5th generation Trail edition traction control problem.

shredderman66

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I bought my 2012 4Runner Trail edition with KDSS new back in May with Bridgestone duelers on it. Recently changed the tires to Michelin LTX AT2 265/70/17 and am experiencing a very stange issue. We live in the mountains of NC and while travelling winding up hill or down hill curves at 35 MPH the skid control system will activate and independantly brake the front wheels for no reason. Very scarey, so bad that my girlfriend refuses to drive it any more. I took it back to the dealership and they see no fault codes and tell me there is nothing wrong. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG!! This pehenomenon will happen in the same set of curves every time. Both left and right hand curves travelling up hill or down hill at a safe speed without pushing it at all. When in the curves the tires are not squeeling or scrubbing at all and could easily be taken at a faster speed. Diff lock off, ATRAC off and in H2.The pavement is dry and free of sand or gravel.There has to be an issue with a sensor that is far to sensitive. Any ideas?
Thank you in advance........
 
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I bought my 2012 4Runner Trail edition with KDSS new back in May with Bridgestone duelers on it. Recently changed the tires to Michelin LTX AT2 265/70/17 and am experiencing a very stange issue. We live in the mountains of NC and while travelling winding up hill or down hill curves at 35 MPH the skid control system will activate and independantly brake the front wheels for no reason. Very scarey, so bad that my girlfriend refuses to drive it any more. I took it back to the dealership and they see no fault codes and tell me there is nothing wrong. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG!! This pehenomenon will happen in the same set of curves every time. Both left and right hand curves travelling up hill or down hill at a safe speed without pushing it at all. When in the curves the tires are not squeeling or scrubbing at all and could easily be taken at a faster speed. Diff lock off, ATRAC off and in H2.The pavement is dry and free of sand or gravel.There has to be an issue with a sensor that is far to sensitive. Any ideas?
Thank you in advance........

Take the shop foreman for a test drive and show him what the vehicle does. Hopefully you can reproduce it easily enough.

Rob
 
There is a Toyota dealer in Asheville and Hendersonville. Depending on where you are these should not be 100 miles away. You dont have to go to the dealer you purchased it from to have Toyota handle issues. This is pretty serious because in a situation where the road is slippery, like snow or ice, that could cause a skid.
 
I took my rig back to the dealer after I lifted it. The slip control was too sensitive and I had tried the manual calibration with no luck. The dealer did the Zero Point Calibration with no questions asked. It still kicks in, but it is definitely less sensitive.

Good luck, Jason
 
VSC system issues/far too sensitive.

I bought my Trail from Mike Johnson in Hickory so decided to take it back to them also it would still be 45 minutes over to Hot Springs where the curves exist from Jim Berkley in Asheville. I am confused as to why the dealership has never heard of such an issue however the forum is inundated with such accounts. Thanks for your input. I will get it fixed as " She " wont drive it if the problem persists. " She " has now named this 4Runner " Christine " due to its strange behaviour.
 
The shop forman drove it for 15 minutes and was not able to duplicate the issue. It only happens in the same set of curves going up or down hill and unfortunatley they are located over 100 miles away. Further research as suggested has pointed me to the link below as the problem.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...celeration-sensor-zero-point-calibration.html

I will forward this info to the dealership..

Thank you.

Good info, I learn something new every day!

Rob
 
I bought my Trail from Mike Johnson in Hickory so decided to take it back to them also it would still be 45 minutes over to Hot Springs where the curves exist from Jim Berkley in Asheville. I am confused as to why the dealership has never heard of such an issue however the forum is inundated with such accounts. Thanks for your input. I will get it fixed as " She " wont drive it if the problem persists. " She " has now named this 4Runner " Christine " due to its strange behaviour.
You can get a cable from eBay for $30 and DIY. Just search eBay for techstream
 
Tire rating

I am pretty certain the LTX AT2 Tires are an 8 ply and not a 10 ply or E rated. Should this make a difference in your opinion? The Michelin tire sizing tool specified the tire.
 
seems like the problem started after changing tires so that would be the first place i would look.
 
