philsey
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Agree - I wouldn't want that car either. Could be you should take it to a Toyota shop, insist on oem parts, and lawyer up.
6th gen 2017 4R, will it exist?
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Agree - I wouldn't want that car either. Could be you should take it to a Toyota shop, insist on oem parts, and lawyer up.
ST1FLER
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this is his last year THANK GOD.... so no one gives a shit what that assh0le has to say
The fact that is has the GX as a "redesign?"... makes me thing this chart may hold some water. since Lexus already announced the TX and word is the TX will replace the BOF GX. The question mark on this chart seems to indicate someone was trying to make the char realistic.
This is the TX, the possible successor of the GX460. It looks very much like the highlander in size and construction (unibody).
last week we were at the dealer looking to trade my wife's RX350 for the NX, I found the NX to be nearly the same (except for cargo space) as the RX.. So just thinking out loud; could the NX become the RX and the GX become the Lexus version of the Highlander TX???
check back with me in 4-9 months and I will let you know...
jwkilgore
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Soooo many things wrong with this statement, but I'll concentrate on the big error: there is no requirement anywhere that all new vehicles must achieve 54mpg by 2025. The requirement is that the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) be 54.5mpg by 2025. This means take all the Prius's and Corollas and average them with all the Tundras and Sequoias and the weighted average must be above 54.5mpg.
Considering that Toyota's most fuel-efficient car, the Prius, is currently is rated at about 50mpg means we have a looong way to go. And this is Toyota, which sells a lot of Priuses and very very few Tundras. Think of all the Silverados and F150's sold by domestic manufacturers.
If you're a betting person, the smart money would be on either the 54.5mpg number getting lowered or the 2025 deadline getting extended.
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After a bit of research, it looks like the CAFE numbers are calculated differently than the EPA sticker numbers. To get 54.5mpg CAFE rating, the equivalent EPA numbers would be a little over 40mpg. Also, manufacturers get huge credits and bonus for other things like electric vehicles (no fuel) and "Flex Fuel" (85% ethanol, so less imported oil). That why there are so many "flex fuel" Chevy Suburbans being sold, even though there are very few gas stations nationwide (most in the corn belt) that actually sell E85 fuel.
I still say that manufacturers will either lobby for more credits, get the target number lowered, or get the deadline extended.
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Jetboy
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Can you name even one? I've never owned one that was even close to as reliable as a Japanese counterpart.
Jetboy
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The fact that is has the GX as a "redesign?"... makes me thing this chart may hold some water. since Lexus already announced the TX and word is the TX will replace the BOF GX. The question mark on this chart seems to indicate someone was trying to make the char realistic.
This is the TX, the possible successor of the GX460. It looks very much like the highlander in size and construction (unibody).
last week we were at the dealer looking to trade my wife's RX350 for the NX, I found the NX to be nearly the same (except for cargo space) as the RX.. So just thinking out loud; could the NX become the RX and the GX become the Lexus version of the Highlander TX???
check back with me in 4-9 months and I will let you know...
I don't think the RX is going anywhere. It's Lexus' best selling vehicle by a large margin. The GX sells very well too. I think we'll get a 3rd crossover that's a bit longer than an RX with a 3rd row. I don't think it'll sell very well. The '16 RX is not a very good looking car IMO. It's way too station wagon for me. With that weird c pillar treatment, the only color I'd consider is black so you don't see it. I think sales will drop next year by 20%. Adding another 20ish inches is going to look terrible. No one will buy it on a lot sitting next to a GX that's so much better looking.
Where Lexus really needs a size adjustment is to fill the gap between the subcompact IS and the full size GS. Maybe grow the IS a bit more and add an NS small sedan? Also what would be great for the RX or highlander would be use of the GS/IS awd system. It's totally different and much better for an SUV IMO. It would also allow the highlander/RX to have a mild offroad model because it's so much more robust in design that it could actually handle medium duty offroad work. And I really think that that center diff design could be a great choice to integrate into a 4runner rather than the current awd center diff in the ltd. It's just better at everything. The big missing parts are a locking mechanism and low range.
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The Waco Kid
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You should read all the supercharger threads... Those are even better imho. :whip2:
Bevo
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All of the GM transmissions I have owned have been solid units(several 4L-80Es, and 1 6L80). The Chrysler transmissions on the other hand....
Jetboy
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I think the later years of the 4l80e fixed the issues with the first few years where they would randomly quit shifting out of 1st gear. They also had lots of issues with torque converter/clutch packs not working correctly together. The converters would lock early and then burn the clutch packs up at low speed. Then they wouldn't work in OD because the clutch pack couldn't hold the load.
