SeattleMike
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What BS? My opinion is BS? Is that your opinion?
General Questions for Current Owners - Likes/Dislikes?
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Ryan F.
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It's getting a little chilly here in the 4 Runner Forums! :wtf:
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LongBallLarry
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I made myself clear earlier. At least so I thought.
You add great value to the forum about the actual truck but you come off as a know-it-all on other matters. Different strokes for different folks.
SeattleMike
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I see. And you have taken it upon yourself to shadow me around the forum and correct me as needed? Is that it?
LongBallLarry
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I don't even know what that means. Anyway, I'll see you around the board and I look forward to reading your insight on the truck.
BrianLSU
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Well, damnit, I'll admit it...
It'll be a while till I take mine out to some of those tough Moab trails. There are relatively easy ones with great views, but I know better with the tough ones. I use to do the Jeep Jamborees and found the following equation explains the relationship between hardcore 4x4 trails and your daily driver;
x = trail difficulty
y = drivers experience / ability
z = vehicle's ability
Scale 1-10
(x2) / (y1.5 + z)=cost of 4wheeling experience
i.e. Hardcore 4Wheeling costs $$$
Watch this for confirmation of the equation;
YouTube - Rubicon Rollover at Moab's Potato Salad Hill
(8)2 / (3)1.5 + 10 = 4.2 (vehicle depreciation out of 10)*
note* this is not a scientific study just a WAG.
Gotta love the commentary; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-9mKJ34M8&feature=related
And here we have a great driver and no lockers; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duW3HcJa7vI&feature=related (this guy is good)
And my personal favorite, the first Jeep. Gotta love wasting your vehicle to the cheers of all those people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiT-rglqmIs&feature=related
It'll be a while till I take mine out to some of those tough Moab trails. There are relatively easy ones with great views, but I know better with the tough ones. I use to do the Jeep Jamborees and found the following equation explains the relationship between hardcore 4x4 trails and your daily driver;
x = trail difficulty
y = drivers experience / ability
z = vehicle's ability
Scale 1-10
(x2) / (y1.5 + z)=cost of 4wheeling experience
i.e. Hardcore 4Wheeling costs $$$
Watch this for confirmation of the equation;
YouTube - Rubicon Rollover at Moab's Potato Salad Hill
(8)2 / (3)1.5 + 10 = 4.2 (vehicle depreciation out of 10)*
note* this is not a scientific study just a WAG.
Gotta love the commentary; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-9mKJ34M8&feature=related
And here we have a great driver and no lockers; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duW3HcJa7vI&feature=related (this guy is good)
And my personal favorite, the first Jeep. Gotta love wasting your vehicle to the cheers of all those people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiT-rglqmIs&feature=related
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LongBallLarry
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dron
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Related to Trail Edition...
I like everything but
1. manual transfer case. My 10-years old mid-trim Ford Explorer has an Automatic TC with a simple knob to operate with. Never had any problems with it while off-roding. Instead, 2010 4Runner offers me a cranky, hard to move, "reverse and do-it-again" manual TC. What is the heck?
2. Sliding cargo floor. I bought this truck specifically to use for camping, hunting, fishing and other off-Roading. Besides, it is called TRAIL Edition. I need a space in the back to carry heavy, bulky, dirty stuff, not suitcases for my Caribbean vacation. And even worse, because of this stupid thing, I cannot put any liners.
3. Moon(sun)roof. I found it useful only for smoking drivers. I can hardly imagine any other use for this thing. Just another point for break, leak and other headaches.
4. Scoop. What a pointless gadget! Nothing else but collector of dirt and debris.
5. Fender antenna. No comments.
6. Not-memorisable seat positions. It is so annoying each time to adjust the seat after somebody else drives the car.
7. A-TRAC, VSC, TRC, lock diff., crawl, multi-terrain - the may be extremely useful, but they look so confusing right now. Very little explanation in a manual as to what option to use at which situation.
8. Absent of off-road tires.
9. Not-customizable "customizable" options.
I like everything but
1. manual transfer case. My 10-years old mid-trim Ford Explorer has an Automatic TC with a simple knob to operate with. Never had any problems with it while off-roding. Instead, 2010 4Runner offers me a cranky, hard to move, "reverse and do-it-again" manual TC. What is the heck?
2. Sliding cargo floor. I bought this truck specifically to use for camping, hunting, fishing and other off-Roading. Besides, it is called TRAIL Edition. I need a space in the back to carry heavy, bulky, dirty stuff, not suitcases for my Caribbean vacation. And even worse, because of this stupid thing, I cannot put any liners.
