Anyone care about the new Bronco?

[thennen]

Toyota hasn't adopted turbos because their engine technology is far behind other automakers. It's also why they can't make an in house sports car to save their damn lives.

They make the most dependable vehicles, that's why I've owned them since my first Corolla in 1982. I for one don't care how cutting edge they are because I put so dang many miles on them. I think I would have had to replace the turbo on both my Gen1 and Gen3 4Runners had they been so equipped, just due to the high mileage wearing them out.

 

[thennen]

My current Chevy work truck is at 165k miles with a turbo diesel and no issues with the turbo system. My last Chevy work truck had 250k miles with a turbo diesel and no issues. In fact ive seen over a million miles pulling heavy trailers across the country from sea level to 10k feet and have never had any issues with any components pertaining to the turbo system. That's not to say it never happens, I've seen plenty of trucks on the side of the road and I'm sure some of those are blown turbos, but I've never personally experienced it.
Personally, I'd take one of those baby Duramax 3.0 over this 4.0L any day


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Actually, I was referring to cars/gas engines. I'm no expert or diesel engine mechanic, but I think turbo diesels and turbo gasoline engines are apples and oranges in some ways. Gasoline burns hotter, gas engines run higher RPMs (and their turbos do also), trucks generally have loads of oil in the crankcase which slows break-down of the oil and helps with cooling. And besides, OTR trucks run turbo diesels for a million miles or more. That would never be the case if those turbos created lots of problems. I get it.

So yes, I can believe you've had good experience with turbo diesel trucks. I think you'd be harder-pressed to find large numbers of turbo gas engines in the 250k-plus mileage range. Non-turbo gas engines are more durable and reliable than turbo ones, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Jetboy]

Toyota hasn't adopted turbos because their engine technology is far behind other automakers. It's also why they can't make an in house sports car to save their damn lives.

The 3.5 turbo v6 in the LS is among the best truck gasoline engine I've ever seen. Long stroke, high compression, low rev, gas engine. The power curve is ideal for a truck. It's like a gasoline version of a turbo diesel engine. And Toyota also has the most thermally efficient production engines in the world. The LFA was a pretty decent in-house sports car.

It's not really a capability issue - it's a willingness to actually put the interesting stuff they develop in the high volume models. Toyota could build a great sports car, they just won't. Even using the BMW platform - Toyota's own inhouse turbo 6cyl engines are much more powerful, more efficient, and more durable than the BMW engine. But they won't use it. They could have fantastic engine options in the 4Runner. The Toyota parts bin is full of them. A 3.5L turbo? A 4.5L turbo diesel? A 2.8L turbo diesel? An ultra efficient 5.0L v8? Yep. All in the parts bin.

But will they put them in a 4Runner? Nope. Instead Toyota chose a 6 speed transmission, but only put a 5 speed valve body on it, so they can only use 5 gears of the 6 gears. And an ancient v6. That's it. It's all you get. oh - you want an update? Sure, how about a special color? A color matched cooler and unpainted door handles? Done.

Toyota is frequently the world's first in automotive advancements. And then... they sit on them about 20 years until it's the industry standard and finally they'll actually start rolling it out for the masses. Toyota built the world's first 8 speed automatic transmission. And... they've put it in what? A few Lexus models, sold some to Cadillac, and a low production land cruiser, and now the highlander. But not in any of their high volume models over a decade later. Toyota has a 10 speed too. That's in about zero models.

That's why I'm looking for something new. It's WAY past time for the 4Runner to get some updates. And it's not really the body or the platform. It's the drive train. It's 2-3 generations out of date. I did read that the 6th gen 4Runner might drop the 8 track and install a modern cassette deck! So that's something to get excited about.

 

[LandCruiser]

The 3.5 turbo v6 in the LS is among the best truck gasoline engine I've ever seen. Long stroke, high compression, low rev, gas engine. The power curve is ideal for a truck. It's like a gasoline version of a turbo diesel engine. And Toyota also has the most thermally efficient production engines in the world. The LFA was a pretty decent in-house sports car.

