1engineer
Moderator
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/114342-tires-2.html
My tread width for the Cooper AT3's measure 8.75" to the tread radius, which is almost an inch wider than stock OEM tires. One reason I went with them. Read the link.
Help With The 285 vs. 265 Question
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http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/114342-tires-2.html
My tread width for the Cooper AT3's measure 8.75" to the tread radius, which is almost an inch wider than stock OEM tires. One reason I went with them. Read the link.
limamike
New member
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but as others have pointed-out threads like this clutter up the forum for new and more interesting topics. The 285 rubbing question is probably the most discussed topic in this subforum. Is it possible for a mod (ahem [MENTION=48772]Jesse1983[/MENTION]) to immediately close topics like this and link them to relevant threads? If they need to ask more questions they can resurrect that thread. But, all the forum seems to be lately is questions about 285s, suspension leveling, and if the Jeep Grand Cherokee is a better truck. I can honestly say that my participation in the forum has dwindled (not that it matters to most people!) because of these redundant threads.
jrandom
New member
I haven't been around here long enough to know better BUT i have been on forums for more than a decade and I too did find it a bit odd to see so many redundant thread starts.
In the defense of all the tire threads, tires are the most purchased upgrade, hands down. Which is why I thought Engineer1's tire sizing chart was a fantastic idea, and since tires threads are rampant maybe a specific "Before You Post - TIRES" sticky thread needs to be stuck? Hell and add another that says "This is not a JGC forum, so don't ask" that upon clicking boots the user and auto-bans them. :madgrin:
In defense of the OP, what I got out of it was, it seemed to be more directed towards specific uses of a tire and not necessarily "how f**k'n cool my truck will look?" thread
So yes, I do agree limamike, and participation does matter! I could not imaging this forum without all of the meaningful users. I wouldn't be here that's for sure. The maturity level here surpasses quite a few of the others too, which in my book is huge. There are plenty of other places to go with kiddie flame-wars and b***h threads.
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I'm sorry this thread doesn't meet your standards limamike, and I'm also sorry your Internet carrier apparently forces you to read everything that you have no interest in.
Let me point out this thread isn't actually about 285's rubbing...or perhaps you missed the part where I wrote "Yes I do wonder about rubbing, and wondered if that's a difficult or expensive item to fix? However let me be more specific on the real question" (emphasis added).
In addition we have the inconvenient fact that of 22 posts in this thread, only 5 even mention that subject. Of those Ducmonsta asked if the question was about a rub with 285's. I replied that wasn't the question. Then limamike joined in at the very end to complain about "the 285 rubbing question."
Which leaves us with a grand total of two posts daring to address the verboten subject :wtf:
Since you're signature states "specialization is for insects" limamike, let me point out this thread has at least the following:
1. Two posts about rubbing
2. One post linking a 5th Gen tire fitment thread
3. One post linking a very informative Cooper AT3 thread (thank you)
4. Two posts comparing different weight and size tires vs. rolling resistance
5. Three joking / teasing posts
6. Two posts on fit for 285's in the spare location
7. Two posts on mud flap removal affecting side window view-ability
8. One post with detailed specs for a tire a member was interested in
9. Multiple posts about airing down vs. larger size tires
10. Multiple posts about the opposing purpose of tires for mud vs. sand
11. Multiple posts with details on tires / cost / tread that fit the 5th Gen as is
That's not a specialized thread, nor one any reasonable person could think was based on the thing we dare not mention. I would add lima, there are 15 likes. So people either really want to talk about the subject of rubbing.....or you have a cause celebre that landed in the wrong place.
harper7
Senior Member
I'm sorry this thread doesn't meet your standards limamike, and I'm also sorry your Internet carrier apparently forces you to read everything that you have no interest in.
Let me point out this thread isn't actually about 285's rubbing...or perhaps you missed the part where I wrote "Yes I do wonder about rubbing, and wondered if that's a difficult or expensive item to fix? However let me be more specific on the real question" (emphasis added).
In addition we have the inconvenient fact that of 22 posts in this thread, only 5 even mention that subject. Of those Ducmonsta asked if the question was about a rub with 285's. I replied that wasn't the question. Then limamike joined in at the very end to complain about "the 285 rubbing question."
