BALL JOINTS: Sankei 555 (Moog/Raybestos) Poor Quality/Design Flaw??? My Findings...

nobb

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I know there are already a gazillion threads on this topic for our notorious lower ball joints, but I thought I would share my findings and get your thoughts and experiences on this issue. I had the chance recently to inspect some Raybestos lower ball joints. They came in a generic white box with a Raybestos sticker on it, but the actual joints themselves are branded Sankei 555. Many people claim that Sankei is the manufacturer of the OEM joints, and as such, they are good quality. I will argue against this as I've also had the opportunity to compare brand new Toyota OEM joints with the Sankei. As some background info, it appears that these Sankei 555 joints are also resold by Moog, Raybestos, Napa Premium Chassis, and Beck/Arnley.

When I inspected the Sankei 555 joint, I was impressed by the greaseable design and also the fact that the dust cap had a little opening for excess grease to come out. However, that was where my positive impressions ended. The dust boot itself felt thin (like it could puncture easily) in comparison to the NOK japanese branded rubber boot on the OEM joint.

I'm no grease expert, but I'll also comment on the grease differences between the OEM and aftermarket joints. The aftermarket joint has a yellow sticky grease (as pictured) which resembles the generic lithium grease you would get when you buy a grease gun and they give you some free grease. This transparent color suggests to me that this grease does not have much in terms of extreme pressure (moly) additives. The OEM joint uses a white grease which appears to be soap (sodium) based. If it is indeed a soap grease, then it would have excellent water repelling and shock loading properties, as well as being very "sticky" in regards to not being pushed out from contacting surfaces. Once again, I am not a grease expert so don't take my word on this. Just my observations and thoughts.

However, the most troubling finding is the movement of the joint itself. When I moved the ball piece, I noticed a TERRIBLE amount of resistance. Almost as if the ball was grinding inside the socket. It just FEELS like metal on metal contact and in my opinion, this will cause heat buildup and wear. And it is NOT a smooth type of resistance either. It was notchy, uneven resistance. In comparison, the new Toyota OEM joints have a smooth fluid movement.

I was curious as to what causes so much uneven resistance so I took the grease boot off and inspected. What I found was that the ball had a grease channel cut in to allow for grease to be evenly distributed inside the joint. The OEM ball joint does not have this feature. This grease channel could be what is causing the grinding. I cannot say for certain, however.

But what I DID find was very interesting. I will let the following pictures speak for themselves:
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Note the scratches/scuff marks on the ball? I literally created those scratches on the fly JUST BY MOVING THE BALL IN THE SOCKET at most maybe 20 times. So if I was able to create those scratches just by moving the ball by hand, imagine what is happening when these joints are installed on a moving vehicle and the suspension is constantly going up and down. I did NOT notice this to be a problem with the Toyota OEM joints.

This can't be normal, so I would like to hear your experiences and opinions of these Sankei 555/Raybestos/Napa/Moog joints. Is this the final nail in the coffin as to why you should only buy OEM? Am I overreacting?
 
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I am not sure if Sankei is really the manufacturer of the OEM joints because they are completely different than any Sankei branded joint. eg

HERE is what I learned from talking to someone who owns a Toyota repair shop and orders parts.

1) There rarely a sole distributor for ANY Toyota part. Meaning one year Koyo had the contract to manufacture the radiator for the 4Runner. Toyota bought from them. A few years later it was another manufacturer. The SAME thing exists for nearly all parts on a 4Runner.

2) As long as a manufacturer was at one point a direct supplier for Toyota for that exact part (eg Koyo radiator), then you can buy that part directly from the manufacturer with confidence.

3) So given this example say Koyo...
Keep me posted. Mine are rusty too. It appears superficial though

I received this:
“ Hi,

The tie rods and ball joints we sell are made by 555 from Japan. They are OEM quality. The only difference is they come bare metal, or not painted, which is why they are cheaper than OEM. It is normal for bare metal to rust quickly in humid areas, such as Texas.

Thank you

--
Dillon Charles
Sales/Tech Representative”

I guess that means I’ll be uninstalling, painting, and reinstalling or buying OEM. I think, if this is true, they should put that in the description.
 
