Drove new SR5 home today! Observations...

WCVanHorne

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...Or the four S'es: Suspension, Steering, Starting, & Stupid Antenna.

So most of these people know but I tried to forget them all and come at it with an open mind.

Two were good or better than expected:

-Suspension. It is a little cushy and perhaps "bouncy" but you know I'm not that unhappy with the compromise. The roll in corners isn't horrible and so far I find the nose dive acceptable. Heck most of the time I'm worrying about control stopping up here I *wish* I had the kind of traction to get the nose to dive a bit! Best part is that it just eats up the speed bumps on one of the main routes into my neighbourhood. I have to literally crawl over them with my Yaris. Even then I get a tiny scrape when the whole family is in it. However on the drive down it back from the dealership I tried the first a little fast at 10, fine, second at 20, still good, third at 30, wow, fourth at 40, probably even smoother than 30!!! Man this is great. Don't forget these are monsters. Next time I'm going to try cruising down that strip at 50; might have to swerve around a few of the cars and Crossovers that have to slow down to 10 or less. :reddance: I was on my own and haven't mentioned this to the wife yet. This is the route we use the majority of the time and she is used to the <10 routine. Can't wait to freak her out by cruising though at full speed. She will probably scream and brace for roof impact! :lmao:

-Steering. I haven't noticed excessive wander or bad tracking on urban freeway. I'll have to see if it gets squirrelly out on the open highway at 120.

And two were very annoying:

-Starting. OK this one is a complete surprise to me and I don't think I've run across it mentioned yet. I had to try three times just to drive it off the lot. I thought all Toyota ECMs had gone to a programmed start. I'm so used to just flicking the key on my 2008 Yaris that my mind just gets in that mode when I feel the shape of a Toyota key. Why the heck is the starting on the 4Runner old school hold to turn over!? Since I'm going back and forth this is going to be a persistent annoyance for the life of the vehicle.

-Stupid Antenna. Well this one is well known, however I guess I'd not realized that that damn thing was probably 4" *higher* than even the roof rack rails. Why? I can see it being a hair higher than the vehicle height (eg. and inch or so) to act as a bit of a height warning but that thing is aspiring to be like the safety warning masts they have on pickups on the oil sands sites to keep from getting run over by these babies:

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Since I only have 2" clearance from the rails the damn thing catches badly several times on the way in. I took it off right away and am going to find something ASAP. I don't mind the whip but it's at least 3" too long. Crazy!
 
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The starting part is weird ... haven't heard any complaints since I started on here. Mine starts immediately, idles kinda fast and then settles right down.

I'd go back to the dlr and try some others. Hopefully it's crappy gas.
 
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I used to enjoy the fast ride over speed bumps. Leaving the tailgaters far behind as they crawl over them slowly.

But, even though it feels good to you, your front shocks will eventually blow oil big time.
 
Mine starts quickly as well..........hopefully that will work itself out with some better fuel. Otherwise congrats on the new ride. I've got 1400 miles on mine and trying to figure out how I racked those up already!
 
I have no starting issues at all. What dealer did you end up going with?
Canadian Tire has a couple decent ones for under $15. I just put on my 4" mangowalk, reception isn't as great, but it looks way better and you cant be the $10 price tag
 
I have no starting issues at all. What dealer did you end up going with?

For reference to everyone on the starting: It's not that it doesn't start OK compared to a "normal" (aka old school) vehicle. I'd just gotten used to the Yaris where you literally just "flick" the key and the ECM goes though the startup process of turning over the engine (ie. engaging the starter for a long enough time). I thought all newer Toyotas had this system and was rather surprised I had to hold the key in start for a second or so.

Canadian Tire has a couple decent ones for under $15. I just put on my 4" mangowalk, reception isn't as great, but it looks way better and you cant be the $10 price tag

I'm leaving in about half an hour to get my final 3M/Paint/Fabric/Rust/Undercoat quote and pick-up one of these as reference in another thread:

Crappy Tire E2 Rubber Replacement Mast

I hope the reception is decent in the boonies though. Otherwise I might have to put the stock back on when I go on a trip.
 
