Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

[TexasFunRunner]

I am really conflicted about what to purchase. That GX looks good so far, but the TX is probably better for our family.
The problem is, at least once a month, I need a truck - or at least that roll down window I have with the 4R.
Not just for house stuff, but I do woodworking on the side. That means I'm often dropping the window so 8'+ boards can stick out the back, and occasionally that means I need to throw some sheets of play on the 4R's roof rack (its the only reason I've kept the LFD rack tbh).
I dont know how I would achieve that with a TX and I really don't want to have to store a trailer.
Our garage is only 20' deep so that rules out full-size trucks.
I looked at the GMC Canyon Denali - it may work, but I've not had a domestic car in 30 years.
I also looked for a used 70s or 80s truck and they either require $1000s in work or are in the high teens and low twenties.

I've become a soccer/snowboard dad instead of an offroad dad so I have no need for the GX but damn its looking good.

Same use case here for lumber, this is my truck.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/load-n-go-truck-rental/316822131
Or, depending on load size:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/T250-Flatbed-Truck-load-n-go-t250-rental/316822000

 

[mscot]

Same use case here, this is my truck.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/load-n-go-truck-rental/316822131

Or, depending on load size:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/rental/T250-Flatbed-Truck-load-n-go-t250-rental/316822000

I hear you, and I have considered that. But the time spent renting takes up so much of your day, almost makes up for the additional car payment!
Every time I've rented a trailer it's taken close to two hours between pick up and drop off. Also, I don't buy wood from HD. I go to Austin Hardwoods for most of my builds.

I saw someone on Craigslist selling this folding trailer that Lifetime used to manufacturer. If he was asking a more realistic price I would have considered it.

 

[AggieOE]

The windshield looks tall! It seems most manufacturers are tossing out visibility for the sake of raked windshields and sleek designs.

 

[AZ Craig]

I am really conflicted about what to purchase. That GX looks good so far, but the TX is probably better for our family.
The problem is, at least once a month, I need a truck - or at least that roll down window I have with the 4R.
Not just for house stuff, but I do woodworking on the side. That means I'm often dropping the window so 8'+ boards can stick out the back, and occasionally that means I need to throw some sheets of ply on the 4R's roof rack (its the only reason I've kept the LFD rack tbh).
I dont know how I would achieve that with a TX and I really don't want to have to store a trailer.
Our garage is only 20' deep so that rules out full-size trucks.
I looked at the GMC Canyon Denali - it may work, but I've not had a domestic car in 30 years.
I also looked for a used 70s or 80s truck and they either require $1000s in work or are in the high teens and low twenties.

I've become a soccer/snowboard dad instead of an offroad dad so I have no need for the GX but damn its looking good.

There were some theories that the GX teaser of the rear window suggested it may have flip up glass (and that it would open separately from the whole tailgate like the current generation). I agree flipped up windows are not quite as good as the roll-down for carrying long objects, but they work in a pinch from what I've seen, especially if you don't have to go too far.

I used to do that in our Jeep Wrangler Unlimited periodically.

As for the GM trucks, to be honest I'd probably not be worried to get one. I'm not sure of the latest reliability on them but have generally heard good things. We owned a 2004 Silverado and a 2008 GMC Envoy. The Envoy was eh, but the Silverado was pretty bullet proof. Only vehicle we've brought to over 100K miles in the last 20 years to be honest.

 

[Jetboy]

The GX looks great to me. Going on the assumption that it has the TTv6 - it's a home run for Lexus. The only thing they're still hiding is tire size. If the new Land Cruiser has the same general body shape, I think it'll be a good looking model as well. Just need to see what the hardware is. But the GX is going to be pretty great.

The more I see of the TX and GX the more I'm convinced the LX has no real place in the lineup.

 

[mscot]

The more I see of the TX and GX the more I'm convinced the LX has no real place in the lineup.

Its for wealthy immigrants flossing.

 

[AZ Craig]

Its for wealthy immigrants flossing.

Seriously. I saw one ad for it which made it look like Lexus is targeting corporate executive folks with it more than anything. "Project your success with your $120K truck you don't need!"

 

[Jetboy]

I'm just not sure anyone knows that it's an LX vs a TX. If they do it's only a very small group of people like us who would know the difference. Especially compared to the TX that may look very similar and be bigger, most people would see that as the more premium version.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I think even more now that the LX600 should have been a Sequoia not a LC300. Then we wouldn't be discussing this at all. It would be clear that it was the top dog.

 

[phillyd2]

Cautiously optimistic about the new GX but am now wondering if there’s going to be a need / market for the rumored Prado coming to North America.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Cautiously optimistic about the new GX but am now wondering if there’s going to be a need / market for the rumored Prado coming to North America.

Yes and yes, the Land Cruiser version will be revealed this fall, it's targeted at a different demographic.

 

[KimchiJae]

There were some theories that the GX teaser of the rear window suggested it may have flip up glass (and that it would open separately from the whole tailgate like the current generation). I agree flipped up windows are not quite as good as the roll-down for carrying long objects, but they work in a pinch from what I've seen, especially if you don't have to go too far.

I used to do that in our Jeep Wrangler Unlimited periodically.

