Got the Lift, Need a Jack

[cbreze]

Huh? I've changed a tire with it twice now, once in my driveway to test it out and once on another guy's truck in the boonies. It absolutely is for tire changes, or anything else you need to lift the truck for.



Again, huh? If your sliders won't support the full weight of your truck, they aren't sliders. They're tube-shaped running boards.

Just quoting the exhaust jack link someone posted. The manufacturers words not mine regarding changing a tire. Good to know your real world experience with it. Does seem kind of 50% useless if it won't work that way.

Not my sliders that failed. Some other posters. Mine have no issues and I'm very pleased with them. Metal tech has a video someplace of them lifting a runner with a fork lift under the sliders to prove the strength. mine seem sturdy as hell. I'm thinking the one with the broken slider had some type of extenuating circumstances, whatever that was.

 

[KidVermicious]

Huh, it does say that, doesn't it? Must be a lawyer thing.

 

[PopsSmith]

Is your wife going to be changing tires on the trail or on roadside? I'd just get AAA so she doesn't have to do a thing.

We definitely have AAA but I would prefer for her to still have the option of doing it herself.

 

[PopsSmith]

Bump for more ideas or suggestions

 

[Greg_Canada]

Do not give you wife a hi-lift for changing tires, those things are EXTREMELY dangerous. They are for recovery situations only!!!
A block of wood is 10000x more stable and 100000x safer than a hi-lift.

 

[harper7]

I also carry a couple of 4x4 blocks of hardwood about 6-8" long in the back compartment with the factory jack and I also have an old school scissor jack back there in case I need a second jack for more stability some place . A scissor jack like this one that I've carried for years but mines a little more heavy duty.......... Scissor Jack - 1-1/2 Ton

 

[mjohns2]

Are you guys saying/implying that women can't use a hi-lift?

What is so different in a hi-lift that some posters are saying don't let your wife use a hi-lift? I would imagine, properly trained, anyone can use a hi-lift.

 

[MadeInMaine]

Why not an exhaust lift for tire change?
Too much shaking / motion from vehicle?

 

[PopsSmith]

Are you guys saying/implying that women can't use a hi-lift?

What is so different in a hi-lift that some posters are saying don't let your wife use a hi-lift? I would imagine, properly trained, anyone can use a hi-lift.

Not saying that a woman couldn't use a Hi-Lift but I wouldn't trust MY wife with a Hi-Lift. I barely trust her to drive the 4runner in a straight line.

 

[Intruder]

Are you guys saying/implying that women can't use a hi-lift?

What is so different in a hi-lift that some posters are saying don't let your wife use a hi-lift? I would imagine, properly trained, anyone can use a hi-lift.

Nobody said women specifically can't use a Hi-Lift - we're saying they can be dangerous when used by anyone who doesn't know how to use it properly. The thing that's so different is what's called autojacking. Go watch the video I posted earlier in this thread and imagine someone's head or other body part being between the I beam and handle on that jack. The weight of the vehicle is what's propelling the handle.

 

[Canazes9]

Are you guys saying/implying that women can't use a hi-lift?

What is so different in a hi-lift that some posters are saying don't let your wife use a hi-lift? I would imagine, properly trained, anyone can use a hi-lift.

Hi-Lift Jack injuries - JeepForum.com

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</td><td class="alt1" id="td_post_9337818" style="border-right: 1px solid #000000"> I was jacking up a f250 4x4 with one on a driveway. I had to use a high lift because the truck was so high a floor jack didn't go up high enough. The jack started leaning a bit, so I let it back down and tried again. The second time it started to lean AGAIN, so I tried to reverse the jack. The jack popped out and the handle nailed me in the ear. It had the whole force of the truck behind it when it struck me. I had barely enough sense to find a soft way to fall and that was about it, it knocked me on my ***. I was laying on the ground shouting "am I bleeding, and get me ice!" to my gf that was nearby. I was lucky that it hit me in my ear and cushioned the blow just enough to keep it from breaking my skull. I did have a mild to moderate concussion from the impact and had a hard time talking properly the rest of the day.

Lesson learned if the jack starts to angle, get out of the way. Kick the truck from the side and let it fall the way it's leaning, with nobody near the jack. Bumpers, and jacks can be replaced, your skull can't!

