lewdog998
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I did not....I was going to a 285 so like you said, i dont think its an option.
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I did not....I was going to a 285 so like you said, i dont think its an option.
krespicio
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Lucky you! At this point I just want my rig lifted. Ordered mine on January 6th. Hopefully mine will be here soon since I’m about a week later.
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Wait, Really? Any more details on this? Are they not a 1.6" lift anymore??
Found out today that it wasnt shipped yet...i had them install the springs on the struts...however...they have 2 guys that install them n 1 was out sick....never ending..lol
krespicio
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Awww bro got my hopes up lol... And you right it seems that the road to having my suspension is further and further..
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a6philly_mudhorn
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Its marginal. He mentioned it still provides about the same lift. If you need more details give them a call, they are super helpful. Unfortunately he wasnt able to provide a date for when the new ones would be available and if you want to preorder you have to call them and do it over the phone.
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Installed my kit last weekend. Liking it a lot so far. Need an alignment soon. I have a question for you guys. I torqued everything to spec with the vehicle on jack stands. Should I loosen the upper control arm and then retorque? Also, how would I go about getting a torque wrench on the UCA nut? Its a tight squeeze in my 21.
Installed my kit a week ago. Only thing I did differently was use Wheelers T1 coil for the front to get 2.5 lift. Thought the 2.75 up front was too high for my liking. Also went with Freedom offroad UCA to keep my alignment perfect. Kept my stock size 265/70/17 Falkens At3W
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kouki_monster
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How to use required Eibach bushings?
Morning!
I figured this was the best place to ask this.. I hope someone can help!
I purchased Eibach front shocks for my 4Runner as well as new springs, and had Wheeler's Off-Road "assemble" them with "new top hats." However, when I inspected the front assemblies, I noticed that Wheeler's did not use Eibach's supplied bushings/washers below and above the top mount - instead they used the "OE style" bushings that must have been supplied with their "new top mount" kit. I called Eibach to ask about it, and they told me that their bushings must be used. So I have disassembled the coil-over assembly and attempted to swap the "stock" bushings that came from Wheeler's with the Eibach bushings... however I've run into a problem.
First of all, the bushing that sits below the new top-hat really does not want to come out. At this point, the bushing is destroyed from me trying to pry and poke it out.. but it's still in there.. like it's got some major glue on it or something. How in the world do you guys remove this bushing? Are they not usually this stubborn?
Also, I noticed that the top hat metal piece - underneath, where the lower bushing sits - has a raised ring that its bushing fits into the middle of. So the bushing that came with the top hat has an outer diameter that perfectly fits the inner diameter of that raised "ring" .. I imagine to hold it in place and lend strength. That said, the Eibach supplied bushing has a much smaller outer diameter than the bushing that came with the top hats has. Will this matter, IF I can even manage to "install" the Eibach bushing in that place?
I will try to get Eibach on the phone as soon as they open, but I'd also love to hear what you guys think. My truck is sitting on jack-stands and I'm obviously not the happiest camper right now.. what was supposed to be a simple install is turning into a major headache!
Thanks!
Morning!
I figured this was the best place to ask this.. I hope someone can help!
I purchased Eibach front shocks for my 4Runner as well as new springs, and had Wheeler's Off-Road "assemble" them with "new top hats." However, when I inspected the front assemblies, I noticed that Wheeler's did not use Eibach's supplied bushings/washers below and above the top mount - instead they used the "OE style" bushings that must have been supplied with their "new top mount" kit. I called Eibach to ask about it, and they told me that their bushings must be used. So I have disassembled the coil-over assembly and attempted to swap the "stock" bushings that came from Wheeler's with the Eibach bushings... however I've run into a problem.
First of all, the bushing that sits below the new top-hat really does not want to come out. At this point, the bushing is destroyed from me trying to pry and poke it out.. but it's still in there.. like it's got some major glue on it or something. How in the world do you guys remove this bushing? Are they not usually this stubborn?
Also, I noticed that the top hat metal piece - underneath, where the lower bushing sits - has a raised ring that its bushing fits into the middle of. So the bushing that came with the top hat has an outer diameter that perfectly fits the inner diameter of that raised "ring" .. I imagine to hold it in place and lend strength. That said, the Eibach supplied bushing has a much smaller outer diameter than the bushing that came with the top hats has. Will this matter, IF I can even manage to "install" the Eibach bushing in that place?
I will try to get Eibach on the phone as soon as they open, but I'd also love to hear what you guys think. My truck is sitting on jack-stands and I'm obviously not the happiest camper right now.. what was supposed to be a simple install is turning into a major headache!
Thanks!
kouki_monster
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I called Eibach and left them a message... hoping to hear back soon.
I chose to pay Wheeler's over $100 for them to assemble my front coil-overs with new top hats. This was to make my life easier. Now all of that money is down the drain because Wheeler's didn't do it right. Plus, this would have taken me far less time overall had I done it all myself from the beginning. Long story short, I brought to Wheeler's attention that they did not use the Eibach bushings, per the Eibach instructions, so they looked into it and just said "It'll be fine" with how they do it. At least they were nice and not rude? Good customer service seems hard to come by these days. Well, Eibach makes the shocks, and Eibach said differently. Upon inspecting the bushings thus far, the Eibach bushings are indeed different, at least in rigidity and material, than the "OE Replacement" bushings that Wheeler's used in their pre-assembled "kit."