Which leaves us with a grand total of two posts daring to address the verboten subject :wtf:
Since you're signature states "specialization is for insects" limamike, let me point out this thread has at least the following:
1. Two posts about rubbing
2. One post linking a 5th Gen tire fitment thread
3. One post linking a very informative Cooper AT3 thread (thank you)
4. Two posts comparing different weight and size tires vs. rolling resistance
5. Three joking / teasing posts
6. Two posts on fit for 285's in the spare location
7. Two posts on mud flap removal affecting side window view-ability
8. One post with detailed specs for a tire a member was interested in
9. Multiple posts about airing down vs. larger size tires
10. Multiple posts about the opposing purpose of tires for mud vs. sand
11. Multiple posts with details on tires / cost / tread that fit the 5th Gen as is
That's not a specialized thread, nor one any reasonable person could think was based on the thing we dare not mention. I would add lima, there are 15 likes. So people either really want to talk about the subject of rubbing.....or you have a cause celebre that landed in the wrong place.
Ummmmm.....Go back and read your first post in this thread you yourself named "Help With The 285 vs 265 Question"
There is only one question in that first post"Then there's the question of what, if any, rubbing comes up by going bigger? For those of you who went from the OEM's, or another 265/70/265, up to 285's....I'd sure appreciate your experiences and opinions.
The rest of it is all statements you concluded!
What is your other question in it besides 285's rubbing like 50 other threads?
phillyd2
Senior Member
I've heard that they are not as reliable as as the 4Runner. :toilet3:
Ummmmm.....Go back and read your first post in this thread you yourself named "Help With The 285 vs 265 Question"
There is only one question in that first post"Then there's the question of what, if any, rubbing comes up by going bigger? For those of you who went from the OEM's, or another 265/70/265, up to 285's....I'd sure appreciate your experiences and opinions.
The rest of it is all statements you concluded!
What is your other question in it besides 285's rubbing like 50 other threads?
harper please go back and read my very next post after realizing the original post had inadvertently sent at least one person in the wrong direction. BTY it was posted only 30 minutes later.
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Originally Posted by Ducmonsta View Post
Where's your question?
Is your question about rub with a 285?
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Yes I do wonder about rubbing, and wondered if that's a difficult or expensive item to fix? However let me be more specific on the real question (sorry I wasn't clear.)
Disregarding which size tire may or may not look better:
1. Do forum members think the extra 1/2 to 3/4 inch tread width will make a noticeable difference for the use intended. That is extra float on sand or mud? If so how much...10%....20%?
2. What, if any, was the MPG loss when up-sizing from 265 to 285 size?
3. Considering the additional cost of a spare, up-charge, and potential future loss of MPG, what is the opinion of forum members on whether the upgrade in tread width a questionable item....or worth it?
Thanks in advance for any help...this forum is an invaluable resource, and I feel privileged to be part of it.
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By the time limamike chimed in, almost a full day had gone by and another 16 posts had been added. More to the point on each occasion when the subject matter strayed (mud on the side windows, deflators and compressors, rubbing and clearance, 285 spare fit) I tried to steer it back on point.
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Originally Posted by Canazes9 View Post
I find it difficult to take the request for off road tire information seriously from someone that won't air down their tires off road. You are debating a 10% diff in contact patch when 100% larger contact patch is available for ~ $150.
Buy a compressor and some deflators..
A mild LT AT tire would be perfect for your use. Mickey Thompson STZ 275/70R17 would seem like an excellent choice to me. They will fit with no rubbing:
Mickey Thompson Performance Tires & Wheels
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David I'm afraid you've misunderstood and that's my fault. Let me explain that we're talking about destination off roading to surf spots in the bush, for lack of better term. I actually do carry a compressor, and this isn't a case of refusing to air down. The peculiarities of the region make driving with speed on the sand virtually mandatory.
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Originally Posted by Titanpat57 View Post
Being a Revo II guy myself (LT's) I doubt there will be any difference at all between the 265/285.....IIRC there was a 6 lb' difference between them....but rolling resistance would be negligible.
I'm switching over to 285's this spring.
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pat - I'm not doubting you at all, but could you be more specific as to your thinking the rolling resistance would be negligibly different with the width / weight differential?
Thanks,
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Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
Well you have two opposing uses.
