Magnuson Supercharger for 2010-Present & 2010-2014 FJ

[delloro]

If you read my post it elaborates. It's simple and covered under said Act.

Your post didn't elaborate on anything. It just dropped the "Magnuson-Moss" name like a magic word. Please do explain, with citation to the Act and supporting law, how "it is covered under said Act."

But they cannot deny your warranty if the part that broke, broke due to integrity of the product under normal conditions.

But who is going to pay to prove that? Not Toyota, not Magnuson. And how will you prove a blower is "normal conditions" when it is not a factory option and they are not common? Judge don't care what you think.

 

[THESS]

Like hell they will. My 4runner had a squeak from about 5,000 miles. Somewhere in the front end. I later installed a 2" spacer lift up front.

When I went in for an oil change, I asked the dealer to look for the squeak. They told me that because I had modified the suspension, and scraped a lower control arm and dented my gas tank skid, that they would not diagnose it under warranty. I would have to pay then their time, which would be refunded if they thought it was Toyota's fault, if they found anything.

I told them to pound sand, went home, and in 5 minutes figured out it was the hood.

If a rod goes out after an SC install, Magnuson and Toyota will point their fingers at each other. Nobody is stepping up for that new engine bill.

It will be up to you, the owner, to prove who was at fault. Expert testimony is EXPENSIVE.



I am not sure you are familiar with The Act. The one and only place "Magnuson-Moss" means anything is in court. By the time you get to court, you have already lost. Can't get there for less than $50,000. Not including the expert working up its case. Toyota will have an expert, and did will the SC mfr.

Even if you keep it in small claims court, which judge will accept that putting a blower on a motor didn't cause a rod failure? Toyota will point to their reliability record and that's it.

"Magnuson-Moss" will not help here.

Take it how you want it. I'm relaying the information and Magnuson is being honest and many dealer reps have confirmed it. Still hesitant? Wait for all the info to come out in Dec. sounds to me that your dealership doesn't care much. I have had different experiences. And I'm sure Magnuson has had many more than any in this thread. Your choice to believe it or not. I'm sure those who actually purchase it will feel comfortable when they purchase.

 

[THESS]

Feel free to call Magnuson when it's released. Can't please everyone here. I'm sure they will go more in depth then I can because THeY are the experts in the field. Have a great night everyone.

 

[wfo9]

One quick comment.... Every dealer service department is different. They have very little to do with Toyota corporate.. except that they send them the bill for warranty work.

If you are worried about warranty.. I think you should definitely find a dealer that will install the kit and is familiar with them. Some dealers are very aftermarket friendly others are the total opposite. You never know what you are getting with a dealer and I have learned this time and time again over the years. No two stories are the same.. even when the problem and vehicle are identical. You will find everything from complete clowns, to extremely brilliant and helpful people. I generally don't trust them to do anything, but there are good techs out there....you just have to find them and don't expect it to be consistent.

Another thing I don't think some posting here with all the attitude realize. The warranty from Magnuson is not just a warranty on the blower. It is a full power-train warranty. It comes with 3yr/36 and optional 5yr/60. But this only works on top of a factory warranty.

Please read this PDF that explains the legal conditions of it.
http://www.magnusonsuperchargers.co...TED POWERTRAIN WARRANTY STANDARD 20170605.pdf

Again, if it is not for you.. just scoot on down and enjoy what you got.. If you have legitimate questions... be open minded or don't bother asking.

These kits are designed with OEM reliability in mind by people who know what they are doing. It's not just some random set of parts to make big power.. In fact, the power is not that big and the design is simply to give you OEM like v8 performance only when you need it. It's designed and tested... not thrown together like a random tuner shop would. (and no.. I'm not talking about or pointing at URD)

I would still wait to see the results for yourself, but I'm still a bit surprised by all the preemptive negativity. Let's at least see what happens vs hoping for gloom and doom.

 

[SATSTRAIL]

Like hell they will. My 4runner had a squeak from about 5,000 miles. Somewhere in the front end. I later installed a 2" spacer lift up front.

When I went in for an oil change, I asked the dealer to look for the squeak. They told me that because I had modified the suspension, and scraped a lower control arm and dented my gas tank skid, that they would not diagnose it under warranty. I would have to pay then their time, which would be refunded if they thought it was Toyota's fault, if they found anything.

I told them to pound sand, went home, and in 5 minutes figured out it was the hood.

If a rod goes out after an SC install, Magnuson and Toyota will point their fingers at each other. Nobody is stepping up for that new engine bill.