I am very disappointed that I can't even trust a well-known Off-Road shop that also happens to sponsor this forum. I guess "people like me" just have a hard time in this "close enough" world lol.
Cheers
I chose to pay Wheeler's over $100 for them to assemble my front coil-overs with new top hats. This was to make my life easier. Now all of that money is down the drain because Wheeler's didn't do it right. Plus, this would have taken me far less time overall had I done it all myself from the beginning. Long story short, I brought to Wheeler's attention that they did not use the Eibach bushings, per the Eibach instructions, so they looked into it and just said "It'll be fine" with how they do it. At least they were nice and not rude? Good customer service seems hard to come by these days. Well, Eibach makes the shocks, and Eibach said differently. Upon inspecting the bushings thus far, the Eibach bushings are indeed different, at least in rigidity and material, than the "OE Replacement" bushings that Wheeler's used in their pre-assembled "kit."
I am very disappointed that I can't even trust a well-known Off-Road shop that also happens to sponsor this forum. I guess "people like me" just have a hard time in this "close enough" world lol.
Cheers
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Curious, have you contacted Wheeler’s to let them know and try to resolve this? I don’t see any mention of you contacting them. If not, seeems like you should give them a chance before kinda trashing them on the forum.
kouki_monster
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Yes, of course I have spoken with Wheeler's about this. I gave them a chance to look into it and offer recourse; they decided that they were fine with their work and that was that. They did not offer me any resolution other than "You'll be fine." I have no desire to further deal with them - I see their colors. At this point, all I care to do is share my experience with others so that you all may garner your own judgement, in case you consider dealing with Wheeler's in the future.
Here's what I know:
- Eibach at least has really good customer service going for them, even though it appears that the profit counters have a strong hold on their end products - to an arguably detrimental effect. OR, maybe it doesn't matter.. admittedly, I am just an experienced hobbyist, not a mechanic with 30 years in the biz.
- The OE top-hat bushing is also glued in. It was not easy to get out by any means, but it wasn't too bad, and no where near as stubborn as the "OE Replacements" that Wheeler's sold to me.
- The bushings that Eibach provides are stiffer than both the OE bushings and the Wheeler's bushings.
- The Eibach bushing that goes underneath the top hat is significantly shorter than the bushing that Wheeler's used. Given a set length of shock shaft threading and spacing, I imagine that this bushing thickness/height is a crucial element to the overall assembly. I cannot imagine the Wheeler's used bushing to be an appropriate substitution.
- Sadly, while the OE bushing, and even Wheeler's "OE Replacement" bushing fit perfectly into the hole in the top hat, Eibach's bushing is actually slightly too small in outer diameter and thus does not fully fill the hole. This results in some play in the shock shaft, at least until everything is tightened. Whether there is still play once installed is something I don't know for sure.. but obviously an appropriately sized bushing is desirable there. Again, does it really matter? I think it matters, but what can I do? I have no choice but to trust Eibach at this point, and hope that it doesn't matter.
In the end, it looks like both Eibach and Wheeler's are in the wrong, at least technically.. but perhaps not practically. With the info I was supplied by both Eibach and Wheeler's, I couldn't determine that until I took everything apart myself. Maybe they both could have saved me the work had they given me more detail. Such is life, it seems. Wheeler's is still 100% at fault for not using the correct bushings. IMO it is not in their power to determine Eibach's engineering and substitute bushings - ESPECIALLY without consulting the customer. That said, I am a little disappointed to see that Eibach's bushing is also not 100% appropriate. Perhaps Wheeler's knew this, but when they supposedly looked into the issue for me, they did not give me any real detail.. again, all I got was "It'll be fine." Had they told me exactly *why* they thought it would be fine, things might be different. And that's probably why they didn't offer detail, because I might have returned the suspension upon learning what I know now.
So at this point, neither Wheeler's bushings OR Eibach's bushings are the *RIGHT* bushings, if you ask me. But I get that most people simply don't care so whatever.. it is what it is I guess. Only time will tell how this all works out. I see that many of you are happy with your Eibach shocks so I genuinely hope that these work great and give me years of fantastic, clunk and failure free, service.
Cheers
Here's what I know:
- Eibach at least has really good customer service going for them, even though it appears that the profit counters have a strong hold on their end products - to an arguably detrimental effect. OR, maybe it doesn't matter.. admittedly, I am just an experienced hobbyist, not a mechanic with 30 years in the biz.
- The OE top-hat bushing is also glued in. It was not easy to get out by any means, but it wasn't too bad, and no where near as stubborn as the "OE Replacements" that Wheeler's sold to me.
- The bushings that Eibach provides are stiffer than both the OE bushings and the Wheeler's bushings.
