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crashman

crashman

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I am trying to see if I can get a group buy from Harrop 4wd
HARROP | 4wd
These guys are affiliated with eaton lockers but they are in Australia
I was for air lockers but don't want to deal with leaks

Ok so I have consulted with the powers that be here and on a basis of 10+ ELockers we can do these prices for you.

Front ELocker = $1250USD Shipped
Rear ELocker = $1150USD Shipped

Now before ordering I will need you to supply me with:

Vehicle:
Diff Type / Ratio:
Year:
This will ensure we provide the correct ELocker for you.

feel free to email me [email protected] and I will be more than happy to answer any of your questions.


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I would be a little cautious as the Hilux is a different platform than the 120 that the 4th Gens, Tacomas, and FJs are built on. I don't recall if they use the same rear pumpkin we do.

But I do like the idea of an electronic locker, I just can't afford it right now. :(
 
BlackWorksInc said:
I would be a little cautious as the Hilux is a different platform than the 120 that the 4th Gens, Tacomas, and FJs are built on. I don't recall if they use the same rear pumpkin we do.

But I do like the idea of an electronic locker, I just can't afford it right now. :(
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I sent a email to them and he said;

Thank you for your interest in the Harrop ELocker,

We do have ELockers available to suit your V8 4Runner as they have a very similar running gear as to what is in our Hilux.

So I figure it should work I am just trying to see if I can get a good price for a group buy and hopefully save on shipping
 
Quote from Bulldog @ Toyota120.com

It has been discussed a couple of times in locker threads.

Bottomline: On a 4th Gen the Air locker is a drop in locker. You reuse the 3rd member and axle housing. With an elocker you need to get the whole 3rd with the locker, the control module, and the modify the axle housing to take the elocker 3rd member.

Air lockers are far quicker to engage/disengage on the trail than elockers. They also tend to add strength to the rear diff (less deflection of the ring gear). The biggest weakness on the air locker is the air seals in the diff, but the elocker has it's own issues with the solenoid getting sticky.

For a 4th Gen the air locker is the way to go.
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FYI
 
I didn't see a price on that one, any idea?

IIRC a basic air-locker setup for an ARB runs ~$1500 installed, or at least it did a few years ago when I was looking into it. I would guess that price has probably crept up to around $2k now.

If this one could come in significantly cheaper, perhaps $1k installed, that would be a major draw.

OTOH, I tend to think that the strengths of the air-locker make it more desirable if the price is not significantly different.
 
I've known too many people that struggled with leaking air lines with an ARB for me to spend that much money for one. I respect the company and their products but I respect the opinions of others too.

I Googled it to find this on Peterson's 4 Wheeler site

The Truth About Air Lockers:

So what causes an Air Locker to leak? Most of the time it is a poor installation job. Air Lockers require a little more care and attention to install than the average locker. Another culprit of leakage is contaminated gear oil. Like with anything a bit more complicated, Air Lockers require a little more maintenance. This means that gear oil needs to be changed after water and mud excursions, and that axle seals should be in good condition. Now, what do you do if you already have an Air Locker and it is leaking? ARB offers a reseal kit that allows you to swap in new O-rings and seals to fix leaks. The following shows what is involved in a reseal job, other causes of common problems with ARB lockers, and plenty of useful tips for ARB installations. If you feel the job is above your head, ARB can also reseal an Air Locker for you.

SOURCES

ARB USA
Renton, WA 98057
866-293-9078

IMHO, the writeup loses credibility when the source is the manufacturer.
 
Subb'd for future reference. Would be interested in possibly getting a front e-locker to match my rear down the road. Maybe [MENTION=65653]aha2988[/MENTION] would like to share all of his issues with air locker clearances and leaks, both ARB and TJM, since having them on his ride? We did a Toyota e-locker retrofit, and while it was a total pain in the ass to do, now that it's done, operationally, it functions flawlessly. The best part is that it wasn't done with Toyota wiring, so I don't have to meet all the "conditions" that Toyota requires of you to engage. I just flip a switch and go, just like any air locker. And I'm positive it engages just as quickly.

If this truly is a drop in solution, and can be had at reasonable price, then it would be well worth considering. I just want to know what their idea of "drop in" is. I mean, if you don't have to clearance the axle housing, then great. But you still have to pass the harness through the 3rd member housing. How do you do that without modification? Do they supply you a fully assembled 3rd with gears and all? Also, what about a wiring harness and switch? This shows a lot of promise, but definitely leads to more questions than answers. Mainly price point, installation, and what's included? But yeah... You've got a little interest from my end.
 
Yeah, leaks are frustrating.. I'll leave it at that. but [MENTION=68704]superman3043[/MENTION] you have to drill a hole to run an air line through the third, just the same as you would a drop in e-locker's wiring. A lot easier to drill a hole than clearance the axle housing.