As for the GM trucks, to be honest I'd probably not be worried to get one. I'm not sure of the latest reliability on them but have generally heard good things. We owned a 2004 Silverado and a 2008 GMC Envoy. The Envoy was eh, but the Silverado was pretty bullet proof. Only vehicle we've brought to over 100K miles in the last 20 years to be honest.

I don't think its a theory. You can see the button in the bottom left hand rear window to release it just like the current GX.

 

[phillyd2]

Yes and yes, the Land Cruiser version will be revealed this fall, it's targeted at a different demographic.

Differentiating the 4R and GX seems obvious enough but adding the LC (if it’s inline with the current Prado) is where it doesn’t seem as obvious.

4R - basic
GX - more upscale

Where do you see the same size LC fitting in now that the GX does appear to get rid of the emasculating body skirts?

 

[mscot]

My hunch:

GX will compete with Discovery and Defender
LC will compete with Jeep/Bronco
4R will remain in the segment it is currently in.

 

[Jetboy]

Cautiously optimistic about the new GX but am now wondering if there’s going to be a need / market for the rumored Prado coming to North America.

Between the GX and the Trail Hunter 4Runner - it's hard to see where the LC fits in the middle. But it must have some special sauce we don't know about. Otherwise:

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Differentiating the 4R and GX seems obvious enough but adding the LC (if it’s inline with the current Prado) is where it doesn’t seem as obvious.

4R - basic
GX - more upscale

Where do you see the same size LC fitting in now that the GX does appear to get rid of the emasculating body skirts?

The Land Cruiser will slot into being more off road focused, to be competitive with the Jeep Rubicon and Bronco Badlands. And before anyone says it, regardless if it has a removable top or not, there are plenty of us that would never remove the top anyway.

All three, GX, Land Cruiser and 4Runner, will have their own unique features, looks and be targeted at different demographics and owner use cases. Toyota wants a slice of each piece of the market.

 

[AZ Craig]

The Land Cruiser will slot into being more off road focused, to be competitive with the Jeep Rubicon and Bronco Badlands. And before anyone says it, regardless if it has a removable top or not, there are plenty of us that would never remove the top anyway.

All three, GX, Land Cruiser and 4Runner, will have their own unique features, looks and be targeted at different demographics and owner use cases. Toyota wants a slice of each piece of the market.

Exactly, rather cannibalize your own sales than not capture them at all and have a competitor sell a vehicle to your potential customer.

We had our 2012 Jeep for just over 4 years. In the time I had it, I think I had the whole hard top off it once (admittedly, I did take the front panels off periodically). I personally couldn't take the dust that built up in the vehicle (probably worse in Arizona but pretty typical of western climates), plus I felt like I was going to get skin cancer .

Arizona is a crappy market for any type of convertible though (despite the fact at first glance you would think otherwise).

 

[phillyd2]

The Land Cruiser will slot into being more off road focused, to be competitive with the Jeep Rubicon and Bronco Badlands. And before anyone says it, regardless if it has a removable top or not, there are plenty of us that would never remove the top anyway.

All three, GX, Land Cruiser and 4Runner, will have their own unique features, looks and be targeted at different demographics and owner use cases. Toyota wants a slice of each piece of the market.

Then the only way that makes any sense is if it’s nothing like the Prado. There has been some rumors of some sort of J70 type making a return to Japan but then they would need to do a decent amount of work to upscale it for the North American market. That would be very interesting indeed but a completely different animal all together.

As it stands now 99% of 4R and even Jeep owners don’t go off road other than maybe a dirt road once a year. And a true J70ish LC would be awesome but also very niche, appealing to a very few of us.

The LC Prado, new Lexus GX and Toyota 4Runner will just be too similar as they are to coexist in one market. The only caveat is if they neuter the next 4R to be just a slightly larger Highlander but there’s almost zero chance of that happening.

 

[phillyd2]

Between the GX and the Trail Hunter 4Runner - it's hard to see where the LC fits in the middle. But it must have some special sauce we don't know about. Otherwise:

Agreed but Tex seems sure of something with his declarative statements - just trying to get to what that something is.

 

[Dave Z]

The 4Runner is going to be a SUV version of the Tacoma, being built in the same factory (freeing up production for GX/LX/LC) Basically, what the Tacoma looks like will be the 4Runner with slight modifications.
The Land Cruiser is going to be a similar to the GX but Toyota; similar to other vehicles that cross-over. (Rav4 to NX, Camry to ES, Highlander to TX, etc.) The GX will be better equipped but the LC will be top SUV dog at Toyota.

 

[phillyd2]

The 4Runner is going to be a SUV version of the Tacoma, being built in the same factory (freeing up production for GX/LX/LC) Basically, what the Tacoma looks like will be the 4Runner with slight modifications.
The Land Cruiser is going to be a similar to the GX but Toyota; similar to other vehicles that cross-over. (Rav4 to NX, Camry to ES, Highlander to TX, etc.) The GX will be better equipped but the LC will be top SUV dog at Toyota.

Not so sure. The 4R has turned into a golden goose and I think Toyota has already said that it will be made in Japan and that they are committed to the platform and market demographics as it is today.

Lexus caters to a different demographics, hence the TX, so I would guess that the new GX will now be more of a niche offering for them - appealing to owner aspirations. Take a look at many commercials these days, everyone from Hyundai to Chevy pickup trucks are all pushing off road driving.