It will be up to you, the owner, to prove who was at fault. Expert testimony is EXPENSIVE.



I am not sure you are familiar with The Act. The one and only place "Magnuson-Moss" means anything is in court. By the time you get to court, you have already lost. Can't get there for less than $50,000. Not including the expert working up its case. Toyota will have an expert, as will the SC mfr.

Even if you keep it in small claims court, which judge will accept that putting a blower on a motor didn't cause a rod failure? Toyota will point to their reliability record and that's it.

"Magnuson-Moss" will not help here.

I work at a dealer and sadly I agree with this....

 

[SATSTRAIL]

One quick comment.... Every dealer service department is different. They have very little to do with Toyota corporate.. except that they send them the bill for warranty work.

If you are worried about warranty.. I think you should definitely find a dealer that will install the kit and is familiar with them. Some dealers are very aftermarket friendly others are the total opposite. You never know what you are getting with a dealer and I have learned this time and time again over the years. No two stories are the same.. even when the problem and vehicle are identical. You will find everything from complete clowns, to extremely brilliant and helpful people. I generally don't trust them to do anything, but there are good techs out there....you just have to find them and don't expect it to be consistent.

This is truth...

 

[EddieV4runnin]

Supercharger is not for everybody, it you're the type that's worried about gas mileage and factory warranty a supercharger might not be for you.

You're are correct. When my warranty expires I'll throw in the supercharger. If something goes wrong it's on me. Besides I've yet to hear of any of these things having some kind of catastrophic failure, on any platform from all of the research I've done.

 

[wfo9]

Something Magnuson posted. LOL

 

[Jetboy]

Assuming the same dyno - if the Tundra is 381 crank and 300RWHP, that translates to 425hp. If that's reliable with the stock internals - I'm impressed.

 

[AudiTech]

Since lots of warranty speculation is popping up again...

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...ou-td1-recalls-updates-magnuson-moss-etc.html

 

[THESS]

Since lots of warranty speculation is popping up again...

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...ou-td1-recalls-updates-magnuson-moss-etc.html

Thanks for providing that link with very valuable info. At the end of the day, as some have stated, it really comes down to the dealer. People are also not factoring in the fact that Magnusons supercharger warranty goes beyond the unit.

 

[THESS]

Assuming the same dyno - if the Tundra is 381 crank and 300RWHP, that translates to 425hp. If that's reliable with the stock internals - I'm impressed.

roughly 15-20% loss is what's seen when calculating whp. Also the tires size can increase the loss % as I'm sure most of your know.

 

[SiickMotorsports]

Crashing the 4runner forum, we also got picked for the pilot program. And no we are not from huntington beach toyota lol or IG superstars haha. Just a bussines owner and my shop truck is a 2014 Ultimate Edition FJ. I think the firts TTUE fj that will be supercharged. We will be handling the install. *side note we are not running the rear cats on the fj, so only 2 out of the 4. Dan at Magnuson was curious to know how it will differ from their 4runner.

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[Brandonium]

Some of you posting in here know this is a thread about Superchargers. I find it surprising that you would be so gullible as to then comment and argue about warranty concerns. Did you somehow misread the title into thinking it said 'OEM supercharger available with full Toyota powertrain warranty'? Didn't think so... Are you also as worried about insurance claims if you rollover doing stupid shit in places we all know insurance is unlikely to cover any mistakes you make? Seriously people.

As stated before we all know the risks of aftermarket (insert component) on any vehicle. This happens to be relevant to engine that's all. If you expect to show up to a dealer with one of these bolted on never having done anything at this particular dealer with 200 pounds of mud caked on everything and clear signs that you beat the shit out of your rig then...perhaps you might not get that engine warranty you hold so dear if you show up with a thrown rod, etc.

It all boils down to your dealer and how you have treated both them and your own vehicle.

I've seen this many times as I lived the dealer life in my youth. You walk in there as some random pissed off ******* that they've never ever seen in service for anything other than some other 'give it to me free' issue they are going to open that hood have a peek and automatically switch to 'charge this dude'.

That being said.. I'll be doing one of these once I have finished my other planned mods and it also fits the budget. Probably once I have made my last payment.

 

[Trixx]

Some of you posting in here know this is a thread about Superchargers. I find it surprising that you would be so gullible as to then comment and argue about warranty concerns. Did you somehow misread the title into thinking it said 'OEM supercharger available with full Toyota powertrain warranty'? Didn't think so... Are you also as worried about insurance claims if you rollover doing stupid shit in places we all know insurance is unlikely to cover any mistakes you make? Seriously people.

