Manual transmission coming back to the 4Runner?

[BlackWorksInc]

There are good ways of doing a CVT. We apply them all the time to off highway mobile equipment. Unfortunately it would add about $25K to the vehicle price lol.

Fair enough, I haven't seen how you highway mobile equipment guys do it. I just know what the automotive industry has done.

 

[NoDak]

the auto in the Tacoma is actually more robust that the manual.

removable top like the 1st will never happen again due to roof rigidity test that the IIHS tests for. moms what the safety checkbox checked.

 

[Flahart]

the auto in the Tacoma is actually more robust that the manual.

removable top like the 1st will never happen again due to roof rigidity test that the IIHS tests for. moms what the safety checkbox checked.

Same transmission used in the T4R.

Toyota A transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[1engineer]

Fair enough, I haven't seen how you highway mobile equipment guys do it. I just know what the automotive industry has done.

All electro hydraulics with variable swashplate hydraulic motors and pumps.

 

[Swarty]

Boring but not necessarily unreliable

I don't trust CVTs, I dread the inevitable failures that will be associated with them as well as the "Valve-Matic" system which seems a bit too close to BMW's Valve-Tronic set-up.

We've already seen a couple issues with CVTs in the Corollas from the factory and Toyota wants to shove one in the new Camry, there's only so many ways to do a CVT and so far all the ways they have been done don't show a very good lifespan without problems.

CVT's are unfortunately boring so I don't know why I bother to defend it, but work is slow today.
It's a relatively new tech but I don't think short term failures are inevitable and have not been consistent across implementations. As far as simplicity they beat autos hands down, much fewer moving parts. I would prefer the DCT especially since I tow occasionally but comparing reliability on the Corolla's first gen CVT is still cherry picking. Why ignore the huge number of extremely reliable Prii? That CVT is tending to outlast the car. Nissan guarantees their newest implementation of CVT to 120k. The old were crap.
The FJ had a defective bell housing that ruined the throw out bearings in the 2007s. Honda had a class action suit over the TL's auto and very nearly again over the odyssey. There are terrible implementations of every transmission technology, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

CVT's are unfortunately boring so I don't know why I bother to defend it, but work is slow today.
It's a relatively new tech but I don't think short term failures are inevitable and have not been consistent across implementations. As far as simplicity they beat autos hands down, much fewer moving parts. I would prefer the DCT especially since I tow occasionally but comparing reliability on the Corolla's first gen CVT is still cherry picking. Why ignore the huge number of extremely reliable Prii? That CVT is tending to outlast the car. Nissan guarantees their newest implementation of CVT to 120k. The old were crap.
The FJ had a defective bell housing that ruined the throw out bearings in the 2007s. Honda had a class action suit over the TL's auto and very nearly again over the odyssey. There are terrible implementations of every transmission technology, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

The thing is that the Hybrid CVT is a combination of planetary gear sets like a traditional automatic combined with two motor generators for the first two generations. The third I believe may have an actual belt CVT, but again half that system is due to how they connected the motor generators and is different then most CVT systems. Personally hybrids are nice, but not as environmentally friendly as hyped, and problematic due to their design.