3. Moon(sun)roof. I found it useful only for smoking drivers. I can hardly imagine any other use for this thing. Just another point for break, leak and other headaches.
4. Scoop. What a pointless gadget! Nothing else but collector of dirt and debris.
5. Fender antenna. No comments.
6. Not-memorisable seat positions. It is so annoying each time to adjust the seat after somebody else drives the car.
7. A-TRAC, VSC, TRC, lock diff., crawl, multi-terrain - the may be extremely useful, but they look so confusing right now. Very little explanation in a manual as to what option to use at which situation.
8. Absent of off-road tires.
9. Not-customizable "customizable" options.
BrianLSU
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For the OP, here's my list;
Likes
Quiet, comfortable, really like the NAV and Bluetooth, handles excellent off-road*, nice interior layout, interior operations and damnit, I'll say it again...it's comfortable.
Dislikes
Still trying to decide if I like the bottom body work. I might do what Harper did and switch to the Trail body work, but for now it's good. There are some plastic surfaces I would have liked to have seen upgraded. Left arm position on driver door gets a little old after 8 hours on the road. Overall though, I'm extremely happy.
*mild offloading through the hill country. I felt the engine/tranny relationship worked excellent for uphill/rocky accents. Smooth traction without annoying engine lag or abrupt acceleration. Climbed like a goat.
Likes
Quiet, comfortable, really like the NAV and Bluetooth, handles excellent off-road*, nice interior layout, interior operations and damnit, I'll say it again...it's comfortable.
Dislikes
Still trying to decide if I like the bottom body work. I might do what Harper did and switch to the Trail body work, but for now it's good. There are some plastic surfaces I would have liked to have seen upgraded. Left arm position on driver door gets a little old after 8 hours on the road. Overall though, I'm extremely happy.
*mild offloading through the hill country. I felt the engine/tranny relationship worked excellent for uphill/rocky accents. Smooth traction without annoying engine lag or abrupt acceleration. Climbed like a goat.
dburke2001
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Likes:
Everything it is fantastic!
Dislikes:
The only thing that is bothering me is low speed hard shifting issue. Taking it in the dealer tomorrow and they are taking a look. Shit is annoying and it seems to always want to stay in 4th gear so when slowing down then resuming it has to JUMP to 1st. Even in traffic when I come to a stop and shift into "S" mode I'm in 4th gear!
Everything it is fantastic!
Dislikes:
The only thing that is bothering me is low speed hard shifting issue. Taking it in the dealer tomorrow and they are taking a look. Shit is annoying and it seems to always want to stay in 4th gear so when slowing down then resuming it has to JUMP to 1st. Even in traffic when I come to a stop and shift into "S" mode I'm in 4th gear!
Sponge
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My 08 Lexus IS250 AWD does this...but it doesn't shift hard AT ALL.
No, you are not in 4th gear and it's not a sport shift like you find in sport coupes. I believe it's just an electronic substitution for not having 1-4 gates on the shift column. I think it just sets the highest gear the transmission will shift in to and the default is 4.
Rob
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xXchemikillz
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I currently own a 2005 SR5 T4R. At least once a year I drive across country to visit family. I'm 6' 2" and driving all day kills my lower back. Cruise control helps alot but I could use a bit more legroom. Does the 5th Gen model have more legroom than the 4th? Has anyone tall, taken an extended drive and care to share the experience? Thanks
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I think this truck is perfect. It is my first 4runner and first Toyota. Previous cars include several Nissan Z's, G35c etc and a Ford Expedition. I have never loved a vehicle more than this 4runner. In my eyes, there are no cons. It has every imaginable feature and then some.
I am 6'2 myself and one thing I love about my 4runner is the room. My leather seats are very comfortable.
I really mean no offense here, but you sound like a whiny BMW owner. I consider the 4runner a rugged type of vehicle and expect some of the things you listed as cons, to be part of the experience. (Several of the cons you listed are actually consistent across several manufacturers as well) If I wanted a quiet, wind free, smooth ride, I probably would have purchased a Lexus.
Wow - nobody mentioned the backup camera??? LOVE iT! Coming from an FJ, the backup camera is a dream.
Other fav's
-proximity key - so handy when juggling gear / kids
-mileage is great - I got 710km on the highway (mountains) before the gas light came on.