The issue was apparent before the tire change also they are to the required Toyota spec. Today they completed the zero point calibration and it did nothing to aleviate the problem. Now we are replacing the " Yaw rate sensor".........
 
I feel your pain.

I have owned, a 2006 4R sport 4WD, and then traded it for a 2010 TE.

The 2006 did this and I had it worked on by the dealer several times. I had upgraded the tires to one size larger (can't remember the sizes) but no lift. Net, they really never got it fixed and it continued to be an issue up to the day I traded it in. I had at least 3 attempts done on the zero calibration.

On my 2010 TE, same issue, once again made worse after I upgraded to Toyo MT's. This time I stayed in the same tire size, made no lift. Net same problem and about as bad. Like you I could almost anticipate where and when it would kick on on certain roads. Nice feature on the TE is you can just turn it off, which I do at certain times. I want to do a lift, but no one I have spoken to seems to know how to do it on TE without screwing up the KDSS. I have yet to find any shop in my area (Arkansas) that has done it on a TE with KDSS and the system works.

On my TE I have had (2) zero point calibrations. The 2nd one did seem to help, but it still happens occasionally. It's almost like a tolerance builds up and once the system kicks in, it's much easier to set it off.

I also feel that the 3 ply tires may be causing some of the problems since I am sure they don't handle the same way that the stock (worthless) Dunlops do. The Dunlops have a huge amount of sidewall flex, you can easily test this yourself on a unmounted tire. The 3 ply sidewalls are considerably stiffer, but I feel you should be able to re-set the system to allow for any tire combination. I don't feel the stock tires on on a TE will go too far on any moderate off roading adventure, and tend to be one of the first thing replaced.

I am sure the system is important, however after two totally different generations 4R's and both having basically the same issue, I have to wonder. Pretty sure it's not me, I am not an aggressive driver.

What is funny, the one time I really had to make a extreme move as a deer ran out right in front of me and really swerved, hard, the system did not kick in.

Still love the truck and for now I just turn it off when it starts to kick in a lot. Like you point out, you tend to take your hands off the wheel as it's a shocker when it kicks in. I still tend to do this, which makes me wonder how safe the design is anyway as taking hands off the wheel is never a great idea.

Your post reminds me I need to follow up once again with my local dealer as my next step was to replace the same part they are looking to replace on yours. As for the dealer never hearing about this, (that's par for the course).

Hope they get yours working.

Paul
 
zero point calibration or yaw rate sensor.

Paul

Thank you for your input. Its a shame that Toyota can't get this issue sorted out. I intend to keep persuing it as needed as this is a major fault and a significant safety hazard for the wrong driver or road condition, lets face it this could be deadly. As I mentioned the zero point calibration did nothing. I will keep posting results as to the yaw rate sensor replacement.

Thanks again.
 
That must be frustrating. Besides ice and snow, I've had mine kick in only a few times unexpectedly. I came down Kern canyon road today which is a very narrow windy road, no VSC at all even taking a few turns far too hot.
Have you tried to vary tire pressure? Also I would try to see if the trans in "S" makes any difference.
 
Yaw rate sensor replacement.

After dropping the T4R TE back at the dealership after the failure of the zero point calibration on Tuesday they ordered the new yaw rate sensor. Went to pick it up Wednesday afternoon and the part is back ordered until next Tuesday. I suggested taking it home and putting it in the garage until Tuesday and they said no! " Leave it here, its in safe hands plus we drove it and its not a good idea to drive it". Cool! Buy in from my dealership! I am impressed! Will post results next week. Happy Turkey time.
 
Yaw rate sensor replacement!

The Yaw rate sensor came in today and was replaced. Picked the truck up this afternoon and the same issue happened in the first real curve, turned around and drove straight back to the dealership. They are going to call Toyota engineering on Monday.:wtf:
 

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