on tire sizes for some Eneki WT4 rims I just picked up...specs are 20" x 8.5" with a 15 offset. I have a 2007 2wd SR5 and the recommended tire size is 265/50/20 for this rim. Is a 1" daystar lift enough to step up to a 285/50/20? I searched and found a couple of posts about this tire size but not with this specific rim, lift and offset combo. I'm ready to buy so any help would be appreciated!

 

[ronman737]

Subbed. Great stuff here!

 

[womyncan2]

Wow...this is tall...

So I had my build done on Saturday....Bilstein 5100s all around & front set at .85, OME 884s on front, Toytec 2.0 on rear. I have some wore out 265/65/17s now but trying to decide what size tire to go with. I have a 2005 SR5 V6 2WD. This lift has seriously lifted my vehicle....it's 16" from bottom of sidestep to the ground. I was thinking about just going taller with a Toyo A/T 265/70/17 then I won't have any rubbing....looking for some opinions please....please don't judge my dirty beast...

 

[Z man]

post lift alignment numbers question

I just did the bilstein 5100 fj coil swap for an 05 v6 4wd. I set the fronts at 1.75 and threw in a 1.5 inch spacer in the rear. I ended up at 2.25 inches in the front and 1.75 inches in the rear. I had a local shop do an alignment afterwards and here is where they ended up:

Left front
camber .5 factory range -.9 to .6
caster 1.9 factory range 2.5 to 4
toe .05 factory range -.04 to .13

Right front
camber .7 factory range -.9 to .6
caster 2.2 factory range 2.5 to 4
toe .04 factory range -.04 to .32

So the toe and camber look goog but caster is off. They said they could adjust the caster more but it woukd throw off the camber. Are these numbers reasonable? should i be concerned? Any imput is much appreciated.

 

[ZACH04]

Suspension tire questions

I have a 04 4Runner sr5 with a ome 2.5 lift would 285/70-17 fit or will I need to do some cutting to mak fit?

 

[Smokedspoon]

I have an 03' Limited V8 and want to put 5100's at 1.75 and thinking 883 OME springs. I do NOT want to replace UCA's but am anal about having my 4runner aligned correctly as well as add real off road performance without stressing other components. Is this possible? (even without replacing UCA's?)
If so, what is the best spring combo with 5100's set at 1.75?

I am riding 265/60/18 with no intention to change. (maybe up to 265/70/18 someday) Also have 3/16" steel weld on sliders-- I'm hoping this combo on my v8 limited will add roughly 1.5 inches of lift. I would prefer the car to be level (if not close)



Any and all insightful comments welcome

 

[Davy180]

Tucktuck,

I just purchased that exact setup. Suspension delivery expected Saturday. Tires on Monday. Installation Tuesday or Wednesday.

In my analysis, I wanted to keep a full size spare that matched the other 4. I believe 285/70-17 was hit or miss as to if it would fit in the spare. I went with 275/70-17 BFGoodrich AT K02s. I expect minor trimming of the fender lining but no body chop.

Keep ya posted with the results,

Michael

How did your install go? I am looking to do the same setup this week and was wondering how the tires fit and how you like them?

Post some pictures!

 

[flighht2k5]

Is there a before and after photo of a 4th gen with cruiser springs?

 

[Tooltime19]

I think you will be good. If thats as far as they can get the caster then so be it. Im running my Bilsteins in the second from the top setting with camber set within factory limits. I keep my toe to about a 1/16 or so. I know my caster is off a little, but its no big deal.
One day I will purchase new arms to completely correct the angles. As long as the alignment shop knows what they are doing, they can get everything very close. my tire wear is awesome, and there is no additional wear and tear on anything else that I dont cause myself from the many miles of off roading I do already. My truck goes down the road nice and straight. Have fun

 

[slotoyo]

Does anybody know the stock height measurements on the 265/60/17 tires?

wondering how much i lifted the front on my Toytec Boss kit

 

[2k1]

I just picked up some Bilstein 5100's for the front of my '06 v6 4wd. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the higher settings increase stiffness...is this true? Wondering if I should split the difference and use a spacer...I'd like to end up with a 2-3" lift and level.
Anyone???

thanks!!!