Sand you want flotation with very little penetration. The taller and wider the lugs the deeper the penetration and disturbance you create in the surface of the sand the easier to sink. The idea with sand is too make it think you are not there That said besides a paddle, worn down wide at or mt tires work best in sand.
Mud on the other hand is the opposite, wider spacing, taller lugs allow for easier cleaning, so material does not build up giving you more traction, or at the least better swimming through. The basic idea for most mud is to cut through it and get down to firm ground so a taller narrow tire with large deep lugs is usually best. Think swamp buggies
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Thank you j. That was a very well written synopsis of the dilemma for anyone with a focus on sand and mud. We're at cross purposes, and it's a delicate balancing act to reach the perfect compromise.
A couple people (including LandCruiser & Intruder) have made it clear the 285 size presents at least some fit challenges. Canazes made a very interesting suggestion for 275's that provide a wider tread and will fit. However as many people know there's next to nothing available in that size.
The Mickey Thompson STZ Canazes linked look fantastic. They get excellent reviews, and spec out with a very impressive 8.85" tread width (and 32.18" diameter). Then again they should look great at $228. a copy. With the spare and size up-charge we're talking a good $500. more than installing four P265's like a Nitto or Toyo.
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I can't imagine how any of the above constitutes a thread intended to be on "the 285 rubbing question." I also don't see where cherry picking a couple of original sentences which are clearly stated as misunderstood and redirected away from immediately thereafter, makes for a very good argument.
Lastly my question was about a tire need for very specific condition which you'd be very hard pressed to find in a search, if it existed here at all. Moreover I apologized for the original misunderstanding, and consistently moved to keep things going back to the specified question. Which was NOT about rubbing, it was about the relative value and cost of increasing tire size vs. the effective amount of tread over a specific type of mud & sand.
The success and importance of sites like this are because people seek and share information. No one is forced to participate, and there are several subjects that get talked about constantly. Like sliders which I have no interest in and find very redundant too. Moreover a huge percentage of people on this site don't buy sliders. However EVERY person here will eventually buy tires.
It's all about what your interested in, and since I have no interest in sliders I simply don't read those threads. I'll try not to follow limamike's example and claim slider threads "clutter up the forum" and call for the mods.
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limamike
New member
i'm sorry this thread doesn't meet your standards limamike, and i'm also sorry your internet carrier apparently forces you to read everything that you have no interest in.
Let me point out this thread isn't actually about 285's rubbing...or perhaps you missed the part where i wrote "yes i do wonder about rubbing, and wondered if that's a difficult or expensive item to fix? However let me be more specific on the real question" (emphasis added).
In addition we have the inconvenient fact that of 22 posts in this thread, only 5 even mention that subject. Of those ducmonsta asked if the question was about a rub with 285's. I replied that wasn't the question. Then limamike joined in at the very end to complain about "the 285 rubbing question."
which leaves us with a grand total of two posts daring to address the verboten subject :wtf:
Since you're signature states "specialization is for insects" limamike, let me point out this thread has at least the following:
1. Two posts about rubbing
2. One post linking a 5th gen tire fitment thread
3. One post linking a very informative cooper at3 thread (thank you)
4. Two posts comparing different weight and size tires vs. Rolling resistance
5. Three joking / teasing posts
6. Two posts on fit for 285's in the spare location
7. Two posts on mud flap removal affecting side window view-ability
8. One post with detailed specs for a tire a member was interested in
9. Multiple posts about airing down vs. Larger size tires
10. Multiple posts about the opposing purpose of tires for mud vs. Sand
11. Multiple posts with details on tires / cost / tread that fit the 5th gen as is
that's not a specialized thread, nor one any reasonable person could think was based on the thing we dare not mention. I would add lima, there are 15 likes. So people either really want to talk about the subject of rubbing.....or you have a cause celebre that landed in the wrong place.
tl;dr
harper7
Senior Member
Me niether.....
Another cool story though since we are off the topic of will 285's fit.
When I was young I would stay up past my bedtime like the sly little ****er I was. But living off fruit roll-ups and cherry coke had it's downside. After an hour or two of staying up I had to pee.