I can't say that I can remember having a 4l60e failure - so I suppose they're better than most. The 700r4 was pretty terrible, but they must have fixed most of the issues when they moved to the electronic shifting version. They do seem to have a reasonably high failure rate based on a google search of the gm forums.
I can't say that I can remember having a 4l60e failure - so I suppose they're better than most. The 700r4 was pretty terrible, but they must have fixed most of the issues when they moved to the electronic shifting version. They do seem to have a reasonably high failure rate based on a google search of the gm forums.
jwkilgore
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Slight tangent. The other day a young co-worker asked me about my 4Runner; he said he and his wife were considering buying one. I asked him about usage, and based on the answer I told him he'd be better served with the Highlander. Nope, he liked the looks of the 4Runner.
After more discussion it turns out he didn't have any idea about the differences in construction (BoF vs Unibody, FWD vs RWD vs AWD vs 4WD, anything). He had no interest in going off-road or towing. The 4Runner just "looked better".
In his defence, I probably didn't know much about those things at that age either (well, back then only cars were unibody), and for what it's worth the current Highlander is basically a smallish minivan with hinged rear doors.
After more discussion it turns out he didn't have any idea about the differences in construction (BoF vs Unibody, FWD vs RWD vs AWD vs 4WD, anything). He had no interest in going off-road or towing. The 4Runner just "looked better".
In his defence, I probably didn't know much about those things at that age either (well, back then only cars were unibody), and for what it's worth the current Highlander is basically a smallish minivan with hinged rear doors.
pauldavis
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I wanted the 4runner because I new it was great for off roading but my wife liked it because of the looks. She liked the "manly look of it". Says she feel cool driving it. Lol, I guess I do too. The main reason I like the 4runner though is its a vehicle I can do more than drive from point a to point b with. It's a big boy toy, something I can go have fun in and upgrade to make it my own.
Ok...interesting pictures of the Fortuner. How closely related are these to what we might expect on the 2017 4Runner? I like some of the look, not necessarily the front.
Jetboy
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The fortuner was basically the evolution of the 3rd gen 4runner. Physically it's smaller in size like the 3rd gen where the Prado 150 is the same as a GX460 with a different grille, and basically the same as a 5th gen 4runner platform. They're going to be similar, but the fortuner is simply a smaller version. I've driven one in the Philippines and had generally positive thoughts. Little diesel wasn't really powerful, but you'd never need it there. Quiet, comfortable, rock solid. Felt just like driving a 3rd gen.
TheLast13
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What's crazy is that every single year from 2010 to 2015, 4Runner sales have gone up in the US. So there is no way that Toyota isn't going to stick with its current formula. They are getting all the sales from manufactures that turned their SUV's into CUV's.
Normally sales start high and start to trickle down as the line ages, but its crazy that this has the opposite effect. I almost wouldn't be surprised if they stretch the 5th gens out for an extra model year.
Normally sales start high and start to trickle down as the line ages, but its crazy that this has the opposite effect. I almost wouldn't be surprised if they stretch the 5th gens out for an extra model year.
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Bevo
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I'm not sure if they are buying 4runners, but they don't seem to be selling as many Tahoes and Suburbans as they use to. Even here in DFW where they build them.
codyHTX
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I am actaully one of these statistics. my 07 tahoe was totaled and (while i was already looking at trading in for a 4R before the accident anyway) the price tag on the 2015's quickly made that an easy "nope"
I like the size of the Fortuner. If they sold them in the US I would have definitely considered it over the 4Runner.
Jetboy
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The other end of that purchase doesn't help either. My parents have had IIRC 8 consecutive suburbans. They're not particularly brand loyal as they also have a crew cab 3/4 GMC, Honda accord, and an older land cruiser. The last suburban they sold earlier this year used with 100k miles was I think about an '05 z71 and it's resale was barely different from what I sold my '96 4runner with 210k miles for a few months earlier. I was kinda surprised by how cheap they get at the 10 year mark. If a new suburban wasn't asking for Land Cruiser prices, it might have been on the list again. I think that was the first vehicle they looked at. As it turned out they ended up at the neighbor Toyota dealer and bought a Limited Rav 4 for like $28k. Totally different car, but the pricing was so dramatically different and she doesn't need a full size SUV anymore that the Rav4 seemed like a wise choice.
She would have gone with a ltd 4runner if they got better mileage. It think it's a fair complaint that a 6,500lb Suburban with 100 more hp gets equal or better mileage is a problem for the 4runner. Toyota really needs to address the efficiency of the 4runner at some point.
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