Interested as well...the I am now in an 07 V8 4WD...

planning 5100s all around 1.5 rear spacers, dont want the fronts to be too stiff, should I just keep them @ stock height and use the Daystay 2.5/1.5 lift and level.

coming from an 01 with the Daystor and I really like the lift and ride. the original suspension on my 07 if a bit squishy need to tighten things up

 

[Volley]

Unless you're talking about a top plate spacer which doesn't compress the coil you mind as well stick with just adjusting the billies as both the adjustable billies and a coil spacer both serve to compress the coil for their lift so both will be stiffer than stock which isn't always a bad thing. From what I hear though most are getting more than advertised for actual lift amounts. The 1.75 setting may actually yield you 2 or more inches.

 

[2k1]

It was my understanding that the Daystar kit would maintain factory ride, where an adjusted bilstein would yield a harsher ride...main concern for me is as smooth a ride as possible...that is why I thought a non adjusted billy coupled with the DS kit would work well to maintain the factory ride, no?

Sorry, as I just bought this...The previous buyer bought new 4600HD (yellow/blue) shocks about 10,000 miles ago, so they are relatively new, can they be used with the Daystar lift 2.5"/1.5" front rear? it is my understanding via daystar they would work, is that correct? I know someone commented earlier to get the 5100s as they are meant for lifted trucks, but if the 4600s can work, I would rather do that, since the 4600HD are basically new, it saves money and time in just taking out the strut/spring adding the spacers. this is just for looks btw, just need to know if it will work...

Also just to verify 1.25" spidertrax with a tire size of 275/75/16 will fit under the 2.5"1.5" lift with no rubbing or trimming?

thanks all.

 

[salong53]

My guess is that the difference would be so minimal between the adjustable 5100s versus the Yellow Bilsteins + daystar spacer that you might as well take the cheaper route. They will have almost identical damping rate, and you'll be using the same springs regardless. I would think that the 5100s + daystar spacer for only 2-3" of lift would be pointless. After all, it's the same springs and similar damping rate. You are going to see a small change in ride quality no matter which route you go, as you'll be changing the suspension geometry, ride height, and roll axis. The Bilsteins will not give you a harsh ride, just a little more responsive and less "floaty." Sounds like your plan should work as long as your tires are 32" or less.

 

[Volley]

Agreed. There is going to be some change in ride regardless. Most would say for the better. Also agreed that you are doing basically the same thing with either route (compressing the spring for lift) so I'd just go with the billies if it were my decision and drive it and smile.

 

[2k1]

My guess is that the difference would be so minimal between the adjustable 5100s versus the Yellow Bilsteins + daystar spacer that you might as well take the cheaper route. They will have almost identical damping rate, and you'll be using the same springs regardless. I would think that the 5100s + daystar spacer for only 2-3" of lift would be pointless. After all, it's the same springs and similar damping rate. You are going to see a small change in ride quality no matter which route you go, as you'll be changing the suspension geometry, ride height, and roll axis. The Bilsteins will not give you a harsh ride, just a little more responsive and less "floaty." Sounds like your plan should work as long as your tires are 32" or less.

Agreed. There is going to be some change in ride regardless. Most would say for the better. Also agreed that you are doing basically the same thing with either route (compressing the spring for lift) so I'd just go with the billies if it were my decision and drive it and smile.

OK great, thanks to you both...

That will be the plan going forward...keep the yellow billies (17k miles on them), throw in the DS 2.5/1.5 & spidertrax 1.25"; tires @/under 32"

just confirming for rear no shocks no issue of possible bottoming out because of 1/5" DS spacer?

 

[mtaxera]

Newbie Questions re 2006 T4R Suspension Options

Hi, and pardon my newbie status, but hey, we all start somewhere.