I feared if I used the toilet I would awake my mother, who would punish me. So Had to devise a plan. I looked around my room for something to piss in. Lightsaber? Robobot? Or my Steve Irwin survival kit, complete with a plastic knife and a canteen.
So for the next month or so I peed in the canteen and emptied it in the morning. Until one night after peeing in the canteen the cat snuck in my room and started clawing at my bed sheet. I knew trying to get it off would result in blood, so I opened the canteen and splashed at it. My cat got soaked in my urine, and ran away. I cleaned the urine with a rag and dried off the cat. A couple days later the cat got sick and died. It was old so it may just have been it's time, but still creepy. Anyway, I stopped staying up after that.
limamike
New member
Holy crap that was hilarious!
1engineer
Moderator
So I was four wheelin' at the mall today, really challenging too with snow piles not to mention Christmas shoppers in their CUV pretendermobiles when I accidentally scrubbed a tire on the curb. No problem though as I put it in 4LO and engaged my rear locker and pulled right away from that evil curb. If thats not enough excitement I think my VSC might have kicked in a little too! Do you guys think it will hurt my 4WD if I turn into a parking space?
censortrolliat
jrandom
New member
LOL You could copy/paste that into 4 more different posts today...
Antman
Elite Member
Thanks for making me spit out a perfectly good mouth-full of coffee!
I got a pee story for ya...
One time ,while living at home still, I came home 16 and drunk. My parents where pretty strict so I was elated when (I assumed) they were in bed. After a few hours I had to have an epic piss and knew I would get busted if I stumbled into the bathroom.
In my mentally challenged state I decided to pee out of my upstairs bedroom window. Well, my Dad was working late in the shed which was below the window, mind you- and came outside to figure out why the hell it was raining.....
He kicked the shit outta me.:laugh:
Canazes9
New member
Say that reminds me!
So the last time I went wheelin in Sicily Island, I was with a big group of Toyota guys. One of them was driving a really sweet looking little 3rd Gen w/ a lift and 285's (I'm not sure if he rubbed or what he did to correct it). Anyway, we were riding this hilly, rocky trail that had muddy spots through out. Not enough mud to get stuck in, but enough to keep your tires slippery when you had to climb the rocks.
One particular short steep off camber climb had a tree just outside of the low side rut. It was scary (because you thought you were going to slide into the tree, but we were all doing fine. I drove my Tacoma up it w/ my 265's aired down to 15 psi and barely spun, no big deal.
The sweet 3rd gen was behind me, but he couldn't make it up the hill. Every time he started to climb, his wheels would spin and he would started sliding laterally into the tree (due to the off camber trail). He made 4 or 5 tries and nearly crunched his fender several times. I finally stopped him and asked if he had his tires aired down (they didn't look it) - he said no, he didn't have a pump.
I told him he could use my pump and put my Staun deflators on his tires. A few minutes later he tried the hill again. This time he didn't even spin his tires and it looked pretty easy for him. He stayed aired down the rest of the trip and we had a good time. I spent about 10 minutes airing him up before he went home, he said thanks and left.
The end.
David
So the last time I went wheelin in Sicily Island, I was with a big group of Toyota guys. One of them was driving a really sweet looking little 3rd Gen w/ a lift and 285's (I'm not sure if he rubbed or what he did to correct it). Anyway, we were riding this hilly, rocky trail that had muddy spots through out. Not enough mud to get stuck in, but enough to keep your tires slippery when you had to climb the rocks.
One particular short steep off camber climb had a tree just outside of the low side rut. It was scary (because you thought you were going to slide into the tree, but we were all doing fine. I drove my Tacoma up it w/ my 265's aired down to 15 psi and barely spun, no big deal.
The sweet 3rd gen was behind me, but he couldn't make it up the hill. Every time he started to climb, his wheels would spin and he would started sliding laterally into the tree (due to the off camber trail). He made 4 or 5 tries and nearly crunched his fender several times. I finally stopped him and asked if he had his tires aired down (they didn't look it) - he said no, he didn't have a pump.
I told him he could use my pump and put my Staun deflators on his tires. A few minutes later he tried the hill again. This time he didn't even spin his tires and it looked pretty easy for him. He stayed aired down the rest of the trip and we had a good time. I spent about 10 minutes airing him up before he went home, he said thanks and left.
The end.
David