As stated before we all know the risks of aftermarket (insert component) on any vehicle. This happens to be relevant to engine that's all. If you expect to show up to a dealer with one of these bolted on never having done anything at this particular dealer with 200 pounds of mud caked on everything and clear signs that you beat the shit out of your rig then...perhaps you might not get that engine warranty you hold so dear if you show up with a thrown rod, etc.

It all boils down to your dealer and how you have treated both them and your own vehicle.

I've seen this many times as I lived the dealer life in my youth. You walk in there as some random pissed off ******* that they've never ever seen in service for anything other than some other 'give it to me free' issue they are going to open that hood have a peek and automatically switch to 'charge this dude'.

That being said.. I'll be doing one of these once I have finished my other planned mods and it also fits the budget. Probably once I have made my last payment.

My point in bringing it up is Magnuson stated it won’t void any powertrain warranty which I said was misleading.

Not everyone has a chance to develop a relationship with a dealer.

In the last several years my vehicles have spent:
8000 miles on a 2 month cross country vacation
4 months in South Carolina
3 months in Arizona
3 months in New Orleans
Year in Tx, Pa, AL

You get the drift. I’m never anywhere long enough that I can develop some relationship with a dealer. I’m there for maybe an oil change or two.

Like I said earlier - it doesn’t make a huge difference to me, but I found the comment to be misleading for those who do care a lot, and those making payments such as yourself that might be a bit more effected by making major repairs out of pocket in the event their powertrain was voided.

 

[Brandonium]

You just have to know what you are getting into. I've seen dealers decline warranty work based on both the person and how the vehicle is maintained. I know it's not as cut and dry as we'd all like but those relationships do help and not showing up with a vehicle that has hints of abuse pasted all over it. Keep in mind the term 'abuse' is subjective and ultimately decided upon by someone other than us.

I'd say if reliability and zero warranty concerns is of utmost importance than you'd be better off not doing this or at least waiting it out to see how a couple of years fare on the vehicles that are getting them now.

My point in bringing it up is Magnuson stated it won’t void any powertrain warranty which I said was misleading.

Not everyone has a chance to develop a relationship with a dealer.

In the last several years my vehicles have spent:
8000 miles on a 2 month cross country vacation
4 months in South Carolina
3 months in Arizona
3 months in New Orleans
Year in Tx, Pa, AL

You get the drift. I’m never anywhere long enough that I can develop some relationship with a dealer. I’m there for maybe an oil change or two.

Like I said earlier - it doesn’t make a huge difference to me, but I found the comment to be misleading for those who do care a lot, and those making payments such as yourself that might be a bit more effected by making major repairs out of pocket in the event their powertrain was voided.

 

[Jetboy]

roughly 15-20% loss is what's seen when calculating whp. Also the tires size can increase the loss % as I'm sure most of your know.

Why guess. We know that the Tundra makes 381hp and we know the rwhp that Magnusson claims as dyno number. The math is pretty easy on this one.

 

[THESS]

Why guess. We know that the Tundra makes 381hp and we know the rwhp that Magnusson claims as dyno number. The math is pretty easy on this one.

Its not guessing........depending on the dyno that is used it varies. Iv seen X dyno read 20hp over a Y dyno. I have also seen tuners mislead the actual numbers. Also comes down to the weather and altitude of where the vehicle is tuned. A lot factors into it.

 

[MNT4R]

Its not guessing........depending on the dyno that is used it varies. Iv seen X dyno read 20hp over a Y dyno. I have also seen tuners mislead the actual numbers. Also comes down to the weather and altitude of where the vehicle is tuned. A lot factors into it.

This is totally unrelated to the current topic but is absolutely related to the thread. I apologize if this is been asked already, but I was wondering for the final iteration of the supercharger that will be sold to the public, will Magnuson require the ECU be sent to them or will tuning be able to take place at the time of installation?


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[wfo9]

This is totally unrelated to the current topic but is absolutely related to the thread. I apologize if this is been asked already, but I was wondering for the final iteration of the supercharger that will be sold to the public, will Magnuson require the ECU be sent to them or will tuning be able to take place at the time of installation?


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You will not have to send in the ECU. A handheld tuner will be included in the kit. I have verified this with Magnuson.. I asked them if they needed feedback on the ECU removal procedure and they said NO. Also, the installation guide actually describes the handheld tuner procedure.