I have a 2006 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4.7L V8 with Bilstein 5100s in front (with 2" lift so I'm thinking they're set at 1.75") and Bilstein HD 4600 in back.

Problem, my back drags, and now I'm wanting a full 3" of level lift (no rake, no drag) so I can fit new wheels and a 285/75/16 Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac (unless someone convinces me that going to a 17 inch rim with 285/70/17 is better .. I currently have 265 on a 16 inch rim.

Desired result then, basically, is a bigger tire and full 3" lift and well as increased durability to handle muddy excursions in Southern Utah and long segments of rough road in Death Valley. I don't use my ride for strictly 4 wheeling and I don't have a lot of heavy options, but it does get weighed down with cargo and goes long distance on bad roads. I want to armor it up enough to avoid component failure (or damage from underneath).

My current Bilstein's are about 30K and 3 years old. Any suggestion if I should keep then and modify around them or just do a full new setup?

A local reputable mechanic thinks I should go anew with the following, but I'm wanting feedback from our community in terms of selection/price...


FRONT

• 2.5 Fox Coilovers (at $398 each or x2) or Fox Remote Reservoir Coilovers (at $700 per or x2)
•Pro-comp uniball uni-control upper control arms ($650 for full front)
•New CV Axles on each side. Boot is leaky so this is good idea. Is there a heavy duty option that the forum would recommend??? I heard Lotus might be a good one.

REAR:

•OME Coil Springs (not sure of model, but heavy duty ($250 for pair)
•2.0 Fox Reservoir non coil over (I'm not sure what this is, the wording seems awkward but that was what was verbalized to me ($225 per or x2)

GENERAL:
•brake line extenders (these might be necessary with 3" lift, but is there any brand or heavy duty option recommended other than generic)
•Differential Drop kit (again, good idea for alignment, any brand/type recommended)

Additioal questions or parts I'll want after investing in the above:
•With a 3 inch lift, are there other components I should be worried about for additional wear or that I can protect now with modifications
•Bull bar or bumper. The ARB seems to heavy. Is this CBI brand good middle ground? Or would you recommend a bull bar. I'd like something that can have a winch and light mounted on eventually.
•Side sliders. I definitely need at least nerf bars as my plastic step up doesn't easily handle my 225 # weight. Would you recommend rock sliders instead. CBI has some nice ones, it seems.
•Skid plates ... what would you recommend to provide better protection than what's on there? Some folks recommend 1/4 inch plate for real protection. Also, is it good to install skid plates in other parts of the undercarriage?
•Rear mounting of spare tire. Are there kits available that would allow me to mount my rear tire on the outside of the car versus underneath it? I'm not sure the 285/75/16 or 275/70/17 would even fit underneath. I'd want something that would swing away so I could access my rear vehicle space. If this includes any other carrying capability, such as gas tank, even better.
•Would you recommend the Spidertrax 1.25" wheel spacers, or is it better just to find a good rim that accomplishes the same (and if so, do you recommend a particular rim ... matte black alloy... The Fuel Boss looks nice but a little pricey)

Thanks a ton to the T4R Community! I apologize for having tons of questions / an essary really ... and most of it deals with suspension but some vears away, and again, I apolize.

Best,
Martin

 

[badduc]

I recently installed the Heavy OME 896 to the rear of mine and Im running 285/75r16's. I went from a 17 to a 16 because the tires were cheaper and I really liked the konigs from FN wheels. I got mine from toytech. They dont actually advertise the OME as 3" of lift in the back, they say its more like 2-2.5" in the back and 3 inchs up front if you go with 886's anything lower than that and I believe you need the .5' spacer. And like an idiot, I was so excited to install mine I forgot to take before and after measurements so Im not sure how much I actually recieved. I will say it was noticeable when I was done. I was worried when I bought it that it might sit higher up front but it actually leveled out pretty nicely. As far as Dif drop is concerned it goes both ways. Ive seen some pretty heated arguments about that one, but most of the things I saw was that it was more of a 3rd gen thing, not really required on the 4th as it doesnt really drop the diff it just rotates the front of the transfer case forward about a 1/4 of an inch and that your skid plate wont fit right afterwards. I didnt do it on mine

 

[mtaxera]

So, should I modify the Bilstein 5100 front setup and Bilstein HD 4600 rear set up (each pair with approx 30K soft miles), or should I go with the setup of new Fox that my buddy is recommending. Also, what skid plate senario would recommend as well as a lower profile bull guard that can handle a winch and lights? Or, is it just as cost and look efficient to put in a grill / bumper guard?

