MTN4RNR
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All sounds good and dandy, but will it stop me from lining up for a 2016? Hmmmmm....
6th gen 2017 4R, will it exist?
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All sounds good and dandy, but will it stop me from lining up for a 2016? Hmmmmm....
Jetboy
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I though it would be regular fuel too, but it's got the same premium fuel requirement. It is an easy model to produce - just change the ecu and put a different emblem on the back. Probably something they can do at the port. It's just a shitty way to sell something. It's like selling a 20oz beer for $5, then offering to pour 4 ounces out of the glass and sell a 16oz for $4 - and everyone watches you pour 4oz down the drain.
I first thought maybe the 2.0T had some issue with awd, but the nx200T is awd. I think it uses the front bias awd like the rx/highlander/rav. The is awd center diff is completely different... but it's bolted to the back of the same transmission and mated to the 305hp engine so how could it not fit or be able to handle the power? Maybe the engine's oil pan interferes with the front driveline? Then I think - how could you design an engine from the ground up an not think about this issue if you want to use it in more car models. There must be some good reason, but I can't figure out what it would be.
From the dream world of my imagination~
(and to Toyota's engineers God-willing)
I recently had the pleasure of test driving one of the new Tesla P85D (in "insane" mode btw) and it seriously was ridiculous how much power it had and, because all of the battery weight etc was below you it had no body roll and no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get the tires to so much as chirp...and it uses regenerative braking to slow/ brake the vehicle. In speaking with the product manager on hand he mentioned that Elon Musk is planning to *give* major manufacturers the rights to use the Tesla technology....
So- in my dreamworld I'd love to see them keep the V6 but have it tuned for better cruising HP and MPG but using the Tesla tech for accelerating- in particular in the 0-30 gas guzzling range. It'd be easier on the engine (even MORE years of reliability) and would certainly help Toyota with the CAFE standards...
Thoughts?!
(and to Toyota's engineers God-willing)
I recently had the pleasure of test driving one of the new Tesla P85D (in "insane" mode btw) and it seriously was ridiculous how much power it had and, because all of the battery weight etc was below you it had no body roll and no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get the tires to so much as chirp...and it uses regenerative braking to slow/ brake the vehicle. In speaking with the product manager on hand he mentioned that Elon Musk is planning to *give* major manufacturers the rights to use the Tesla technology....
So- in my dreamworld I'd love to see them keep the V6 but have it tuned for better cruising HP and MPG but using the Tesla tech for accelerating- in particular in the 0-30 gas guzzling range. It'd be easier on the engine (even MORE years of reliability) and would certainly help Toyota with the CAFE standards...
Thoughts?!
Jetboy
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Not sure Toyota would use any tech from Tesla for that. It's already been in that market for about 20 years with the Prius. And Toyota owns 10% of Tesla - so they could probably get the tech if they wanted it.
I think the weight and cost are going to keep it from becoming a hybrid any time soon. OTOH you can already buy a highlander hybrid that does pretty much exactly the same thing.
I don't think it would work well off road for the same reason the Tesla makes a really crappy race car - overheating. Tesla can't make a lap at the nurburgring for example without overheating, so it can't as of yet even attempt a competitive time. They've tried. Blasting around sand dunes would have the same effect in short order. As much as I love the idea of electric drive - I don't think it's ready for offroad use yet.
I think the weight and cost are going to keep it from becoming a hybrid any time soon. OTOH you can already buy a highlander hybrid that does pretty much exactly the same thing.
I don't think it would work well off road for the same reason the Tesla makes a really crappy race car - overheating. Tesla can't make a lap at the nurburgring for example without overheating, so it can't as of yet even attempt a competitive time. They've tried. Blasting around sand dunes would have the same effect in short order. As much as I love the idea of electric drive - I don't think it's ready for offroad use yet.
As you said, the NX is mounted sideways so a totally different setup than the longitudinally mounted IS200t. My guess is that it was a drivability issue or driver preference (there are people that don't like turbo 4s). The 6AT with the 2.0T and AWD was maybe a bit of a dog and they decided that they should sandbag a little bit. The torque curve on the detuned 2GR-FSE is super flat until way up in the rev range. I'll have to dig around in the TIS to see if there is more information about the differences between the IS300 and IS350.
No. Absolutely not.
