6th gen 2017 4R, will it exist?
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Gecko
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Lexus' 8 speed auto is pretty well tuned at this point, and the version in their F cars is wonderful. I've heard a lot of complaining about FCA's 9AT as well as Honda's, but I think 8 gears can be done well without the hunting.
Lexus is now up to a 10AT in the new LC 500 - crazy.
Lexus is now up to a 10AT in the new LC 500 - crazy.
Kennyr44
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Yes, I did buy a different vehicle as a result -- a 2013 Landcruiser. 380 hp, 400 ft-lbs of torque. Plenty of performance but also a lot of scoot off the line with no drama, just how I like it. Fuel economy is, of course, epically bad, but I expected that.[/QUOTE]
I have that engine and an 8 speed transmission in my 2007 LS460. Its really smooth and powerful, it would be real nice in my 4 Runner although not really necessary.
I have that engine and an 8 speed transmission in my 2007 LS460. Its really smooth and powerful, it would be real nice in my 4 Runner although not really necessary.
20074runnerlimited
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My dilemma here as well. Buy a redesigned land cruiser 2016 or wait to the 4Runner is redesigned. ?
Hoping 4Runner news for 2017 comes out soon so I can know for sure. Hate buying a model that will be outdated in a year.
Prefer to save the money from the land cruiser but do like the increase in size but saw rumors the new 4Runner is bigger in all directions.
Thoughts?
Hoping 4Runner news for 2017 comes out soon so I can know for sure. Hate buying a model that will be outdated in a year.
Prefer to save the money from the land cruiser but do like the increase in size but saw rumors the new 4Runner is bigger in all directions.
Thoughts?
Beer_Runner
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If they make the next gen 4Runner bigger, that'd definitely be a step in the wrong direction.
fattire
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I tested this yesterday after I saw your post. I drove from Austin to San Antonio. All highway miles on cruise control (which actually works really really well after the regear; no more hunting for gears and surging on overpasses). All mileage reported from the dash display. Fresh fill up and everything reset at the start of each.
First section was 83 mph. I got 13.3 mpg. RPMs were just a hair under 3000.
Second section was 73 mph. I got 16.6 mpg. RapMs were right at 2500.
These were both down wind yesterday. There was a section that I did not include where I had to go more cross/into wind for a while between southerly sections. Mileage dropped to 12.6 on the first section if I included that portion. It was excluded because I didn't have a similar section on the second part of the test.
Tires play into this as well. I'm currently running moderately worn ATs that measures to 32.7 when brand new. They're about 60% worn so I'd put them right at 32 at the moment.
If there was one more gear to get the RPMs down in the 2100 range, things would be really good. The shorter first in the 8AT would be nice off-road. However, after the regear first hardly exists anyway on pavement ;-).
Hope this helps...
fattire
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It really gets me when I'm on the toll road around Austin/San Antonio doing 85 and get passed like I'm standing still by just about everyone. I don't think my rig could go faster if I wanted to. It's the d-lineman doing wind sprints with the wide receivers. LOL!
The 5.7 is overkill for the 4Runner and I'm not sure it would even fit. But the 4.6 V8 would fit and would be a good choice. Even a turbocharged direct injection v6 of around 2.5 to 3.0l would work.
Danimal
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I believe your car has the 4.6L, similar to what is in the GX which shares a platform with the 4Runner. Definitely not overkill since its power output is, IMHO, low. The Land Cruiser has the 5.7L.
Put the Tacoma 3.5L V6 in the next 4Runner with proper gearing and throttle mapping and it'll be an improvement. The 1GR-FE is outdated, has crap throttle mapping, and needs better gearing.
Dan
The Landcruiser is almost twice the money and is much bigger. It is more work to park. It is wider so that you often have wiggle out between the door and an adjacent car in a parking garage.
I'm averaging 13.5 mpg. I suspect I would be getting greater than 16 in a V6 4Runner.
The third row seat in a Landcruiser isn't great, but it is more usable than the third row seat in a 4Runner. For me, the third row seat just takes up space. The cargo capacity behind the first row of the Landcruiser is basically the same as the 4Runner, about 80 cu ft.
Turning circle of the Landcruiser is surprisingly good, almost the same as the 4Runner.
The Landcruiser is a lot more refined inside than the 4Runner. But then it costs twice as much.
philsey
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My dealer recently had new 2 LC's which I looked over very carefully. One in black (that paint is stunning) and another in BP. I found the LC to be VERY outwardly appealing from a size/design/looks/road presence standpoint. Very!
The innards, although a quality level 10, is just over the top for me. The 3rd row jump seats are so intrusive and outdated as to be just silly, two huge entertainment screens hanging off the front seat backs are ugly and intrusive, and there's just way more overall technology than I'd ever use.