Martin

 

[mtaxera]

Newbie Questions re 2006 T4R Suspension Options

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Hi, and pardon my newbie status, but hey, we all start somewhere.

I have a 2006 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4.7L V8 with Bilstein 5100s in front (with 2" lift so I'm thinking they're set at 1.75") and Bilstein HD 4600 in back.

Problem, my back drags, and now I'm wanting a full 3" of level lift (no rake, no drag) so I can fit new wheels and a 285/75/16 Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac (unless someone convinces me that going to a 17 inch rim with 285/70/17 is better .. I currently have 265 on a 16 inch rim.

Desired result then, basically, is a bigger tire and full 3" lift and well as increased durability to handle muddy excursions in Southern Utah and long segments of rough road in Death Valley. I don't use my ride for strictly 4 wheeling and I don't have a lot of heavy options, but it does get weighed down with cargo and goes long distance on bad roads. I want to armor it up enough to avoid component failure (or damage from underneath).

My current Bilstein's are about 30K and 3 years old. Any suggestion if I should keep then and modify around them or just do a full new setup?

A local reputable mechanic thinks I should go anew with the following, but I'm wanting feedback from our community in terms of selection/price...


FRONT

• 2.5 Fox Coilovers (at $398 each or x2) or Fox Remote Reservoir Coilovers (at $700 per or x2)
•Pro-comp uniball uni-control upper control arms ($650 for full front)
•New CV Axles on each side. Boot is leaky so this is good idea. Is there a heavy duty option that the forum would recommend??? I heard Lotus might be a good one.

REAR:

•OME Coil Springs (not sure of model, but heavy duty ($250 for pair)
•2.0 Fox Reservoir non coil over (I'm not sure what this is, the wording seems awkward but that was what was verbalized to me ($225 per or x2)

GENERAL:
•brake line extenders (these might be necessary with 3" lift, but is there any brand or heavy duty option recommended other than generic)
•Differential Drop kit (again, good idea for alignment, any brand/type recommended)

Additioal questions or parts I'll want after investing in the above:
•With a 3 inch lift, are there other components I should be worried about for additional wear or that I can protect now with modifications
•Bull bar or bumper. The ARB seems to heavy. Is this CBI brand good middle ground? Or would you recommend a bull bar. I'd like something that can have a winch and light mounted on eventually.
•Side sliders. I definitely need at least nerf bars as my plastic step up doesn't easily handle my 225 # weight. Would you recommend rock sliders instead. CBI has some nice ones, it seems.
•Skid plates ... what would you recommend to provide better protection than what's on there? Some folks recommend 1/4 inch plate for real protection. Also, is it good to install skid plates in other parts of the undercarriage?
•Rear mounting of spare tire. Are there kits available that would allow me to mount my rear tire on the outside of the car versus underneath it? I'm not sure the 285/75/16 or 275/70/17 would even fit underneath. I'd want something that would swing away so I could access my rear vehicle space. If this includes any other carrying capability, such as gas tank, even better.
•Would you recommend the Spidertrax 1.25" wheel spacers, or is it better just to find a good rim that accomplishes the same (and if so, do you recommend a particular rim ... matte black alloy... The Fuel Boss looks nice but a little pricey)

Thanks a ton to the T4R Community! I apologize for having tons of questions / an essary really ... and most of it deals with suspension but some vears away, and again, I apolize.

Best,
Martin