Is it true OEM LBJ’s still have “555” marked on them? Pretty sure I read that somewhere. Shop I took it to was an employee of my father’s way back in the day. I insisted on OEM. And paid for that. Upon picking truck up he insisted LBJ OTRE and End links were all OEM. Truck was there over weekend so I assumed he went to Toyota dealership for parts. I told him about the importance of going OEM in these trucks and the LBJ failure thing. But I remember seeing ‘555’ stamped on them after install and him mentioning greasing somewhere before I left??? Hasn’t been a year and there’s a lot of surface rust and I’m in SF Bay Area. I provided part numbers and everything. It was last second thing, dad was bringing his Mercedes there for other work and said he’d cover my stuff too. Or else I would have ordered parts myself and done it at another time. $500 was initially my cost including labor. But of course my dad insisted on a huge tip for both cars afterwards.

Anyway if there’s something to look for to know for sure, please let a brother know! I’m lifting it soon and will be doing light off-roading and want to know. I would also have a bone to pick with this guy.
Toyota OEM ball joints don't have 555 stamped on them
 
I received this:
“ Hi,

The tie rods and ball joints we sell are made by 555 from Japan. They are OEM quality. The only difference is they come bare metal, or not painted, which is why they are cheaper than OEM. It is normal for bare metal to rust quickly in humid areas, such as Texas.

Thank you

--
Dillon Charles
Sales/Tech Representative”

I guess that means I’ll be uninstalling, painting, and reinstalling or buying OEM. I think, if this is true, they should put that in the description.
Who cares about surface rust? You should care about the internal construction of the ball joint - of which only OEM is done to OEM standards.

Sometimes you can get better options aftermarket - in this case you can't.

-Charlie
 
I received this:
“ Hi,

The tie rods and ball joints we sell are made by 555 from Japan. They are OEM quality. The only difference is they come bare metal, or not painted, which is why they are cheaper than OEM. It is normal for bare metal to rust quickly in humid areas, such as Texas.

Thank you

--
Dillon Charles
Sales/Tech Representative”

I guess that means I’ll be uninstalling, painting, and reinstalling or buying OEM. I think, if this is true, they should put that in the description.




"OEM quality"....you read and hear that so much even on total crap parts
 
555 NEVER makes parts for TOYOTA, or better put TOYOTA will NEVER use 555 parts as those are NOT even a bit close to Toyota quality.

555 will fail in 20K miles as experienced by my friend's 03 tacoma. OEM 200K Miles (i've experienced). The difference is NOT the paint! but the Quality and material.

For the past 30 years experience with Toyota and their parts, I am yet to find an aftermarket manufacturer making a better part than any of the toyota part.
 
Thanks everyone for this thread. I just had mine done this week.
Be sure to buy directly from a Toyota dealer. I've had two mechanics, one VERY reputable, say that the distributor they ordered from listed the Sankei's as "OEM". They are not the same part. If you work with an independent mechanic, be sure they order DIRECTLY from a Toyota dealer. Both mechanics were surprised to hear the difference. And yes, each LBJ is in the $160-$190 range.
 
Thanks everyone for this thread. I just had mine done this week.
Be sure to buy directly from a Toyota dealer. I've had two mechanics, one VERY reputable, say that the distributor they ordered from listed the Sankei's as "OEM". They are not the same part. If you work with an independent mechanic, be sure they order DIRECTLY from a Toyota dealer. Both mechanics were surprised to hear the difference. And yes, each LBJ is in the $160-$190 range.
If you get them from a stealership, yeah. They're closer to $100 everywhere else.
 
I know this is an old thread but for anyone seeing this, please don't run aftermarket lower ball joints from any brand and STRICTLY go with the OEM ball joint units from either a dealership or a reputable Toyota website.
 
These shouldn’t even be legal to sell.

Just the way free market works. Look at guns - there are numerous companies that knowingly sell firearms which have a long history of detonating and permanently injuring it's users, yet nothing is done. Inter Ordinance is the forefront of this if you want an example.
Chances are they will continue to sell faulty and shoddy parts until the government forces them to shut down, which is much easier said than done.
 

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