Another Bilstein 5100 question

[kingofZroad]

Thanks again for all of the help. I'm still deciding if I want 1 in cornfed rear spacers or 1.5 daystar spacers. What's everyone's opinion about which one I should go with?

I was worried about the 1.5" in the back being to "high" (my fronts are set at 2.5"). Glad I went with the 1.5" though, as 1" would have resulted in a "reverse rake" look...

If you are setting the fronts to 2.5", I'd go 1.5" in the rear. If you're only going 1.75" up front, I'd do 1" in the rear...

Phil

 

[Rhino11]

I was worried about the 1.5" in the back being to "high" (my fronts are set at 2.5"). Glad I went with the 1.5" though, as 1" would have resulted in a "reverse rake" look...

If you are setting the fronts to 2.5", I'd go 1.5" in the rear. If you're only going 1.75" up front, I'd do 1" in the rear...

Phil

Phil, do you have will spacers or just running stock on wheels? I am looking to probably throw 285/70s on mine after the lift. Can't decide if I am going to want to change the width with new wheels or not.

 

[E.J.W.]

+1 for the 2.5 & 1.5 set up.
Just finished mine last week, it rides great.
No more feeling like a boxer in the ring; bobbing and weaving my head back and forth while driving. Very nice sporty and firm feel now.
E.

 

[Adriel1417]

To each his own; you are more than welcome to try/do it.... But I'm telling you, somethings not right with that. Either he isn't on the highest setting, or something else is going on. TONS of us have all done this mod, and you WILL HAVE NEGATIVE rake with that setup. Heck, there is approx 1/4 inch negative rake at the 1.75 front setting and nothing in the rear (tho the fenders will look level).

The pics below are 1.75 front (which is NOT the highest setting) and stock rear... And it's level to the eye, but slight negative frame rake.

Again, do as you please, it's your rig, your time, your money. But with a completely stock 4Runner, 5100s at all four corners, and the fronts set to the highest, you will not be level.

What about putting a 2.5 bilstein and a 2 inch rear spring? Cos im planning to do that by next year..

 

[mybabydaddy]

What about putting a 2.5 bilstein and a 2 inch rear spring? Cos im planning to do that by next year..

That is a different story.... Should be fine with that, depending upon what springs you plan on installing. Do a lot of (re)searching, but I know that you can find members who have that setup. Tho, I’d bet most replaced all four springs at the same time.

I, too, will eventually most likely remove the rear spacers and replace the coils to lift, along with front coils to do the lift up there as well (while putting the front shock settings back to normal height)... thereby getting my lift all in the coils, and not by using spacers or pre-loaded shocks. But I’m not in a hurry, and have much more research to do on it first.

 

[CoMtn4Runner]

Also my plan down the road. I will be interested in hearing what you land on when the time comes. I agree on enjoying the set up for now since I just installed the 5100's/spacer recently.

I, too, will eventually most likely remove the rear spacers and replace the coils to lift, along with front coils to do the lift up there as well (while putting the front shock settings back to normal height)... thereby getting my lift all in the coils, and not by using spacers or pre-loaded shocks. But I’m not in a hurry, and have much more research to do on it first.

 

[spawn]

Yep. 1.75 front with 1 inch rear spacers gives it a nice stance (lessens the factory rake), but doesn't really affect DD (that I've noticed anyhow).

Is your rear suspension stock or replaced witj Bilstein too?

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[mybabydaddy]

Is your rear suspension stock or replaced witj Bilstein too?

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I replaced all four shocks with Bilstein 5100 at the same time. I doubt it would have made a huge difference even if I hadn't, but I figured why the heck not since I was already popping things off to install the spacers.

 

[spawn]

I replaced all four shocks with Bilstein 5100 at the same time. I doubt it would have made a huge difference even if I hadn't, but I figured why the heck not since I was already popping things off to install the spacers.

Thanks for the info. I just ordered Bilstein 5100 front. I might get the cornfed and leave the rear stock.

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[Rhino11]

I replaced all four shocks with Bilstein 5100 at the same time. I doubt it would have made a huge difference even if I hadn't, but I figured why the heck not since I was already popping things off to install the spacers.

There would be no need to hold off on an alignment until replacing the rear shocks, would there? I plan to do front 5100s and rear spacer only at first.

 

[mybabydaddy]

There would be no need to hold off on an alignment until replacing the rear shocks, would there? I plan to do front 5100s and rear spacer only at first.