It's not really a capability issue - it's a willingness to actually put the interesting stuff they develop in the high volume models. Toyota could build a great sports car, they just won't. Even using the BMW platform - Toyota's own inhouse turbo 6cyl engines are much more powerful, more efficient, and more durable than the BMW engine. But they won't use it. They could have fantastic engine options in the 4Runner. The Toyota parts bin is full of them. A 3.5L turbo? A 4.5L turbo diesel? A 2.8L turbo diesel? An ultra efficient 5.0L v8? Yep. All in the parts bin.

But will they put them in a 4Runner? Nope. Instead Toyota chose a 6 speed transmission, but only put a 5 speed valve body on it, so they can only use 5 gears of the 6 gears. And an ancient v6. That's it. It's all you get. oh - you want an update? Sure, how about a special color? A color matched cooler and unpainted door handles? Done.

Toyota is frequently the world's first in automotive advancements. And then... they sit on them about 20 years until it's the industry standard and finally they'll actually start rolling it out for the masses. Toyota built the world's first 8 speed automatic transmission. And... they've put it in what? A few Lexus models, sold some to Cadillac, and a low production land cruiser, and now the highlander. But not in any of their high volume models over a decade later. Toyota has a 10 speed too. That's in about zero models.

That's why I'm looking for something new. It's WAY past time for the 4Runner to get some updates. And it's not really the body or the platform. It's the drive train. It's 2-3 generations out of date. I did read that the 6th gen 4Runner might drop the 8 track and install a modern cassette deck! So that's something to get excited about.

I like the simplicity of 5th gen, but it literally wouldn't have killed them to put one of their bigger engines and a 6 speed in it.

And not doing something when you can do it well is like not doing it at all. That's why the Supra sucks.

Also, lol at all the people on this forum screaming "I want it to last 275k miles!!!111" as they wind up trading their 2015 for a 2020 TRD Pro after less than 55k miles, anyway.

 

[Inv4drZm]

Some of their Lexus V8 motors and drivetrains are sick.

Their Toyota stuff, not so much. Would kill to have a new 5 liter in a 4Runner or entry level rwd sports car.

 

[Jetboy]

I like the simplicity of 5th gen, but it literally wouldn't have killed them to put one of their bigger engines and a 6 speed in it.

And not doing something when you can do it well is like not doing it at all. That's why the Supra sucks.

Also, lol at all the people on this forum screaming "I want it to last 275k miles!!!111" as they wind up trading their 2015 for a 2020 TRD Pro after less than 55k miles, anyway.

Totally agree. Would it be so hard to have just put the 4.6 v8 in it? That's what everyone wants. And building a 6 speed automatic but only using 5 gears bugs the shit out of me for some reason.

I'm not saving mine for the next owner, but I'm also probably not going to keep it to 200k miles like my last one.

 

[mscot]

Until I moved to CA, my 4Runner was heavily used on CO and WY fire roads and in extreme conditions. .

Oddly I'm the exact opposite. Did a good bit of desert and Mtn fire roads while in So Cal. have barely done anything since moving to CO.
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[Mikey2020]

I'm looking forward to this coming out. This might seem strange to some folks, but I'm hoping it will have a 3rd row option. I'm one of those few people that actually need a true Sport Utility Vehicle. I want good offroad ability for 'Sport' on the weekends, and 3rd row functionality for 'Utility' during the week.
The 4Runner fits the bill nicely and the only other real competitors at this time are Land Rovers.

Sadly, my 3rd gen 4Runner is rusting away to nothing and my 4th gen has become an unreliable maintenance nightmare, so I'm getting ready to jump ship if something else comes along that meets my needs/wants. Maybe the Bronco will make that happen??

I'm the same. Need the third row for daily duties, and the off the beaten path ability for weekend duties, and this really narrowed down the field of potential cars.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is much chance the bronco has a third row option. I could be wrong, but everything I have read seems to point towards no 3rd row.

I considered waiting to see before I pulled the trigger on my 4runner, but ultimately couldn't wait any longer. The land Rover defender is another option, which also isn't out yet. That at least has confirmed a 3rd row option. Land rovers don't really have a good reputation in the reliability column, which makes it tough since I think this is probably a main reason we are all Toyota drivers

 

[Thebeastlives]

I'm the same. Need the third row for daily duties, and the off the beaten path ability for weekend duties, and this really narrowed down the field of potential cars.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is much chance the bronco has a third row option. I could be wrong, but everything I have read seems to point towards no 3rd row.

