Blackstone oil report
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Some of you guys have way too much time and money to burn. This whole oil analysis thing is as helpful as black magic because it only gives you a snapshot of the chemical ingredients in the oil which in and of itself is one dimensional as what really matters is how the engine components are doing at any given point in time. Only Toyota has the access, resources and people to make recommendations so follow them and enjoy the drive. It is a lot easier to send in oil samples reading about a synopsis put together by dr who with zero liability than to have someone tear down your engine to do a thorough scientific and visual examination. But who does that? No one. Why? It is not economically feasible and we trust the manufacturer's recommendations, that they've backed up their product with real know how. If you didn't trust the manufacturer why would you have purchased the product in the first place?
It's one thing to send a sample in to compare say fresh factory fill to 50k old oil but what I think most rational people care about is how healthy is my engine at the end of the day?
Just be a good owner like we all are and follow the recommended maintenance schedule. That's all you need. If youre anal retentive then it never hurts to go above and beyond. It is a toyota for goodness sake! If oil analysis is fun for you then go on and enjoy yourselve$.
Just my thoughts.
It's one thing to send a sample in to compare say fresh factory fill to 50k old oil but what I think most rational people care about is how healthy is my engine at the end of the day?
Just be a good owner like we all are and follow the recommended maintenance schedule. That's all you need. If youre anal retentive then it never hurts to go above and beyond. It is a toyota for goodness sake! If oil analysis is fun for you then go on and enjoy yourselve$.
Just my thoughts.
That made zero sense. "How the engine components are doing at any given time"? What does that even mean? Health of an engine obviously changes. Which is why it can be very useful to see a snapshot, since you can compare it to the last analysis and see if you're on a downward trend, or everything is ok. The Blackstone guys spell this out for you in their summary as well. How is this black magic??? :ybrick:
Just because Toyota recommends certain OCI or other maintenance schedules, doesn't mean we have to follow them blindly. This would mean that Toyota engines never break down when following factory maintenace schedules. Guess what? That is not true.
I've sent in my oil samples to Blackstone and found the analysis very helpful. UOA won't prevent anything from breaking down, but it at least gives me a heads up on things that may be going south so I'm not stuck out in the boonies when the thing goes. All for what? $20?
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diverscale
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Here is one example why what you are saying is total crap
Used Oil Analysis Reports - 2nd Generation Tacoma - Tacoma World Forums
Let other ppl do whatever then want with their money. Thank you.
I decided to do a $18 Polaris UOA on my daughter's 2008 Avalanche last month. It had 78.5K miles on the engine at the time. Looks like it has a coolant leak (ingress), but bearing wear isn't substantial yet. Hopefully, I'll be able to find the leak soon and correct the problem before major engine damage occurs. She doesn't even have this truck paid off yet.
So far, I don't think oil analysis is a waste of money.
So far, I don't think oil analysis is a waste of money.
Another oil analysis done and everything looks great. Good folks at Blackstone got it done pretty quick. Only time I got a negative report back is when I had a K&N filter on there, which sent dirt and crap straight through. This spiked the silicon levels way up. Got some good ol' paper filters (I use OEM and NAPA Gold/Wix) and all is back to normal.
RoadTraveler
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It's nice to hear someone say this with evidence to back it up.
I agree, use OE-style paper air filters and keep the crap out of your engine.
RoadTraveler
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High Copper Too
I just read through the thread.
I've got two Toyota V8s:
one 4.7L in a 4th Gen 4Runner with 63k on it
another 5.7L Tundra with 17K
Both have been running Red Line 5w-30 since the beginning. Both show high copper, and from reading this thread and everything else I can find on the web, this seems pretty common for new Toyotas.
Here is another example from back in 2007.
Used Oil Analysis, 2007 5.7L engine.
I just read through the thread.
I've got two Toyota V8s:
one 4.7L in a 4th Gen 4Runner with 63k on it
another 5.7L Tundra with 17K
Both have been running Red Line 5w-30 since the beginning. Both show high copper, and from reading this thread and everything else I can find on the web, this seems pretty common for new Toyotas.
Here is another example from back in 2007.
Used Oil Analysis, 2007 5.7L engine.
1000MPH
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Hi Indy, I was hoping you would post here or BITOG.
This was my last free dealer OC (that I had to break some legs to get).
It's dealer bulk. I noted on the form that I wasn't sure what was used.
