Just Rode in a Wrangler Unlimited again...

The fact they are going to release an Ecosiesel options has my ears perked, I doubt I'll bite but still it's luring. If I starting off fresh and car hunting, you bet I'd try and convince the wife the Ecodisel JK is worth a look.
 
Butt ugly, no real rear doors, terrible visibility, and it was butt ugly.
We looked at them when we were buying our JKU but the rear door thing in itself was a deal breaker.

I had one. They look fine once you lift them and remove or replace the ass ugly roof rack.

The visibility was like a panel truck, if you use your mirrors you'd be fine--except the gun turret rear window.

The reason I don't still have mine was the T/O bearing goat rodeo. I blew up two in less than a year.
 




missing this beast. it was a 6 speed 07 sahara that i probably put $6000 into it. beast on the trails. it had 93,000 miles on it before i traded it in for my 2016 sr5.


Never could understand jeep engineering where the first thing that hits between the tires is the steering. Hi steer solved that for the gen 1. Haven't seen jeepers do it very often.
 
My buddy had a 12 and we went light wheeling when I had my FJ...... His some how ingested water and blew the engine.....my FJ had absolutely no issues....rented one in Hawaii and it was fine but rather gutless.

My gf is looking at them currently and I don't dislike them at all but the reliability does worry me long term.
 
I have about 10k invested in my 12 Rubi and with 35's it will go anywhere easily. A well built JK will outperform just about anything in the rocks but I love the handling and comfort of my 15 4R. Of course as soon as the temperature hits 60+ degree the top and the doors come of the jeep and I will be driving it more.
 
I've thought about this before. Toyota could make a better Wrangler than Jeep (Chrysler) does. They should make something like the old FJ40 but modernized....

Well remember that's what the FJ Cruiser was supposed to be. In theory.

My ex had one and while I thought it was okay, the rearward vision was beyond horrible. I absolutely hated backing that thing up because there could be a barn behind you and you couldn't see it.

I am one of the lucky ones who has actually driven a real FJ40. We used to have one when I did grounds keeping as a kid. Three on the tree, super torquey inline 6. I really liked it. Until....

I was told we had to haul a 15 ft trailer loaded with crap to the dump. I was like "Are you sure that's a good idea?" and my pot smoking boss who looked exactly like Tommy Chong said "Sure dude. No Problem".

Yeah, no problem until you got over 25 mph and that trailer started to drive the FJ40 and go all cattywompie all over the road.

Scared the hell out of me, but I still to this day love FJ40's. And man have they held their value. I saw a nice ground up on Barrett-Jackson a few months ago and it sold for like $50K or something (can't remember exact amount).
 
I agree even without the major issues like visibility, looks, tire rubbing, body disintegration, diffs....It never seemed well thought out, kind of like the Isuzu Amigo, interesting but poor execution. 4 Runner has the doggy acceleration but few other problems that the FJ had. I say if you are going to make something smaller to compete with the Jeep....go slow...get enthusiast input.....test, test, and re-test......and go solid axle. Do it right.
 
I am one of the lucky ones who has actually driven a real FJ40. We used to have one when I did grounds keeping as a kid. Three on the tree, super torquey inline 6. I really liked it.
In the 90's my brother had an old 70's model J40 with a removable hard top. At the time I was into sports cars (an '82 Camaro), but I drove his 'Cruiser when hunting. Not very fast on the highway (definitely no sports car), but off road it was a tank. I forget the tire size but they were massive even without a lift. Take the top and doors off, lock the hubs, and go anywhere we wanted to. Plow through swamp water so deep we'd have to pick our feet up because it was washing over the floor boards (washing out the beer cans). It's how I first learned that a real 4x4 really could go up, down, and sideways on a 45° slope with the top off (yes, I was a civil engineering student and I measured it).

He still regrets selling it :crybaby:

And yes, they've held their value. If you want to buy one in good condition now it will cost you several times what they cost new.

The recent FJ Cruiser was a joke compared to the old J40's or FJ40's.
 
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Good read.

I should note that when Toyota announced the FJ Cruiser (which is sickeningly close to "PT Cruiser" - which is a major Chrysler piece of shit) production run was ending, they said "It was designed as a limited production run vehicle from the onset".

I call bullshit on that. It was a dog on the sales lot and Toyota just wants to put that one behind them. My .02.

However.... They had a surplus of unsold FJ Cruisers sitting on the dock in Cali when production ended and there were none too few dimwits here in Colorado that were scooping up the "classics" at sticker a year ago.
 
I miss my old jeep. Used to ride around with the half doors off, and the rear window open.

It only had a 4cyl, and stick but was a lot of fun. Had it for 3 years and no maintenance issues.
 
I had 07 FJCruiser and I still miss it, 176k miles without any major problems, rear view camera fixes rear view issues, decent stock Off-Road capabilities , with factory rear diff, I had it on few cross-country trips, including one from WA to FL avoiding interstates, and I think FJCruiser is a great vehicle, yes it is not so comfortable as my present 5th gen t4r, but I still affraid to take my t4r to the places I have being on FJC before I get some mods bone to it
 
But you know what, I owned a black/black '95 4.0 Wrangler back in the day and for all it's coarseness, for all it's rough edges, I still smile when I think about cruising around in summer with the top off (or bikini top on if rain threatened).

Seriously, it was a hoot. It did so many things not right, but a few things really, really right.


That's how I felt about my 1st gen, taking that top off for the summer was like spring break for three months.:plane:It never got old, and to make it even better that old 22re felt like a race engine without that top on anymore. I truly regret selling that beast.:sadwave:

I would like to see jeep get back into the pickup market like those old forgot what they were called CJ-8/ scrambler??
 
At the time I was into sports cars (an '82 Camaro), but I drove his 'Cruiser when hunting. Not very fast on the highway (definitely no sports car), but off road it was a tank.
I feel like the first half of this quote causes the later judgment to be invalid....
 
I feel like the first half of this quote causes the later judgment to be invalid....
Oh the surface I see your point, but it's off the mark.

Yes, I choose a fast highway vehicle for my personal vehicle (bought it with a blown motor which my dad and I replaced). But I grew up in the sticks near a swamp, and most of my family still lives there. I really enjoyed hunting and my Camaro couldn't handle the hunting roads. :noidea:

I've driven more off-road vehicles than I can count. From horses to bicycles to dirt bikes to 3-wheelers (balloon tires instead of shocks!) to 4-wheelers to side-by-sides to tractors to bulldozers to backhoes to pickups to SUVs to Jeeps (even an old restored Willys jeep once) to a customized lake-bottom mud-bogger.

I haven't been too much into modifications (many of the above were owned by others), and I've only recently (this year... still learning) gotten into researching mods for my 4Runner. It's all about the money right now.

Of course the mud-bogger (old Chevy pickup) could handle mud better, the ATVs and motorcycles could handle narrow trails and jumps better, and it was a very long way from a comfortable ride. I now know that a heavily modded Wranger could run circles around it in heavy rocks. But in stock condition, the J40 was hands-down the best all-around general purpose off-road vehicle I've ever had the pleasure of driving, and I drove it a lot. Except maybe the old WWII Willys Jeep, but I only drove that once so I can't really judge.

If I had the cash and wanted to buy a dedicated, simple, dead-reliable, and all-but-unstoppable highway-rated off-road vehicle, I'd pick an old J40 or FJ40 LandCruiser every time.
 
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The FJ Cruiser is not dead as most of us would think. They are just not sold here in the USA.
You can get a 2016 down under.

http://www3.toyota.com.au/fj-cruiser

CAFE requirements was the official party line being touted here for why it was no longer being sold state side.
 
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