What you are talking about is a hybrid, with a CVT blending the power of the electric motor and internal combustion engine. And then you end up with hybrid braking systems to go with it. The result is that both acceleration and braking are non-linear, as the computer tries to blend the acceleration power of the electric motor and the internal combustion engine when accelerating, and the braking power of the electric motor (run as a generator) and the disc brakes. To get an idea what these are like, go drive a Prius.
The Tesla accelerates incredibly well because it has a very, very powerful electric motor and nothing else. As a result, it doesn't have a transmission. So you get all the torque immediately, right off the line. If you tried to put that kind of torque through a passenger-car sized CVT, you would break it immediately the very first time you floored the throttle.
wfo9
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Nailed it!!!!
Not sure how he knows, but he obviously has the inside scoop along with some common sense.
No chance they are going to turn it into a crossover, right? I have read a couple nonsense articles where they were predicting Toyota will move the Runner away from BOF.
People don't seem to be too thrilled with the 3.5 in the new Tacoma. Isn't the Runner too heavy for a 3.5?
veloindy
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???? The new owners on Tacoma World seem to like it. The transmission is where I reading most of the complaints. Not even really complaints, just annoyances with up and down shifting in the 65mph range. Toyota will get the small issues worked out before they drop it into the 4Runner.
Let's see. 4Runner Limited 4x4 is 4800 lbs (definitely heavier than the 4th gen). Tacoma Limited double cab 4x4 is 4480. So the 4Runner is an extra 300 lbs, roughly.
That wouldn't help performance, but whether or not Toyota would consider it to be acceptable isn't clear to me.
tacoma world is what i was going off of. there seems to be very mixed reviews....the two common complaints are not enough torque, so a bit sluggish off the line, and no significant improvement in fuel economy.
I imagine (hope) they would tweak the 3.5 just like they did the 4.0 in 2010 for the 4Runner to compensate for the extra weight.
While the mileage and tech is great on the 3.5, I think the HP and Torque numbers are disappointing to a lot of people, myself included, especially given the competition's 300+.
I know myself and many on this board would be thrilled with a 3.5L w/a six-speed that got 18 city/23 Highway and was in the neighborhood of 300 HP.
While the mileage and tech is great on the 3.5, I think the HP and Torque numbers are disappointing to a lot of people, myself included, especially given the competition's 300+.
I know myself and many on this board would be thrilled with a 3.5L w/a six-speed that got 18 city/23 Highway and was in the neighborhood of 300 HP.
Jetboy
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No chance. The highlander is the 4runner size crossover. The two are nearly identical size and weight. If there's a move to crossover land - they'd either drop the 4runner entirely, or just call a new highlander a 4runner.
Jetboy
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I would be very interested to know. We had an is250 awd for a few years and really liked it. But wasn't fast. My wife doesn't care. And she wants to sell our RX350 for a newer IS again. But it has to be awd because of where we live. Two of our canyons are 4x4 or chains for 4 months a year. The IS250 was amazingly good in snow/ice.
So I'll be in the market probably in the next year sometime. But I'm not inclined to jump on an is300 if the turbo will be offered in awd next year and Lexus is just clearing out a stock of transmissions leftover from the IS250 or something.
JeffMerr
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That's what I love about the new 3.5 and new tranny going into the tacoma first. When it gets dropped into the 4runner a lot of the kinks and issues will have already come and gone for the most part. In 2003 it was the opposite and the 4runner had to nail out all the kinks before the tacoma finally got the 4.0. Hopefully they don't screw up the styling this time. Going from the 2009 to the 2010 design was incredibly boring and almost seemed like going backwards looks wise. They made up for it with the 2014 though re-design though.
eliminator
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Given the extensive frontal refresh in 2014, I wouldn't be surprised if they waited at least another year or two before the full redesign. I think they can milk this generation abit longer. The dealership near my house has gone from selling 2-3 4Runners per month to 2-3 4Runners per week on average.
There's Limiteds all over my sub-division, the majority being 2014+ models. Either being driven by soccer moms or empty nesters.
There's Limiteds all over my sub-division, the majority being 2014+ models. Either being driven by soccer moms or empty nesters.
Triple8Sol
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If this is to be believed, then the redesign is for MY2017:
http://www.autonews.com/Assets/pdf/future/2015japan1.pdf
http://www.autonews.com/Assets/pdf/future/2015japan1.pdf
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