I love you guys, but I...

[Jhalko]

2018 will be a good trip.

Montana first for 2 weeks then husband flies home then WY, CO, and UT with my daughter. Plan on river floats, camping, hiking, then doing 100s in the Hills in Silverton in late July. I think I will rent a house in Paonia to use as base camp. I would love to hang with you. And I will be in Colorado for a long time so it shouldn't be hard to find a time when you can swing over the great divide. No Iceland in 2018?

Int'l trips only every five years or more for us.... plus we don't usually plan past the current year! Things have settled down quite a bit for me, this year will be Overland expo west solo, a week in CO mtns, then a late summer road trip to Jackson hole of some sort w/ family.

Hoping to have my weekends back from work this year as well for more camping flexibility. Need to catch up on a few truck projects as well! That new fridge mount and box isn't going to build itself.

 

[wanderMT]

Where in MT do you vacation? I'm near Billings.


In old post you mention MT landowners have land hog tied and CO better. Not trying to argue but simply wondering 'how so'? I know Montanans have very strong private property views and hence laws but I thought the public has been successful in maintaining good stream access laws also. We fight for recreation access continually. I know landowners have lost many court cases in favor of public access. State owns the riverbeds up to high water mark and public welcome but also State doesn't own a lot of access points. So, just asking for my education, what does CO do better?

 

[CatskillsRunner]

Where in MT do you vacation? I'm near Billings.


In old post you mention MT landowners have land hog tied and CO better. Not trying to argue but simply wondering 'how so'? I know Montanans have very strong private property views and hence laws but I thought the public has been successful in maintaining good stream access laws also. We fight for recreation access continually. I know landowners have lost many court cases in favor of public access. State owns the riverbeds up to high water mark and public welcome but also State doesn't own a lot of access points. So, just asking for my education, what does CO do better?

Our idea of fun is floating rivers for a few days at a time. Float to one spot, camp, float some more, camp, then finally take out. The longer the trip the happier we are. That proved to be possible, certainly, in MT, but there are weird laws regarding private property. For instance, on the Missouri, where the access points occur every few miles (replete with concrete ramps!), you can camp at many fishing access sites. That's great, but not the wilderness experience we sought. You can also camp on the beaches beneath the high water mark, but you have to be very careful to avoid private property, and you are not allowed to be in sight of a house. I thought that was a weird one. And since there were a lot of houses on the sections we floated around Craig, we knew that we'd only be able to do day floats.

On other rivers, there are fences that cross them, making them hazardous enough in a 16 foot inflatable that I took them off the list.

This is certainly not true for the whole state, tho. There were sections that we floated in NW Montana which had great access AND camping. North Fork Flathead, and the Upper Missouri River Breaks in north central MT to name two.

By contrast, in a state like CO or UT, the land is largely controlled but the BLM, and not just the access points. It can actually be strange to see private property indicated on a map or by signs at the water's edge. And camping is permissible pretty much anywhere. This is for true for almost the entire length of the Colorado in CO and in UT and the Green in UT. It's a river runner's dream.

But it is a fine state and worth it! We long to go back.

 

[WRM1]

I put a ton of miles on it since last year and it never lets me down. And it's fast, and powerful. And it looks good. My husband just brought home a horse trailer the LC is capable of towing with ease. I think if you use your vehicle as a tow vehicle/camping rig/grocery getter/kid hauler, the 100 is a nice choice. But yes, you have to be ok with some miles. Some of the 100 forum guys are reporting 300, even 500k miles. They are badass trucks and they last a long time, just like the 4Rs do.

Locals I knew in Qatar put 200,000+ miles on their Land Cruisers in 4 or 5 years, driving in harsh conditions and going to the desert every weekend for half the year, which involves driving over dunes, up the slip face of dunes(had to see that to believe it could be done), etc. They drive a lot, given the country is the size of Connecticut, although they also drive to Dubai and Saudi. It helps that gas was cheap, 80 cents a gallon when I lived there 2008-2010, not sure what it is now.

LC's in Qatar have more options than here, with manual transmissions, lockers, etc available. Some days, it seemed like half the vehicles on the street were Land Cruisers.

 

[CatskillsRunner]

Yes, and some of the ones overseas have part-time 4wd as opposed to what have in all the 100s here.

The 70 series they sell in Australia comes with a stock snorkel. Toyota generalizes and sells us what they think we want.

 

[marshal]

Yes, and some of the ones overseas have part-time 4wd as opposed to what have in all the 100s here.

The 70 series they sell in Australia comes with a stock snorkel. Toyota generalizes and sells us what they think we want.

You don’t call, you don’t write.

 

[chaosrob]

I went a little older with a Spanish Imported BJ73 Diesel. I promptly turbocharged and intercooled it. It has been a great vehicle

 

[Argyle Edison]

I went a little older with a Spanish Imported BJ73 Diesel. I promptly turbocharged and intercooled it. It has been a great vehicle

Bad Ass :rockon:

 

[probos]

I went a little older with a Spanish Imported BJ73 Diesel. I promptly turbocharged and intercooled it. It has been a great vehicle

I would trade my TuRD Pro for that with a quickness -- love it.