I will say I haven't had any issues with my front ARB locker it's worked flawless since it was first installed. My rear locker on the other hand has been a pain in the ass I can't seem to find a route for the copper air line to travel that doesnt wind up getting pinched, rubbed, or damaged enough to cause a leak. Been into it 5 times now with the last attempt getting me around 6 months with a functional rear locker. Only to go through engaging the locker in my drive way just to make sure everything functioned after a good period of not using it. Having it start leaking again..
 
superman3043 said:
Subb'd for future reference. Would be interested in possibly getting a front e-locker to match my rear down the road. Maybe [MENTION=65653]aha2988[/MENTION] would like to share all of his issues with air locker clearances and leaks, both ARB and TJM, since having them on his ride? We did a Toyota e-locker retrofit, and while it was a total pain in the ass to do, now that it's done, operationally, it functions flawlessly. The best part is that it wasn't done with Toyota wiring, so I don't have to meet all the "conditions" that Toyota requires of you to engage. I just flip a switch and go, just like any air locker. And I'm positive it engages just as quickly.

If this truly is a drop in solution, and can be had at reasonable price, then it would be well worth considering. I just want to know what their idea of "drop in" is. I mean, if you don't have to clearance the axle housing, then great. But you still have to pass the harness through the 3rd member housing. How do you do that without modification? Do they supply you a fully assembled 3rd with gears and all? Also, what about a wiring harness and switch? This shows a lot of promise, but definitely leads to more questions than answers. Mainly price point, installation, and what's included? But yeah... You've got a little interest from my end.
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did you click the link in the OP?

the pic shows the wiring lead coming out the front.
 
nevada said:
yes. obviously.

um, im not sure what the problem is here, the pic clearly shows it.

you get a complete 3rd, with the wires ALREADY coming out the front.
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That was the question?? What you'd actually be getting and what you needed to do to make it work. Most companies that sell traction aids only sell the locker, NOT fully built assemblies. Unless you are an aftermarket drive-line shop like East Coast Gear Supply that does the install labor for you and will sell you a built and geared 3rd and will even swap cores with you. I highly doubt the company is going to sell you a fully assembled 3rd even though that is what you see in the picture. That would mean they would need rear & front end assemblies for every make and model that they sell traction aids for. And even if they DID that, it wouldn't be a cost effective solution for the end user, especially considering that the trucks already have perfectly good 3rds on them already. But hey, what do I know. You could be right. You probably know more about HARROP Australia than I do. But I think Austins answer of having to put a hole in your own is more realistic.
 
Oh and just FYI, since you're so adamant about "clicking" things. If you look around that website, you'll find that the photograph you're looking at is just some stock photo. Doesn't matter which axle you click on, you get the same stupid picture.
 
superman3043 said:
That was the question?? What you'd actually be getting and what you needed to do to make it work. Most companies that sell traction aids only sell the locker, NOT fully built assemblies. Unless you are an aftermarket drive-line shop like East Coast Gear Supply that does the install labor for you and will sell you a built and geared 3rd and will even swap cores with you. I highly doubt the company is going to sell you a fully assembled 3rd even though that is what you see in the picture. That would mean they would need rear & front end assemblies for every make and model that they sell traction aids for. And even if they DID that, it wouldn't be a cost effective solution for the end user, especially considering that the trucks already have perfectly good 3rds on them already. But hey, what do I know. You could be right. You probably know more about HARROP Australia than I do. But I think Austins answer of having to put a hole in your own is more realistic.
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hm, a bit more checking, apparently HARROP manufactures the Elockers for Eaton. so perhaps they don't sell a complete 3rd member. the way I had originally read it was they were providing a completed package. since you can(or so I thought) go buy an elocker anywhere.

altho, there are MANY places that will sell you a complete locked 3rd, why is it unreasonable that this place doesn't do that?
 
superman3043 said:
Oh and just FYI, since you're so adamant about "clicking" things. If you look around that website, you'll find that the photograph you're looking at is just some stock photo. Doesn't matter which axle you click on, you get the same stupid picture.
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adamant?
exaggerate much?
I mentioned it ONE time.
 
nevada said:
since you can(or so I thought) go buy an elocker anywhere.
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Only company that makes e-lockers for our trucks is Toyota as far as I know. If you have other sources, please share with the group.

nevada said:
altho, there are MANY places that will sell you a complete locked 3rd, why is it unreasonable that this place doesn't do that?

adamant?
exaggerate much?
I mentioned it ONE time.
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Many? I only know of one, which is the company I've already mentioned. Again, please share these many more sources so that we can add them to the database. Now who's exaggerating?

I never said it wasn't doable, I just said it wouldn't be "cost effective" for the consumer since they're buying parts they don't need, as well as the supplier because of the amount of overhead they'd have to carry.

When you ask questions like "did you even click the link?", which I obviously had, on the internet it can come across as "dick-ish". Especially if you don't have all your facts straight.

OP, sorry for all this clutter.
 
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