What dealer did you end up going with?

Missed this bit. A certain large one one the west end with a truck centre, possibly starting with 'M'. I might have gone back for a second round further afield but there were diminishing returns. Hope they are decent in the long haul. I suppose one never really knows. Oh also since they generally start throwing in oil changes in the deal (low cost for them and they can spread out the incentive) I didn't want one too far from where I live.

You?
 
But, even though it feels good to you, your front shocks will eventually blow oil big time.

Well doesn't that mean I can then upgrade to the Bilstein's? :cool:

In all seriousness though: If I only do this trick once or twice a week is that over-stressing the shocks? I would have thought an off road capable rig was able to handle a bit of this?
 
Starter: Doesn't the 5th gen come with "automatic starters" like the 4th gen? (where you flip the starter key and let go, but the starter will continue until the engine fires up).

Congrats on your new ride! Pic? :hungry:
 
Well doesn't that mean I can then upgrade to the Bilstein's? :cool:

In all seriousness though: If I only do this trick once or twice a week is that over-stressing the shocks? I would have thought an off road capable rig was able to handle a bit of this?

It is not the bump it's the speed, which causes over saturation of the internal orifices, which causes a high pressure differential on either side, which then causes the fluid to follow the path of least resistance which is usually around the seal as it can't get through its designed path quick enough. They make suspension components designed for high speed bumps and they are worth more than your Yaris.

You can take it over bumps just at a sane speed.
 
Starter: Doesn't the 5th gen come with "automatic starters" like the 4th gen? (where you flip the starter key and let go, but the starter will continue until the engine fires up).

Congrats on your new ride! Pic? :hungry:

No, it does not. My limited does with the push button start, but the feature in the 4th gen where you just turned the key and "let go" and it started for you has been deleted in the 5th gen (except on the push button limited)
 
Sherwood Park. You let them sucker you in for the undercoating etc, eh? Even at the "special price" of under $2k for all three services I told them to piss off
 
Starter: Doesn't the 5th gen come with "automatic starters" like the 4th gen? (where you flip the starter key and let go, but the starter will continue until the engine fires up).

Apparently another thing they left out along with the Torsen. :rant: Damn. I don't even understand this one. Doesn't really cost anything. Should just be software and it's driving me crazy. I did it 2 more times on my last trip!

Congrats on your new ride! Pic? :hungry:

Maybe in a week or so after 3M done, hood deflector on, and crossbars installed.
 
Sherwood Park. You let them sucker you in for the undercoating etc, eh? Even at the "special price" of under $2k for all three services I told them to piss off

Oh no. No way! I may be stupid but I'm not crazy! :banana: They even offered under $900 for that and it's still pricier than the place I've had it done before. The 3M was somewhat competitive but still more expensive too. 3rd party all the way on that. Took some discount oil changes though. I hear it's a pain with the skid plate.
 
It is not the bump it's the speed, which causes over saturation of the internal orifices, which causes a high pressure differential on either side, which then causes the fluid to follow the path of least resistance which is usually around the seal as it can't get through its designed path quick enough. They make suspension components designed for high speed bumps and they are worth more than your Yaris.

You can take it over bumps just at a sane speed.

Right enough. I certainly understand the theory. However practically what is "reasonable" in terms of speed vs. bump profile for the stock SR5? These are probably 6" high and 48" wide. That doesn't seem like a ridiculous amount of travel. I'm still getting a few inches of bump in the cab.

PS. Like others I'm getting a kick out of the wording :frisky: At least you didn't use the feminine terminology as often is the case with vehicles/parts. :naughty:
 
and pick-up one of these as reference in another thread:

Crappy Tire E2 Rubber Replacement Mast

I hope the reception is decent in the boonies though. Otherwise I might have to put the stock back on when I go on a trip.

I had one of those at first but replaced it with a CravenSpeed stubby. The E2 bends back when you drive at highway speeds. Combine that with Alberta winter weather and eventually it just stayed bent. The black rubber also never comes entirely clean, which is ok if you're talking about mudflaps but not so good for an antenna at eye level.
 

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