I considered waiting to see before I pulled the trigger on my 4runner, but ultimately couldn't wait any longer. The land Rover defender is another option, which also isn't out yet. That at least has confirmed a 3rd row option. Land rovers don't really have a good reputation in the reliability column, which makes it tough since I think this is probably a main reason we are all Toyota drivers

yes good luck with that land rover now I believe it is owned by an india car manufacturer. Even when they were British owned they were dismal in the reliablity dept but had decent tech. So much has changed with the land rover, good tech, updated technology and style but still not worth buying unless you r willing to sale cheap in a few years.


The 5th gen 4 runner is still better than any thing on the market when it comes to overall reliability, comfort, performance and price. It doesn't hold a candle to my bmw x5 v8 turbo (sold) for performance and luxury but it sure can take the family and dogs to places that only true 4wd can and still get back home get a bath and go out on the town. My old 300,000+ mile 3rd gen was the only option I had before it. Now following my brother and other built wranglers up miller jeep trail or more serious terrain in the sierra Nevada mtns isn't a problem plus I get much better mpg than they do on the hwy. When I go to reddington pass and whether I go down 3 feathers or up it with a good spotter the 5th gen makes it every time. These 5th gens properly equipped make a fabulous true 4wd vehicle and still maintain that solid Toyota reliability. If I wanted more luxury I would have gotten the gx460 but would have lost some of the offroad capability of the 4runner.

If there is terrain that is just so bad I don't take the 5th gen it is because the likelihood of body damage is high or I just don't want to tear up a 40k+ vehicle not because it isnt capable. Ski trips, serious back country 4wd trips, towing 4000 lb trailer and utv, decent mpg, big dog friendly (rolling rear window), and fabulous looks dirty or clean to me makes the 4 runner pretty much the top mid size non luxury true 4wd SUV on the market.

 

[techno]

...The land Rover defender is another option, which also isn't out yet. That at least has confirmed a 3rd row option. ...s

I'm looking forward to seeing these in person. I'm very disappointed with the price range they're in as I was hoping they would be smart and make it competitive with Jeep and Toyota, but alas... Maybe I'll just wait another year and see if used ones appear for $15-20k less, lol.

 

[Jetboy]

Fwiw - I really like how the new Defender looks. I wouldn't ever seriously consider buying it - because it's a land rover. But I think it's pretty spot on in terms of style. Especially if you photoshop an ARB front bumper. The styling just works for me.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

Fwiw - I really like how the new Defender looks. I wouldn't ever seriously consider buying it - because it's a land rover. But I think it's pretty spot on in terms of style. Especially if you photoshop an ARB front bumper. The styling just works for me.

Land Rover 'Quality' now made in China? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[LandCruiser]

Land Rover 'Quality' now made in China? What could possibly go wrong?

Reminds me when GM was all excited about opening up the market to China and selling Buick over there, Chicoms love Buicks for reasons unknown, and we got some Chinese made pig-iron V6 in American market GM vehicles that didn't make its advertised horsepower output and only seemed to be good at generating oil puddles and heat.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

Reminds me when GM was all excited about opening up the market to China and selling Buick over there, Chicoms love Buicks for reasons unknown, and we got some Chinese made pig-iron V6 in American market GM vehicles that didn't make its advertised horsepower output and only seemed to be good at generating oil puddles and heat.

Seriously. I see more companies are making more and more cars in China for sale in the US... it it always seems to be companies with already dodgy reputations for quality. Hard pass.

 

[Ogre75]

Meh... Right now I'm leaning towards thinking Ford found a use for a whole lotta surplus Ford Flex's

 

[patkelly4370]

I just bought my 4runner. So not looking at another vehicle.

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[benhalleniii]

Sir, this is an Arby's.

 

[MrSeth]

Eh. I wish it came with a 5.0 Coyote, I also wish it didn't look so much like a Jeep! I have no idea about reliability, but I doubt these will be wheeled much.

 

[brianjasinski2003]

Yes I am looking forward to seeing it on the road

 

[teldel]

Yes I am looking forward to seeing it on the road

Interested, but it has been too long in the making. Has to be more reliable than a FCA vehicle (hopefully)

What's the price range for the full size one?