Front Recovery Point Interest Thread

Are you interested in a group buy for bolt on front recovery points?

  • Yes

    Votes: 146 78.5%
  • No

    Votes: 40 21.5%

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Does the manual call them "Recovery points?" I read they call them "Emergency Towing Eyelet(s)"

I have no idea. The name doesn't have much value to me.

To me they are 14mm? solid rod welded through the frame. The tensile strength is approximately 30,000lbs (Edit: I corrected this calculation for one side.) If you can break it - I don't know what you're doing - but it's a lot harder core than what i do with my 4runner. The plate recovery hooks are weaker in side loads than the OEM loops. The value of safety is important. The value of "rated" recovery hooks and bridles and ??? are great for discussion over a microbrew IPA at the Macy's overland roundup and spring kitchen design show of how you store them on your $500 molle rack. Spoiler alert - the new color for empty 2 gallon fuel tanks is forest green and subway tile backsplashes are out for 2018 :( .

My serious opinion is to be practical. If the OEM points are strong enough - use them. They're very strong. I'm aware of one broken one that I've ever seen even a picture of. I don't know how it happened. I've seen a lot more broken winch cables and tow straps in person. I still use them. If you have to hit the end of a tow strap at 30mph - you're doing something very wrong and you need to re-asses your recovery plan. If you're pulling with a winch - you're not getting even remotely close to the failure strength of those loops.

If it makes you feel safer - do whatever it is you feel like you need to do.
 
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I have no idea. The name doesn't have much value to me.

To me they are 14mm? solid rod welded through the frame. The tensile strength is approximately 30,000lbs (Edit: I corrected this calculation for one side.) If you can break it - I don't know what you're doing - but it's a lot harder core than what i do with my 4runner. The plate recovery hooks are weaker in side loads than the OEM loops. The value of safety is important. The value of "rated" recovery hooks and bridles and ??? are great for discussion over a microbrew IPA at the Macy's overland roundup and spring kitchen design show of how you store them on your $500 molle rack. Spoiler alert - the new color for empty 2 gallon fuel tanks is forest green and subway tile backsplashes are out for 2018 :( .

My serious opinion is to be practical. If the OEM points are strong enough - use them. They're very strong. I'm aware of one broken one that I've ever seen even a picture of. I don't know how it happened. I've seen a lot more broken winch cables and tow straps in person. I still use them. If you have to hit the end of a tow strap at 30mph - you're doing something very wrong and you need to re-asses your recovery plan. If you're pulling with a winch - you're not getting even remotely close to the failure strength of those loops.

If it makes you feel safer - do whatever it is you feel like you need to do.

:spit: I talk about the trend of this whole "overlanding" thing with my friends a lot and we always get stuck ragging on those $80 2 gallon tanks. Or daily driving your rig with your rtt. But to get back on topic...

I'm just genuinely curious to what recovery points I should be using without a front bumper. If tensile strength of the factory points are around 30,000lbs, then I feel safe using them. (which I have used to get pulled off previously stated boulder and to get tugged out of some mud)
 
:spit: I talk about the trend of this whole "overlanding" thing with my friends a lot and we always get stuck ragging on those $80 2 gallon tanks. Or daily driving your rig with your rtt. But to get back on topic...

I'm just genuinely curious to what recovery points I should be using without a front bumper. If tensile strength of the factory points are around 30,000lbs, then I feel safe using them. (which I have used to get pulled off previously stated boulder and to get tugged out of some mud)

I'm glad you laughed. It was meant purely in jest about the overland thing. For me it's replacing "epic" as the most overused term.

I think the front OEM recover points are strong enough for all but the most unusual and extreme scenarios. I also think they are stronger than the common "rated" bolt on recover points as proposed here. Unfortunately I don't have a current license for solidworks so I can't do a FEA model to provide good visual proof of that. What I can say with complete confidence is that they are designed to withstand a LOT more load than simply tying down the vehicle during transport. If you take a close look - they are set through both flanges of the frame bracket they are welded to - and welded from the backside. That's how they should be engineered to maximize tearout strength. To me they are clearly engineered as tow points, not simply tie downs.

As far as math goes - if they are 14mm dia rod each side would have a cross sectional area of just under 0.25 square inches. If they are made of basic mild steel typically known as "A36" (ultimate tensile strength of 58,000-80,000lbs) they have a tensile strength at the conservative end of 58,000 x 0.25 or 14,500lbs. That's for each side of the loop. When you pull on it, you spread the load to both sides evenly in a straight forward pull. So you're approximately 29,000lbs of ultimate tensile strength in a straight line pull. That's assuming mild steel. If they're any of the higher strength steel materials it could easily be double that. I have to assume low carbon steel given that I have no idea what it is.