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My wife does not have the skill and probably lacks the upper body strength to properly operate a hi-lift jack. Yes, he is describing using the jack incorrectly, but still he was anticipating a problem and it got away from him. My wife will not be able to properly operate a hi-lift on the side of a dark highway and the idea of the above scenario or similar playing out for her will make me seek other alternatives if modifications to her T4R exceed the capability of her factory jack.

Actually, scenarios like the above description scare me into not wanting to use my hi-lift myself to change a tire if I have an alternative. I'll use it if I have to on the trail, but otherwise...

David

 

[Tengu]

There are the instances when a general statement about a known person or subject gets taken the wrong way and someone wants to be offended just for the sake of being the righteous indignant one. For f-sake people, quit reading too much into $hit and take it for what it is. No one should get their panties in a twist because a person who knows his wife, realizes what is in and out of her bounds. Attention span for mechanical and semi mechanical elements draw quick blank stares. I've gotten the same blank stare on operation of a glock, would I put it in their hand? Noooooooo. But I also should be able to say that is not someone I would hand it to and why. Keep it simple stupid is only as simple as the mechanical inclination of the user.

 

[eddiebx]

For you guys with more experience, wouldn't only vehicles that have extended their down travel need a "tall" jack?

Let's just say someone kept the OE shocks and only installed stiffer springs all around to lift the vehicle 3"; when jacking this vehicle up, the tires will still only droop as much as if it had not been lifted (since the shocks and/or ball joints limit the down travel)?

If so, it would seem like the OE jack should still be able to lift it high enough change a tire? Or am I missing something here?

 

[Canazes9]

For you guys with more experience, wouldn't only vehicles that have extended their down travel need a "tall" jack?

Let's just say someone kept the OE shocks and only installed stiffer springs all around to lift the vehicle 3"; when jacking this vehicle up, the tires will still only droop as much as if it had not been lifted (since the shocks and/or ball joints limit the down travel)?

If so, it would seem like the OE jack should still be able to lift it high enough change a tire? Or am I missing something here?

Extended travel and taller tires. I've got my two Tacoma's lifted just under 2" each with MT/AT stock size tires - Factory jack works just fine for both. I'm betting my wife's T4R with the low lift Icon set-up I have planned and 265/70R17 Mickey Thompson MTZ's will work just fine with the factory jack as well. Will check for certain to be sure.

Even stock sized 265/70R17 MT tires can be significantly taller than the factory p metric tires. I could see where it might be possible to have a problem swapping to 285's. Extended travel suspension in conjunction w/ big tires would probably assure a problem (guessing, I haven't checked it myself).

David

 

[eddiebx]

Good point about the taller tires, never thought about that!

 

[phillyd2]

For you guys with more experience, wouldn't only vehicles that have extended their down travel need a "tall" jack?

Let's just say someone kept the OE shocks and only installed stiffer springs all around to lift the vehicle 3"; when jacking this vehicle up, the tires will still only droop as much as if it had not been lifted (since the shocks and/or ball joints limit the down travel)?

If so, it would seem like the OE jack should still be able to lift it high enough change a tire? Or am I missing something here?

Don't take this wrong but you should try your OEM jack to see if its long enough. Also, practice lowering your spare. Its sort of a PIA until you do it a few times. As we all know - Mr. Murphy loves to works when it's raining and cold and when you are wearing your prettiest dress :biggrin2:

 

[Canazes9]

Don't take this wrong but you should try your OEM jack to see if its long enough. Also, practice lowering your spare. Its sort of a PIA until you do it a few times. As we all know - Mr. Murphy loves to works when it's raining and cold and when you are wearing your prettiest dress :biggrin2:

Only way to know for sure....

David

 

[eddiebx]

Don't take this wrong but you should try your OEM jack to see if its long enough. Also, practice lowering your spare. Its sort of a PIA until you do it a few times. As we all know - Mr. Murphy loves to works when it's raining and cold and when you are wearing your prettiest dress :biggrin2:

No offense taken at all Dave. This is a great suggestion if I actually got off my lazy arse and installed all my lift parts that's been sitting around for almost half a year in my living room :sadwave:

For now it's still bone stock, so I can't test it out to see for myself. However, I've already mastered lowering and raising the spare tire and I don't usually wear dresses when it's cold or raining out.

 

[Tengu]

No offense taken at all Dave. This is a great suggestion if I actually got off my lazy arse and installed all my lift parts that's been sitting around for almost half a year in my living room :sadwave:

Sounds like me and my skid plates.

 

[Intruder]

Sorry to resurrect this, but I saw this article today and it reminded me of this thread right away.

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