Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

[AZ Craig]

My life was different when I bought my 4Runner than it is now. I used to go exploring fairly frequently. It made sense then but doesn't now.

I think this applies to many of us who are not yet in a "settled" phase of their life. I've found the transition to 1 kid and then 2 kids to really disrupt both your vehicle needs and your lifestyle. You can try your best to keep it up, but it's never 100% possible.

For instance, we actually stomached our VW Golf R with an infant and then rear facing car seat with a single kid. My wife had to ride in the passenger seat though to make it work and it was TIGHT. Once we knew we were going to have a second kid though, we knew we had to go a bit larger for our second vehicle. Now our problem is that if people come to visit us when we want to move around the family of 4 plus additional folks, it's actually most comfortable if we take two cars (which is just stupid).

The fact that the VW was over 60K mileage, running out of warranty and had some issues made it an easy decision to unload it though .

 

[AZ Craig]

Other non BOF Toyotas will give you that reliability. If not off-roading (real, not just dirt roads) and towing more than very casually then it makes zero sense to go with a BOF. Other options will always be better much at hauling people on pavement.

Agree 100%. I think I've said it before and I'll say it again, probably 90 percent of 4Runner owners would be better off with a Highlander or potentially now a Grand Highlander. I've never been in the 3rd row seat of a 4Runner, but I imagine it's not much better than the standard Highlander. The Grand takes care of that issue.

The majority of 4Runners are bought due to a combination of reliability and/or image I'd say.

 

[phillyd2]

Agree 100%. I think I've said it before and I'll say it again, probably 90 percent of 4Runner owners would be better off with a Highlander or potentially now a Grand Highlander. I've never been in the 3rd row seat of a 4Runner, but I imagine it's not much better than the standard Highlander. The Grand takes care of that issue.

The majority of 4Runners are bought due to a combination of reliability and/or image I'd say.

Number has to be above 95%. Judging from all of the kitted out Jeeps, TRDs and now Broncos there appears to be no shortage of money being spent on vanity.

 

[AZ Craig]

Number has to be above 95%. Judging from all of the kitted out Jeeps, TRDs and now Broncos there appears to be no shortage of money being spent on vanity.

Realistically it's probably about 99%, maybe a bit closer to 95% in a place like Arizona or Colorado where you can literally go do decent off-roading less than an hour from home often.

My neighbor has a kitted out Wrangler Unlimited (lift, winch, 20 inch wheels with 37s I think). Every time I see him I give him a hard time about it never leaving pavement.

His previous two rides were a BMW 750 and a S-Class .

 

[Jetboy]

I'm in the same situation as a lot of the millennial gen folks. 4Runner was fantastic until the second kid and lifestyle changes. I still try to get out as much as I can, but there's about a 10 year period where all of that gets put on hold. I wanted more room. And camping changed from remote adventures and backpacking to campgrounds in a travel trailer mostly. My solution for now was a Tundra Crewmax and a UTV. Tundra is pretty terrible off road beyond the fire roads. And it gets terrible mileage which starts to matter a bit where I live in Alaska right now. Everything is a log drive. So, every weekend trip somewhere is a few hundred dollars. With fuel costs up here - I spend around $8-10k per year in gas for the Tundra alone. The 27mpg for the new LC250 looks pretty good in comparison! I just don't think it'll tow my trailer very well or have enough room. Interior looks just like the 4Runner in size. Maybe smaller. If it were the size of the Grand Highlander and could be designed with somewhat similar interior space and packaging - it would be perfect to me. Basically - if Toyota made a sequoia that was designed to be functional - that would be great.

 

[mscot]

If the only people that purchased these vehicles were the people that “needed” these vehicles then they wouldn’t be manufactured. So be thankful for the pavement princesses.

 

[phillyd2]

If the only people that purchased these vehicles were the people that “needed” these vehicles then they wouldn’t be manufactured. So be thankful for the pavement princesses.

Ha. Same with accessories. Remembering back when the 5th Gen was released and we had to arrange group buys from Australia so yeah, thankful.

Not understanding why so many people do something is not the same as stopping them from doing it. It’s just weird.

 

[mscot]

Not understanding why so many people do something is not the same as stopping them from doing it. It’s just weird.