-heated seats
-Great passing power on the highway
-pre-wired trailer plugs (the FJ lacked this)
-It's on a beefy, well-proven truck frame - it'll survive our un-plowed snowy winter roads
Improvements (just some minor tweaks in case factory designers are reading this, non of these would actually prevent me from buying this truck)
-it took about 10hours to actually purchase the vehicle after I said yes - can't the dealer speed this process up?
-I've given up on the bluetooth ipod music player - it works great with the phone, but always gave problems working the music, now I just use the usb port instead
-In Canada, I had to buy the LTD model to get the 3rd row seat. I would've rather purchased the Trail with this option, as the trail's waterproof seats are better with kids
-I didn't buy the nav - $3k for that upgrade seemed ridiculous on a $50k vehicle. That said, with an Iphone, you don't really need it.
-Climate control needs a deadband - it seems like it's always on.
-The one surprising thing is that the ride isn't as "plush" as the FJ, considering they are built on the same platform - I still like it though
I just got my 2011 SR5 4x4 this weekend. After a two year hiatus from my last T4R (2004 SR5 2WD bought new and drove for 130k miles) it was like coming home. Everything seemed intuitive and felt right.
I trade in my 2004 when I moved to PA in 08 and needed something 4WD for the snow. I bought an 03 Range Rover with 50k miles on it and it was a fun car for a while, did a little offroading (driving in the snow was like driving in the rain, it handled great). But over the last two years I got to the point where I knew I needed to get something else before crap started failing on the RR, so I went back to my roots.
The 2011 T4R SR5 4x4 (salsa red) has been awesome (at least for the past three days and 800 miles). We picked it up in Chicago and drove back to Arkansas.
I asked our 18-month old son "do you like our new car?"
- "noo"
Me- "really?" (thinking- What the heck?!? Well you'll learn to like it, 'cause in 14.5 years it's the car you'll be driving
)
- "noo"
I asked him again later if he was ready for bed and he said "NO" and I realized he wasn't saying 'no' about the car earlier he was saying 'new'. He needs to learn enunciation.
Anyhow, I really like the 5th gen T4R but have a few minor dislikes:
Dislikes:
- the stupid eco light - turned that trash off about seven minutes after leaving the dealership (silly Obama mandated inititive, I'm sure )
- rear windshield wiper range
- cruise control downshifting if it gets 1/10th of a MPH below where it was set (same as on the 2004), so aggervating.
- not being able to read the raido display with polarized sunglasses or if the lights are on before total darkness outside.
- running boards not standard
- not having auto-dimming mirrors or seat-memory.
All in all, as I said above, getting into the truck felt like coming home, after the range rover. I put 130k miles on my 2004 4runner in college from 04-08 and would probably still be driving had it been 4WD, now I'll get the next 15 years to see if that therory hold true.
I trade in my 2004 when I moved to PA in 08 and needed something 4WD for the snow. I bought an 03 Range Rover with 50k miles on it and it was a fun car for a while, did a little offroading (driving in the snow was like driving in the rain, it handled great). But over the last two years I got to the point where I knew I needed to get something else before crap started failing on the RR, so I went back to my roots.
The 2011 T4R SR5 4x4 (salsa red) has been awesome (at least for the past three days and 800 miles). We picked it up in Chicago and drove back to Arkansas.
I asked our 18-month old son "do you like our new car?"
- "noo"
Me- "really?" (thinking- What the heck?!? Well you'll learn to like it, 'cause in 14.5 years it's the car you'll be driving
)- "noo"
I asked him again later if he was ready for bed and he said "NO" and I realized he wasn't saying 'no' about the car earlier he was saying 'new'. He needs to learn enunciation.
Anyhow, I really like the 5th gen T4R but have a few minor dislikes:
Dislikes:
- the stupid eco light - turned that trash off about seven minutes after leaving the dealership (silly Obama mandated inititive, I'm sure
)- rear windshield wiper range
- cruise control downshifting if it gets 1/10th of a MPH below where it was set (same as on the 2004), so aggervating.
- not being able to read the raido display with polarized sunglasses or if the lights are on before total darkness outside.
- running boards not standard
- not having auto-dimming mirrors or seat-memory.
All in all, as I said above, getting into the truck felt like coming home, after the range rover. I put 130k miles on my 2004 4runner in college from 04-08 and would probably still be driving had it been 4WD, now I'll get the next 15 years to see if that therory hold true.
