America this week, what the hell?

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They didn't shut the government down to stop spending. They shut it down to stop paying debts we ALREADY OWE.

This would be the equivalent of you running up a credit card and then not paying the bill in order to control your spending. You control spending through the budget, NOT the debt limit. Defaulting on our debts would have ruined our credit rating and cost a fortune. It takes a real moron to buy that BS.

the way I remember it, they hit their budget ceiling.
the final solution was to just raise the ceiling lol.

not spend less, but raise the limit. our government is ran by morons.

if any of us were to run our personal finances the same way, we would be bankrupt(or worse) in a very short time.
 
the way I remember it, they hit their budget ceiling.
the final solution was to just raise the ceiling lol.

not spend less, but raise the limit. our government is ran by morons.

if any of us were to run our personal finances the same way, we would be bankrupt(or worse) in a very short time.

No, that's not how it works. The government operates on a budget that's supposed to be set by Congress and signed off by the President. When you want to cut spending you reduce the budget.

The debt ceiling is a limit on how much the government can borrow to cover debts its ALREADY incurred. Choosing to not raise the limit so the Treasury can pay the bills is the EXACT same thing as buying too much house and then refusing to pay the mortgage.

When you do that you call into question the "full faith and credit" of the Nation, and then your credit rating takes a hit, and all future borrowing costs MORE than it did before. It's a ****ing stupid way to try and manage government debt, and the Republicans (rightly) took a beating for doing it.
 
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What beating? Republicans overwhelmingly dominated in the 2010 and 2014 midterm. Even BHO called it a "Shellacking".

Btw, Are you from New York like everyone else over there? ;)

In 2013 they backed down, and it split the party in the House. The Speaker stepped down, and that disarray has carried over into the absolute disaster you have right now, with the RNC seriously considering turning its back on the presidential candidate in order to try and limit down ballot losses.

And no, I'm not from NY, or anywhere close to it.
 
The absolute disaster we have right now has nothing to do with the RNC and the debt ceiling. A major party presidential candidate almost being indicted by the FBI, and that party's chair resigning the day of the convention due to unethical (at best) practices during the primaries resulted from "I know better than you" practices by high level DNCers - a practice the RNC may have had as well until Trump got more primary votes than any other Republican in history running on absolutely nothing but a policy of "**** those guys".

Perfect governing/leading plan for the entire nation. Good luck with that....
 
It's difficult to see our neighbour 'cut their nose.......", eh? :deadhorse:



No it's not. You seem to get off on it. Just read your comment history in this thread on how stupid this is. If your enjoying watching it. Fine. Just don't be a coward and say it's difficult to watch. eh?


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The absolute disaster we have right now has nothing to do with the RNC and the debt ceiling. A major party presidential candidate almost being indicted by the FBI, and that party's chair resigning the day of the convention due to unethical (at best) practices during the primaries resulted from "I know better than you" practices by high level DNCers - a practice the RNC may have had as well until Trump got more primary votes than any other Republican in history running on absolutely nothing but a policy of "**** those guys".

To my eyes, Trump was the Al Czervik crashing the RNC's little Bushwood Country Club...

If you'd asked me a year ago, I'd have bet money on another Clinton/Bush ticket.
 
It's difficult to watch the election on TV.
It's even more difficult to go online and watch branded people twist and contort logic and reason in order to get behind Trump and their "team".

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Oh look, another one.

I'm new here, and I want to make a point noting that this is just the internet and I don't take anything personally (so I hope you don't either) but is it typical to have Canadians so concerned about our Presidential candidates that they feel the need to opine? The only knowledge of Canadian politics I've cared enough to learn about in the last 5 years is the failure (and repeal) of your gun registry. But I don't take to the forums balking at how many millions of liters of maple syrup you all had to export to pay for that disaster.

I'm used to the Canadians coming down and giving us the "Back home we do xxxx this way..." but it's usually about bacon or milk - never POTUS.


This has been discussed to death, both in this thread and in others. You'll have to go back about 30 pages though here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/2412050-post298.html
 
Oh for ****s sake give it a rest!! :gun4:

Anyone else on the Republican ticket would have beaten Hillary.

What it shows is that you don't understand the country. You don't win Presidential elections anymore with the angry male white vote. If you want a seat at the table, you come to the middle where the majority is.

Obama got elected a second time because the people who opposed them were too busty catering to people like you, who know more about making up stupid names like a child on a playground than about actually governing.


Obama didn't just win the electoral college, he won the popular vote BOTH TIMES.



And stop whining about the electoral college. That's the way its always been, and it isn't changing. If you want to play the game, learn the rules!

My point about Obama getting a second term is that I can;t believe people actually WANTED it, and voted for it. That shows where we are at.

It wouldn't have mattered if Obama did or did not get the popular vote, nor does it matter for anyone else, the electoral college elects the President, if you think it is all on the up and up- well that's your opinion, you're welcome to it.

If you don't think delegates make decisions based off of $$$, well we will just have to disagree...

Yep, I know it's always been that way and that it likely never to change, doesn't make me any happier about it. And it is obvious the electoral was going to Hilary, and I doubt anyone running against her would have changed that- BECAUSE the GOP is fractured as FVCK.

You make me laugh, as if Romney and McCain weren't RINOS, who were more middle left than middle right. But you've got it all figured out- it's just "people like me" that are at fault- right!!!(Whatever that means and whomever that is- you don't know shit about me bro)...