Well, keep in mind that the 4Runner is the last SUV that is basically a truck without a bed.
While I don't offroad much anymore, if at all, I treat it as a utility vehicle. Throw a moving blanket in the back and buy a bunch of shrubs and not worry about dirt or scratches. Go to the lumber yard for some nice walnut and roll the window down to let it stick out the back. I've carried 4 sheets of plywood on my racks. That's actually the only thing the LFD racks are used for nowadays as I didn't even put the snowboard racks on last season, just threw the boards in the back.

I know you're not questioning me as much as regular folks that just drive it as their family car. But there are advantages of the 4R beyond an offroad vehicle.

 

[phillyd2]

Well, keep in mind that the 4Runner is the last SUV that is basically a truck without a bed.
While I don't offroad much anymore, if at all, I treat it as a utility vehicle. Throw a moving blanket in the back and buy a bunch of shrubs and not worry about dirt or scratches. Go to the lumber yard for some nice walnut and roll the window down to let it stick out the back. I've carried 4 sheets of plywood on my racks. That's actually the only thing the LFD racks are used for nowadays as I didn't even put the snowboard racks on last season, just threw the boards in the back.

I know you're not questioning me as much as regular folks that just drive it as their family car. But there are advantages of the 4R beyond an offroad vehicle.

A pickup would do everything mentioned even better

And no, it's not personal to anybody - just a general observation along with a good natured eyeroll.

There have been times when I talked to a Jeep or TRD owner with all the bolts and say something like

"You know what that thing really needs?"
"What?"
"A scratch"

 

[mscot]

A pickup would do everything mentioned even better

And no, it's not personal to anybody - just a general observation along with a good natured eyeroll.

There have been times when I talked to a Jeep or TRD owner with all the bolts and say something like

"You know what that thing really needs?"
"What?"
"A scratch"

:roll:

I've looked at every mid-size truck and none of them have the legroom in the rear seats that the 4Runner has. I can't fit a fullsize in my garage.

 

[balong48]

:roll:

I've looked at every mid-size truck and none of them have the legroom in the rear seats that the 4Runner has. I can't fit a fullsize in my garage.

Yep. I've wanted a pickup truck, don't need a full size, and the rear seat legroom of midsize trucks don't come close to the 4Runner.

 

[westwind77]

This waiting is killing me....I wish Toyota would release some/any information. Waiting this long can't be good for their sales either. The current 4R is so 'out-of-date' and if we (I) knew something new was coming I would hold off purchasing something else. I plan to purchase something before the new year if I do not see any indication of a new '24 4R. There are so many 'experts' out there when you type 2024 4Runner into google and each one of them has their own predictions.

I read and watched a few who said the rear window roll down will most likely be removed. Pretty much all other SUV's with 'pop open' rear windows have all been replaced with fixed ones, they suspect the same with the new 4Runner...of course no proof.

I really have enjoyed my 4R, and especially the reliability, but it is time to get something new. I would love it to be another 4R, but at some point I can't chase the carrot anymore.

 

[MAST4R]

Agree 100%. I've never been in the 3rd row seat of a 4Runner, but I imagine it's not much better than the standard Highlander. The Grand takes care of that issue.
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It is completely worthless; I have had a peak. Especially here in AZ, given the 4R's mediocre A/C. Our Tribeca also has a pathetic 3rd row BUT it has phenomenal A/C with roof vents over 2nd and 3rd row. The 4R is a joke in comparison (as are 2-row Subarus).

I'm in the same situation as a lot of the millennial gen folks. 4Runner was fantastic until the second kid and lifestyle changes. .

This may be a rare instant when I disagree with you. We actually have done great with 2 kids, a German Shephard, the 4R and a lightweight cargo trailer. On a 7,000 mile trip to the Canadian Rockies this summer, I managed 18 mpg. The trip included 600 dirt miles though there are no 4x4 trails in the Canadian Rockies that we found, just some muddy ends of logging roads.

So I would say that it is entirely possible to do well with 2 kinds and a 4R. And we do pack LOTS of stuff. If we do the Maze or the Needles, then we cannot have the dog anyway. For CO, we do day trips off a base camp, so no issues.

We have done Utah camping trips, including 40 miles of muddy Cottonwood Canyon road with a Subaru Tribeca, no pets, and no trailer (with a roof carrier).