No, I wouldn’t hold off. Any time you mess with the front suspension, most will tell you to get an alignment done as well. Even if it drives straight, usually good to get it done anyhow.

 

[Rhino11]

No, I wouldn’t hold off. Any time you mess with the front suspension, most will tell you to get an alignment done as well. Even if it drives straight, usually good to get it done anyhow.

Awesome. Thank you! Adding the rear shocks shouldn't change things to where I would need another alignment either, correct?

 

[CoMtn4Runner]

This. I luckily was able to get it in the next day and had only driven 20 miles prior to the alignment. My tires would have been roast had I had held off from getting the alignment.

No, I wouldn’t hold off. Any time you mess with the front suspension, most will tell you to get an alignment done as well. Even if it drives straight, usually good to get it done anyhow.

 

[karmatp]

Great info in this thread for a 4 runner newb. Thanks to all who posted.

 

[4runnerFreakz]

Confused

Ok so I know this has been asked here million times, but the more I read the more I am confused, so I will go ahead and ask the question again.

I have 2014 TE. Ordered 5100s Bilsteins for all 4 corners as well as TRD pro rims (springs and everything else is OEM). I am looking to do the install next week and will be running original tires for now.

My 4runner is sitting 34.5" in the front (measured from level ground to the top of the fender) and 37" in the back.

I just want to have it leveled. Online it says that the highest setting on the front Bilsteins provides 2.5" lift, so how come you guys are saying that with the highest settings it will have a reverse rake (34.5 + 2.5 = 37 no??)?

I am not sure what the heck I'm missing, but one thing for sure is that I want to do this once and get it right. I can put rear spacers on while at it, but really would prefer not to do that.

Sorry for being a rookie and appreciate the help. :sorry:

 

[Lawaia]

With the 2.5 setting, your fenders will be level, but the body will have reverse rake.

 

[4runnerFreakz]

Confused

With the 2.5 setting, your fenders will be level, but the body will have reverse rake.

So I am best of going with the 3rd setting (1.75") in front and nothing in the back for more leveled look?

 

[Lawaia]

So I am best of going with the 3rd setting (1.75") in front and nothing in the back for more leveled look?

As previously noted earlier in this thread, the consensus seems to be:

for Bilstein 5100's all around:
.85 front, no lift rear
1.75 front, 1" spacer in rear
2.5 front, 1.5" spacer in rear


still haven't done mine yet, but I'm going to do the 1.75 front, 1" spacer in rear

 

[CoMtn4Runner]

This. You can get away with stock size tires with the first two options but I would suggest bigger tires with the highest setting.

As previously noted earlier in this thread, the consensus seems to be:

for Bilstein 5100's all around:
.85 front, no lift rear
1.75 front, 1" spacer in rear
2.5 front, 1.5" spacer in rear


still haven't done mine yet, but I'm going to do the 1.75 front, 1" spacer in rear

 

[mybabydaddy]

Ok so I know this has been asked here million times, but the more I read the more I am confused, so I will go ahead and ask the question again.



I have 2014 TE. Ordered 5100s Bilsteins for all 4 corners as well as TRD pro rims (springs and everything else is OEM). I am looking to do the install next week and will be running original tires for now.



My 4runner is sitting 34.5" in the front (measured from level ground to the top of the fender) and 37" in the back.



I just want to have it leveled. Online it says that the highest setting on the front Bilsteins provides 2.5" lift, so how come you guys are saying that with the highest settings it will have a reverse rake (34.5 + 2.5 = 37 no??)?



I am not sure what the heck I'm missing, but one thing for sure is that I want to do this once and get it right. I can put rear spacers on while at it, but really would prefer not to do that.



Sorry for being a rookie and appreciate the help. :sorry:

.85 front and stock rear will still have slight rake...

1.75 front and stock rear will level your fenders but actually give you about 1/4 inch negative frame rake

1.75 front and one inch rear spacers will give you same rake as .85 front and no spacers, but lift the ENTIRE truck up a little thereby giving you a slightly lifted look (see my pics)... Still okay to use stock tires IMO.

2.5 front with stock rear will definitely give you negative rake (think off-road racing truck)

2.5 front with one inch rear spacer will give you the fairly level look, but LIFTED, thereby probably making the stock tires look a little small

2.5 front with 1.5 inch rear spacers will yield a little normal rake with a nicely sized lift... Def make the stock sized tires look (too) small.

Wouldn't recommend doing any 2.5 front settings without considering going to larger tires... But that's just my 2 cents...