"Obama got elected a second time because the people who opposed them were too busty catering to people like you, who know more about making up stupid names like a child on a playground than about actually governing. "

Try debating without insinuating people are "children on a playground making up names" it will be more constructive. Thinly veiled insults, there's just no need for them in an adult conversation.

The GOP and the Democratic party BOTH haven't run/backed a candidate worth voting for in a long time. This year its gotten worse than it has ever been.

"Angry white male vote". Ha, sounds like you've been listening to too many talking heads and are repeating their BS rhetoric.

Trump won the primary, big time- do you truly believe it's just a bunch of angry white men, that's it, and everyone else who didn't vote for him in the primary is uber enlightened, calm and non-white?

You give it a rest. People are fed up with the status quo and that's how we got Trump, would have gotten Bernie if Clinton and the DNC didn't work together to torpedo him.

Trump is the result of how massively and genuinely fvcked the system is as a whole.

People are getting fed up with being called names like "angry white male children" "Racist" et cetera when they simply aren't happy with how the country is being run into the ground and want to disrupt the status quo.

Trump likely in't the answer and I'm no fan- but he isn't the problem, he is a result of the problem, a reaction to it. People are fed up bro, they aren't going to the middle, they are being pushed to the extremes.

Both Dems and Repubs fvcked this country up, and they will continue to do so, with their supporters on each side actually believing there is a dimes difference between them and believing their lies for truths.

I'll just raise a glass and sing a song while the ship keeps sinking, have a parade while it all crashes.
 
I'll just raise a glass and sing a song while the ship keeps sinking, have a parade while it all crashes.

Or, you can pack your bag and head out to the boon dock. Live off the grid. Rely on your own two hands and feet (assuming you have all your limbs).

Everything, EVERYTHING, you do the government have their fingerprints on. From the computer or phone you're using now, to the crap you put in your stomach, to the fuel you use for your car (diesel?).

Our government is like anything else in this country. They have, gasp, flaws. I think they do what they do to keep America safe and running as best they can. But they're not perfect by any means.

You don't have to sink with the rest of us. Stop relying on the government and you'll be set free of this oppressive state we're in.

Just sayin...
 
I still don't get why the opinions from people who live outside of this country are met with such disdain. I know that I have opinions on a wide variety of things outside of this country. And while my scope is pretty limited, if I felt there was a discussion that I did have an opinion on, I wouldn't hesitate to speak it.

This is a global economy now more than any other time in human history. And with the United States being one of the more influential (if not the most), I would hope others around the world would keep abreast of what is going on here.
 
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I still don't get why the opinions from people who live outside of this country are met with such disdain. I know that I have opinions on a wide variety of things outside of this country and while my scope is pretty limited, if I felt there was a discussion that I did have an opinion on, I wouldn't hesitate to speak it.

This is a global economy now more than any other time in human history. And with the United States being one of the more influential (if not the most), I would hope others around the world would keep abreast of what is going on here.

It's a lame attempt to diminish them. Much like calling the president a "community organizer" instead of acknowledging his extensive political background.

That's all it is.
 
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I still don't get why the opinions from people who live outside of this country are met with such disdain. I know that I have opinions on a wide variety of things outside of this country and while my scope is pretty limited, if I felt there was a discussion that I did have an opinion on, I wouldn't hesitate to speak it.

This is a global economy now more than any other time in human history. And with the United States being one of the more influential (if not the most), I would hope others around the world would keep abreast of what is going on here.

If you can't stand logic or accommodate a different opinion, grasp at straws and try everything to silence it. Usually it's the one's that tout the constitution that will be the first to allow it to be violated when it suits them.
 
Nice to see some folks on the right waking up.


QFT.

I've been noticing this a lot in the last few years. Any facts presented that the other side doesn't agree with is just hit with a blanket 'liberal media' claim as if that automatically discredits whatever they say.
 
Or, you can pack your bag and head out to the boon dock. Live off the grid. Rely on your own two hands and feet (assuming you have all your limbs).

Everything, EVERYTHING, you do the government have their fingerprints on. From the computer or phone you're using now, to the crap you put in your stomach, to the fuel you use for your car (diesel?).

Our government is like anything else in this country. They have, gasp, flaws. I think they do what they do to keep America safe and running as best they can. But they're not perfect by any means.

You don't have to sink with the rest of us. Stop relying on the government and you'll be set free of this oppressive state we're in.

Just sayin...

You've got it backwards friend- I don't rely on the government, they rely on me.

I do like getting some return on my investment/taxes, albeit a grossly small one and in a lot of ways I do not want or need or use.

I grow most of my own food, make the vast majority of my own beer and wine and cheese, generate most of my own power, hunt for my meat, etc. I barter for most other things and everything else I can't make or trade for I pay for in FRN's.

I realize we need a small limited government, I'm a proponent of a lean mean .gov machine.

I am not a statist, I do not like big government and I do not like crony capitalism.

I have a nice piece of land that's off grid and the goal is to build it up and move there to self sustain.

No one can really ever fully escape the government- unless they go out into the hills where absolutely no one will ever go and live a rigid tough life.

My comment was not literal, I will always fight for what is right and just and won't give up on what My vision is of a better America and a better/smaller government.

I will always rejoice in the good in life, sing a song to raise my spirits, even when everything may be falling apart, I will not allow it to change what or who I am. I will celebrate life and be me, I will never let go of what's important to me and always stand against what is wrong.

Even if things are crashing all around me- I'll live to the fullest no matter what tomorrow holds.

^That's what those words mean to me.
 
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