 

[AZ Craig]

This waiting is killing me....I wish Toyota would release some/any information. Waiting this long can't be good for their sales either. The current 4R is so 'out-of-date' and if we (I) knew something new was coming I would hold off purchasing something else. I plan to purchase something before the new year if I do not see any indication of a new '24 4R. There are so many 'experts' out there when you type 2024 4Runner into google and each one of them has their own predictions.

I read and watched a few who said the rear window roll down will most likely be removed. Pretty much all other SUV's with 'pop open' rear windows have all been replaced with fixed ones, they suspect the same with the new 4Runner...of course no proof.

I really have enjoyed my 4R, and especially the reliability, but it is time to get something new. I would love it to be another 4R, but at some point I can't chase the carrot anymore.

Honestly, I doubt we're going to know anything concrete for at least another 3 to 6 months on this vehicle with the 2024 likely being a carry over.

Unless you are interested in a Land Cruiser or a new GX550, I'd probably go ahead and start doing your shopping if you want something by early 2024 as I'm pretty confident you will not be able to buy a sixth generation by the end of 2023.

 

[AZ Craig]

It is completely worthless; I have had a peak. Especially here in AZ, given the 4R's mediocre A/C. Our Tribeca also has a pathetic 3rd row BUT it has phenomenal A/C with roof vents over 2nd and 3rd row. The 4R is a joke in comparison (as are 2-row Subarus).

I'd believe you on the third row. I knew a family here who used their 3rd row regularly for long distance trips, but based on how weak I even find the AC in the 2nd row of the 4Runner, I'd be amazed you could keep the third row cool enough when it's 105+ degrees out. As we've looked at some vehicles now, I've realized that the vent design is a really critical consideration if you think you'll actuallly use the third row. A lot of cars (especially with those where the third row is really a jump seat at best) don't have much ventilation that would reach the back of the vehicle.

The more I've looked at the more I'm thinking I may just stick with 2 row vehicles for the time being and screw the 5% of the time I could use the third row.

 

[MAST4R]

The more I've looked at the more I'm thinking I may just stick with 2 row vehicles for the time being and screw the 5% of the time I could use the third row.

Yeah, either it should have proper ventilation, or it is an emergencies-only kinda thing.

 

[westwind77]

Honestly, I doubt we're going to know anything concrete for at least another 3 to 6 months on this vehicle with the 2024 likely being a carry over.

Unless you are interested in a Land Cruiser or a new GX550, I'd probably go ahead and start doing your shopping if you want something by early 2024 as I'm pretty confident you will not be able to buy a sixth generation by the end of 2023.

The LC looks like a step back, at least from the outside, do not like the styling, looks cheap and toy like. The LC is suppose to be more refined, especially for the price.

I do not need to purchase something by the end of '23, however I 'need' to know what I plan to purchase then. If they at least announce and show the 6th Gen then I can plan forward. Most vehicles I have purchased have been ordered as they have not had what I want in stock so I need to plan for that amount of time.

14 years with the same center console that they can't even both to fill the heated seat switch blanks from the initial few years is beyond pathetic, IMO.

I was set on the sequoia until I saw the train wreck of the cargo area. I hope they don't make the same mistake on the 4R.

It is what it is as they say. Some people can wait, others can't - not going to make everyone happy. At least there are options out there.

 

[gomiami]

Toyota Fleet shows MY 24 production dates August 1 to June 10. Check out the link below.

Manage Your Fleet Account | Toyota.com

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Toyota Fleet shows MY 24 production dates August 1 to June 10. Check out the link below.

Manage Your Fleet Account | Toyota.com

Great link, thank you. It is very interesting that the 5th gen MY24 order dates go through until June 10, 2024. Using the delivery window info, it looks like orders take 4 months to get to dealers, so the last 5th gen MY24 will arrive at dealers around October 10th.

For those of you that have watched other Toyota models switchovers, how much time was it from when the dealer received the last old model until the new model showed up on their lots?

If this were a one month gap, then maybe the first 6th gen MY2025 could be delivered to dealers in November or December 2024. This would mean the start of production for the 6th gen MY2025 may be in July or August 2024.

 

[Blackwatch]

It looks like things will line up perfectly. The LC250 will be able to be test driven by January with prove and mpg announced.
The 6th gen 4Runner will be revealed by February and you will be able to order a 24 5th gen until June if you don’t like the 6th gen.
Hopefully Toyota doesn’t drag their feet with the reveal until July so you can’t order a 5th gen.