It's very hard to model exactly what kind of force you'll actually apply with a tow strap. I don't love them because you rely on imprecise loads and rely heavily on shock loads that are often dangerous. That's why a winch is almost always my first choice.

Normally I'd like at least a safety factor of 2, but that's not always realistic in these situations. To put the loads into a little perspective -
* a loaded 4runner is rarely over 6000lbs.
*The synthetic rope on my 9500lb winch is rated for 17,500lbs.
*Most winch mounts are attached to the front frame flange by 8 8mm bolts. Each bolt has a rated thread tearout strength of about 16kn (3,597 lbs). The entire winch mount has a tearout strength of around 28,700lbs. About the same as one of those tie down hoops. (My winch has tie plates that also run back to the mounting points that the recovery points proposed in this thread use - so it's stronger than some, but it's probably overkill. I'm overly cautious.)
*if you hit the end of a tow strap at 20mph, depending on ton of factors including the strap its self, you could easily exceed 100,000lbs of force and break almost anything including the frame its self. There is no tow hook that would withstand some types of abuse. Use a snatch strap if possible to dampen the forces, and start small. If you need 3 or 5 attempts to get unstuck - that's totally fine. Go a little harder each time rather than just flooring it on the first shot. It's always easier to spend an extra 5 minutes to get safely unstuck than trying to figure out how to get unbroken.

The "rated" recovery points are usually made from 1/2" steel plate in some 50 series material. That material has a higher yield point (- it resists bending more) but basically the same (or sometimes lower) ultimate tensile strength (when it actually fractures). The cross sectional area of the final loop they make is usually 1/2x1/2 or... 0.25 square inches. Meaning they have relatively similar ultimate tensile strength and tearout properties as your OEM recovery point.

What they DONT have is a comparably strong connection to the frame. The OEM points are welded in 4 locations that spread the loading to the frame bracket. The aftermarket ones are bolted through only 2 or sometimes 3 points with relatively small weldnuts holding them in place. In a sideways pull on the front end - that's not uncommon in my experience - you now are putting significant leverage against the first bolt forward on that recovery point. There's a good chance it will fail. It's much weaker than the OEM recover point in that orientation. That's where you'll have potential to damage your vehicle or hurt someone.

I would love to see a heavily reinforced set of mounting points with a forged, rated, tow hook. We all would. But unfortunately we don't have that option. The OEM points are strong enough for me. I would save your pennies for a winch instead of spending a bunch of $ on something that is marginally stronger in a direct forward pull and significantly weaker in side loads.

If you're really cautious, maybe use both?
 
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Yes for Front Recovery Point 5th Gen 4Runner

Yes, I definitely want to buy a pair of your Front Recovery Point for 5th Gen 4Runner (TRD Off Road Edition). Put me down for one pair at $150. Thank You.
 
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Yes for recovery points!

Put me down for a powder coated red set, sounds like they'll fit my 2013 SR5.

On a second point, why is it that so many people here are anti-upgrade or are full-faith on those tiny factory "tow-tiedown-whatevertheyare-loops" ..one has already been noted as tearing off, with the limp metal spec and multiple shear angles that can be had when offroad pulling/winching..who in their right mind actually trusts those tiny coat hangers for a pull out?lol, a slight side force could easily shear a weld like that, and has apparently ..even my buddies new Grand Cherokee Trailhawk has nice beefy exposed red towhooks integrated into the factory bumper..more for looks albeit, but still, plenty useful!
 
Put me down for a powder coated red set, sounds like they'll fit my 2013 SR5.

On a second point, why is it that so many people here are anti-upgrade or are full-faith on those tiny factory "tow-tiedown-whatevertheyare-loops" ..one has already been noted as tearing off, with the limp metal spec and multiple shear angles that can be had when offroad pulling/winching..who in their right mind actually trusts those tiny coat hangers for a pull out?lol, a slight side force could easily shear a weld like that, and has apparently ..even my buddies new Grand Cherokee Trailhawk has nice beefy exposed red towhooks integrated into the factory bumper..more for looks albeit, but still, plenty useful!

Some of us make reasoned decisions. Based on material science.... some of us like shiny red things that look cool.
 
Jetboy quote: "Some of us make reasoned decisions. Based on material science.... some of us like shiny red things that look cool."

It is well known that the red color adds a minimum of 10 tons to the tensile strength of the underlying metal. Just paint the OEM "tie down" loops fire engine red and they will be uber strong. :lmao:
 
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sorry guys, this has been tabled for a while from other projects. hoping to get everything finished up in the coming few months.

been crazy busy at TOO HQ, good problem to have, but it slows stuff like this down.
 
Thanks to Mark, we've got fitment confirmed on non-kdss 150 series trucks. I'm going to load test these guys one last time and i'll get pricing finalized.
 

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