If this came in a more basic level I'd be very seriously tempted. I didn't even drive it. This vehicle, sadly, is up in the "look-at-me-and-what-I-can-afford" class now - along with SUVs from LR/MB/BMW/Porsche.
As I said, I don't need the 3rd row jump seats. They can be removed relatively easily, but then you have holes and exposed hardware.
My 2013 has a single, drop-down screen from the ceiling, which is also useless to me. The 2016 has the two huge screens having off the seat backs. Those are, as you said, ugly and intrusive. They are also just stupid, IMO. I think GM has a much better strategy -- build a wifi hotspot into the vehicle. Give your kids a couple old iPads. Cheaper. Less intrusive. And when the tablet technology changes again in a couple years, go get a couple new, cheap tablets. If your kids break the tablets, you can replace them for a few hundred bucks. Replacing those built-in screens in the 2016 Landcruiser is likely to be silly expensive.
I take my SUV offroad, so the BMW and Porsche are not options. I thought very briefly about the LandRover LR4, but their reliability just sucks. The ML350/GLE was a possibility, but in order to get the offroad capability that I want, I would have to special order the offroad package (which includes a locking center diff, two-speed transfer case, and air suspension). The ML350/GLE get expensive very fast, and there is very little chance I could find a 2-year-old CPO ML350 with the offroad package. Finally, the reliability of the ML350/GLE just sucks.
So I got a 2-year-old, 2013 CPO Landcruiser for $59k. So that is about 50% more than a new 4Runner.
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sooperedd
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I had an '85 "Hi Lux" Pickup and still regret selling it in 2003 to buy my Burb; I wanted something roomier.
Although the 2.4 in it was notorious for blowing head gaskets and I did have one blow, but still wish I kept it.
Jetboy
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Thanks! I've been really on the fence of how to proceed. I have 285's and my highway mpg is all over the place. Half the time I'm in 4th gear getting 15mpg or less, and half the time I'm in 5th gear and I can actually get about 21mpg even with 285s.
So I've been thinking either going to a 255/75/17 pure street tire and having a second set of 285ish size offroad tires on other wheels. Or re-gearing possibly, but I don't really want 4.56. So it's possible to jump to a 3.93 set, but I don't know if thats even worth the effort. I wish very badly that a 4.10 was available. For my use that would be ideal.
OTOH I've also been eyeing a couple GX460's that I could trade down to and put some cash in my pocket. Then build one just like my 4runner only with the v8 and 6 speed. I think my mpg would be pretty darn close. I just don't really love the awd or the weight. Jeep made it official that the 3.0L diesel will be in the next Wrangler. I can't help but want one. It's like the hot crazy girl. You know you'll hate life, but you can't stop yourself.
jwkilgore
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In related news, this was recently announced: Next-Gen Jeep Wrangler to Get Diesel, Hybrid Powertrains ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog
Calling it a "hybrid" is sortof a stretch... basically it reads like they've moved more of the standard energy leeches (air conditioning, power steering pump, water pump, etc.) off of the main moter and powered them a separate electric motor. Then they added regenerative braking and coasting tech to help charge the (now larger) battery. As I understand it there is zero drivetrain power from the electric system.
A plug-in-hybrid 7th Gen with four in-wheel electric motors and a central back-up gas engine? No driveshafts, no transfer case, no transmission, no broken CV axles...
Calling it a "hybrid" is sortof a stretch... basically it reads like they've moved more of the standard energy leeches (air conditioning, power steering pump, water pump, etc.) off of the main moter and powered them a separate electric motor. Then they added regenerative braking and coasting tech to help charge the (now larger) battery. As I understand it there is zero drivetrain power from the electric system.
A plug-in-hybrid 7th Gen with four in-wheel electric motors and a central back-up gas engine? No driveshafts, no transfer case, no transmission, no broken CV axles...
It would be a mild hybrid.
Bevo
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All of that tech in a Fiat-Chrysler product? Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Kennyr44
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Correct the ls460 has the 4.6 hence the 460 badging I guess. 386 HP. That should push the 4 Runner around nicely. It really is a sick amount of power for a sedan though. Rarely or lets say never do I get my foot into it very far.
Now that the Xterra is gone, the 4runner has no competition. I think it will be left with minimal updates for years to come just like the Tacoma was.
Ford is serious about a new Bronco, but is not known whether it will be a competitor to the 4runner (like the Everest) or the Wrangler. Wranglers are where stupid amounts of disposable income are being spent by wanna-bes now so that is my guess. Wranglers are the new Harley.
Ford is serious about a new Bronco, but is not known whether it will be a competitor to the 4runner (like the Everest) or the Wrangler. Wranglers are where stupid amounts of disposable income are being spent by wanna-bes now so that is my guess. Wranglers are the new Harley.
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