- The Eibach bushing that goes underneath the top hat is significantly shorter than the bushing that Wheeler's used. Given a set length of shock shaft threading and spacing, I imagine that this bushing thickness/height is a crucial element to the overall assembly. I cannot imagine the Wheeler's used bushing to be an appropriate substitution.
- Sadly, while the OE bushing, and even Wheeler's "OE Replacement" bushing fit perfectly into the hole in the top hat, Eibach's bushing is actually slightly too small in outer diameter and thus does not fully fill the hole. This results in some play in the shock shaft, at least until everything is tightened. Whether there is still play once installed is something I don't know for sure.. but obviously an appropriately sized bushing is desirable there. Again, does it really matter? I think it matters, but what can I do? I have no choice but to trust Eibach at this point, and hope that it doesn't matter.
In the end, it looks like both Eibach and Wheeler's are in the wrong, at least technically.. but perhaps not practically. With the info I was supplied by both Eibach and Wheeler's, I couldn't determine that until I took everything apart myself. Maybe they both could have saved me the work had they given me more detail. Such is life, it seems. Wheeler's is still 100% at fault for not using the correct bushings. IMO it is not in their power to determine Eibach's engineering and substitute bushings - ESPECIALLY without consulting the customer. That said, I am a little disappointed to see that Eibach's bushing is also not 100% appropriate. Perhaps Wheeler's knew this, but when they supposedly looked into the issue for me, they did not give me any real detail.. again, all I got was "It'll be fine." Had they told me exactly *why* they thought it would be fine, things might be different. And that's probably why they didn't offer detail, because I might have returned the suspension upon learning what I know now.
So at this point, neither Wheeler's bushings OR Eibach's bushings are the *RIGHT* bushings, if you ask me. But I get that most people simply don't care so whatever.. it is what it is I guess. Only time will tell how this all works out. I see that many of you are happy with your Eibach shocks so I genuinely hope that these work great and give me years of fantastic, clunk and failure free, service.
Cheers
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14runnerdog
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How many using this Eibach kit are installing new UCA's? I've probably read over 400 posts on the topic with 50% saying keep OEM's and 50% saying you have to have for proper alignment.
Eibach Pro-Truck Lift System (Stage 1) for 2010+ 4Runner (E80-82-071-01-22)
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Eibach Pro-Truck Lift System (Stage 1) for 2010+ 4Runner (E80-82-071-01-22)
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kouki_monster
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Kinda looks like you answered your own question? lol
I wouldn't install this kit without aftermarket UCA's. But others feel differently. You make the choice.
kouki_monster
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Curious, did anyone else notice this when installing their front Eibach shocks? I checked my shock part number and it is the correct one.
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I just got off the phone with Eibach, I am awaiting a call-back. I spoke with an employee (non-tech) that has a 4Runner, and he seemed to think this was not normal, but we are holding off on judgement until I speak with the tech that actually designed this and wrote the install instructions. We shall see. Honestly, I did not notice if this happened on the passenger side, or not.. so I'll have to go check that one again if this is indeed abnormal. Ughhhh, I have literally already removed, installed, removed, installed, removed, installed, removed and installed the passenger side suspension.. yes.. that many times. Looks like here we go again!!
EDIT: Eibach returned my call and said that "2mm of additional clearance/wiggle room is normal in that location, and the play is normal. Once the lower eye bolt is tightened, everything will be snug and good to go." I suppose that's that! A little unnerving that I am getting different answers from different people, but what can I do, other than trust Eibach? The lower mount did seem to tighten up against the bushings as I tightened it but that just seemed weird to me. At this point, it's all installed and I hope it's right.
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I just got off the phone with Eibach, I am awaiting a call-back. I spoke with an employee (non-tech) that has a 4Runner, and he seemed to think this was not normal, but we are holding off on judgement until I speak with the tech that actually designed this and wrote the install instructions. We shall see. Honestly, I did not notice if this happened on the passenger side, or not.. so I'll have to go check that one again if this is indeed abnormal. Ughhhh, I have literally already removed, installed, removed, installed, removed, installed, removed and installed the passenger side suspension.. yes.. that many times. Looks like here we go again!!
EDIT: Eibach returned my call and said that "2mm of additional clearance/wiggle room is normal in that location, and the play is normal. Once the lower eye bolt is tightened, everything will be snug and good to go." I suppose that's that! A little unnerving that I am getting different answers from different people, but what can I do, other than trust Eibach? The lower mount did seem to tighten up against the bushings as I tightened it but that just seemed weird to me. At this point, it's all installed and I hope it's right.
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Your ride is HOT. Nice work.
Blue109
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100% not normal. Where is the wiggle happening? Is it the shaft wiggling in the top hat? If so, you probably didn't get the top nut tightened down enough. You needed to crank that spring compressor down a little tighter and get a few more turns on it. Maybe take a few more pics of the top mounting area?
Blue109
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It certainly won't hurt to add some nice UCAs. Dialing in more caster can help with bigger tire fitment and overall handling. With that said, Eibach designed the kit to work with stock arms. I'm running stock arms and 285s with perfect alignment and no issues. It is not needed.
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