My dealer still has window decals that say M1 and they also write M1 on the service order.
When I collected this sample I refilled with the last of the SM that I bought in 2010.
Also just picked up 2 cases of TGMO at a good price from my dealer by ordering online. Shocking.
Too bad I just noticed the Lexus dealer had an even better price by $10 and it's the same ownership.
This was my last free dealer OC (that I had to break some legs to get).
It's dealer bulk. I noted on the form that I wasn't sure what was used.
My dealer still has window decals that say M1 and they also write M1 on the service order.
When I collected this sample I refilled with the last of the SM that I bought in 2010.
Also just picked up 2 cases of TGMO at a good price from my dealer by ordering online. Shocking.
Too bad I just noticed the Lexus dealer had an even better price by $10 and it's the same ownership.
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Do you have any documentation on this?
Your Moly # of 576 is high, nothing wrong there but from other Toy 0w20 samples there seems to be a wide variance.
My first sample sent in at 1350 miles copper=258
Second sample new Toy 0w20 oil with 4650 miles copper = 194
See below similar numbers to my samples.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/1276893-post104.html
1000MPH
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I did but that was a year ago. Wasn't too hard to find on the Toyota AU website.
Edit: looks like it's changed slightly...
https://www.toyota.com.au/owners/service/service-intervals
The original TGMO 0w-20 made in Japan was high moly (approx 800)
The M1 blended version has more normal looking numbers.
Many assume M1 is using their Trinuclear molybdenum in the TGMO product.
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vicpick58
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Attached is my latest report from my 45k mile oil change. I have tried Mobil 1 and Amsoil, but have been running the Toyota 0w20 for the last few oil changes and think I am going to stick with the Toyota oil.
Sample was using the Toyota oil. As you can see copper is no longer an issue, and the original high moly at the 15k never happened again. Must have still had some break in lube left in the system or they have lowered the content in the current oil being sold.
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I'm bringing an older thread back up to add some new data.
I sent in engine oil and transmission fluid samples to Blackstone for analysis. I did a drain and fill on the transmission during the last oil change as I wanted to know how the fluid was doing in there after 72,000km. We've done a few multi-thousand kilometre trips towing a trailer through the mountains among other things so I figured it couldn't hurt to replace some of the old fluid and get a report back on its condition.
The engine oil was in use for a trip across the country and back towing the trailer. At some points on the trip the truck stayed in 4th gear at ~3000 RPM for a few hours at a time when we were battling headwinds and such so it was well used by the time it was changed at 10,000km. I also made mention of how the 2010 1GR-FE is only rated for 5000mi even on 0w20 while the 2011+ models are listed for 10k miles. That's what their first line is in reply to.
***The numbers on the reports are in kilometres, not miles.
I sent in engine oil and transmission fluid samples to Blackstone for analysis. I did a drain and fill on the transmission during the last oil change as I wanted to know how the fluid was doing in there after 72,000km. We've done a few multi-thousand kilometre trips towing a trailer through the mountains among other things so I figured it couldn't hurt to replace some of the old fluid and get a report back on its condition.
The engine oil was in use for a trip across the country and back towing the trailer. At some points on the trip the truck stayed in 4th gear at ~3000 RPM for a few hours at a time when we were battling headwinds and such so it was well used by the time it was changed at 10,000km. I also made mention of how the 2010 1GR-FE is only rated for 5000mi even on 0w20 while the 2011+ models are listed for 10k miles. That's what their first line is in reply to.
***The numbers on the reports are in kilometres, not miles.
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BlackWorksInc
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Are they able to determine it's composition? i.e is it a Dexron VI derivative? Can they tell what type/concentrations of additive packages it is using compared to a Dexron VI?
I'd be extremely interested in that information, I actually have a kit from them coming in for my next oil change. Want to see how well that Amsoil Signature Synthetic is doing after 10k (they say 15k "severe" OCI & 25k "normal" OCI if you're using their extended life filters.)
I'd be extremely interested in that information, I actually have a kit from them coming in for my next oil change. Want to see how well that Amsoil Signature Synthetic is doing after 10k (they say 15k "severe" OCI & 25k "normal" OCI if you're using their extended life filters.)
In the US, Toyota modified their OCI for the 2010 5th gens from 5K to 10K shortly after their release. They distributed an updated warranty and maintenance guide reflecting the 10K OCI. I would assume the same change would have been made for other markets as well.
