That's exactly my point! Without some "control" trucks there's no real way to make an informed decision based off everyone elses numbers..
Duratrac compatibility question!
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That's exactly my point! Without some "control" trucks there's no real way to make an informed decision based off everyone elses numbers..
1engineer
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The only "control" is stock and that is a crap shoot because they could drive like grandma or Ivan Stewart to church or to the Baja. I will tell you based on what I have read expect 3-5 mpg drop for lifted and E oversized tires is how i would figure it. I get 23 on interstate with stock SR5. That would put me at 18-20 at best with lift and 285 E tires. Is it worth it? You make the call.
SeattleMike
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I get 22 mpg on the highway @ 60mph with 265 E Duratracs and I average 17 in city driving. Bump it to 70 on the highway and I lose 3 mpg. The engine really likes 1500 rpm, anything higher and you start losing mpg no matter what gear you are in... or what gear you are carrying.
hmm this is really good info - now im a bit torn
i like the idea of beefier tires, but i want to keep my mileage as much as possible. mostly, i want them for driving on snow. i rarely see myself doing any off roading, other than to the occasional bike trail.
hmmm....decisions, decisions!
i like the idea of beefier tires, but i want to keep my mileage as much as possible. mostly, i want them for driving on snow. i rarely see myself doing any off roading, other than to the occasional bike trail.
hmmm....decisions, decisions!
RonMAIDEN
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Concerning Evs C one also should consider vehicle weight. 5th gens weigh about 700-800lbs more than a 3rd gen and the ride should be much more acceptable with the heavier truck. My friend has E load rated Duratracs on his '99 and I have C rated on my 4Runner in the same size and his ride is much more harsher around town then mine but his mileage is still pretty close to my 15-17 city and 20-22 hwy. The squirmy C rated sidewalls and durability issues seem to be exaggerated vs actual experiences of Duratrac owners. I wouldn't use the Cs on a much heavier truck than my 2 tons of 3rd gen but they work great on the lighter trucks.
I run 36psi in mine and after 2 years and roughly 16k miles they are wearing well and perform great off road.
I run 36psi in mine and after 2 years and roughly 16k miles they are wearing well and perform great off road.
Mike your numbers are close to mine with Stock Duelers. I get about 17.8 city! Your are right on, this motor does love 1,500 rpm.. Lifeis11, best I can figure getting whatever tire you want that is stock size will have minimum impact on economy. It's really only if you go over sized that you'll see significant drop in MPG.
I'm sticking with E for one reason! If I get the C and I get a puncture or tear in the sidewall I'll be forever wondering if it wouldn't have happened with the Es. Considering the mileage you get out of these tires the extra bit of cash is really nothing over 50k miles.
I'm sticking with E for one reason! If I get the C and I get a puncture or tear in the sidewall I'll be forever wondering if it wouldn't have happened with the Es. Considering the mileage you get out of these tires the extra bit of cash is really nothing over 50k miles.
this has me thinkin' E rated again!
SeattleMike
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It's not just about the sidewall. As Ron pointed out, our trucks are heavier and adding 4 passengers and gear will only add to that load. E-rated tires carry more weight and at higher psi. Yes, a strong sidewall is nice where roots, rocks, and punks with knives are concerned, but the load capacity is why I went with E.
RonMAIDEN
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If your driving your truck everyday on pavement the better load handling is a bigger deal than worrying about sidewall punctures but off-road having both is nice. With my C rated GYs I've really never given it much thought and I rarely even air down on the intermediate trails I've taken them on and they've done nice in the rock crawling dept. also.
JB.
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Understandable reaction but, just so you know, it doesn't come without tradeoffs. For instance, are you okay with running significantly more air pressure?
Offroad durability is completely different from daily driving durability. LTs offer no increase in highway durability. In fact, less.
Honestly then, it wouldn't make much sense to get a Light Truck (LT) tire.
More:http://www.toyota-4runner.org/732951-post2.html
again, youll have to forgive my ignorance - what would be the issue with running higher psi?
as far as not going with a LT tire at all - beyond just the looks factor of the thing, there are going to be SOME times when I take it off road for mtn bike trails, etc. for those times, id really like the LT tire.
as far as the tradeoffs with on road durability - that's where it gets tougher...
certainly most of my driving is going to be on road - 95% or more. but i also plan on having 5 people + gear in the truck a lot of the time - which means more weight, which i would think (if im following the thread correctly) would mean id want the e rated again.
basically, the long and short of it is id like a tire for daily use, looks plenty aggro, doesnt add too much highway noise, has the offroad performance when i want it, will wear slow on the highway and is plenty durable.
from the other thread, i was pretty sure the duratrac more or less fit the bill.
ive owned two sets of terra grapplers on my prev tundra, and i wasnt blown away by them, they were just okay.
Intruder
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The Michelin LTX A/T2 almost fits that bill entirely except that it isn't the most aggressive looking. It's probably one of the more aggressive looking P-rated tires out there though. I had a set of them before my lift and they performed well off road and were excellent on the highway with no additional noise.
They are pretty capable tires off road.
A light truck tire, in an unto itself can be just as durable as ANY passenger car tire. (I am speaking of tread wear here). I think we can agree the sidewalls are going to be more durable. For example, my Michelin LTX M/S2 285/70/17 Load Range D tires come with a 70k tread wear warranty. Not sure if many, or any, passenger car tires have more then that. Now, when talking about All Terrain light truck tires, well, then I think you are correct. They will not have the higher tread wear warranty.
As to getting an LT vs. Passenger Car or even a Passenger Car X tire (which has a bit heaver load rating). With a 5 lb truck, to me tires with a stronger side wall is a must. The OEM tires (P rated) were so "soft" it really effected handling IMHO. Once I put on the stiffer, stronger more durable tires as mentioned above, what a difference. These stronger tires require more PSI to function as designed. Yea, stiffer tire, more PSI does equal a little rougher ride over all. But Id rather feel a little more "bump" over the R/R tracks then fell like my tires were going to roll off my rims every time I took a turn.
As far as Lifeis11's concerns, I would look into an LT tire like mine. If you are going to be 95% highway, and "light" off road. This tire will do you well. Further, I really do not think you will need an "E" rated tire, (10 ply) I think "D" (8 ply) will be just fine. E rated is great for humping large rocks and running the Rubicon. For our purposes, (4 WD overpriced mall crawler) the D rated will get you everything you want, and probably a bit more then we need! The max load on mine are 3195 lbs at 65 PSI. Like I said, more then enough. Not sure what these tires load ratiing would be with a 10 ply, but man, we will never see a load of 3195 per tire. At least I won't. Just a note, I do not run mine at 65 PSI. but rather 45PSI. So my over all load ability at that PSI would be less. But like I said, don't need 12K plus!
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