my boring clutch rebuild thread

Naturally, as fate would have it, now that I've had it out twice and definitely have it done properly this time, I can't get the mof$#@#$ thing back in. I've struggled for hours and days, up down left right, tip up, tip back, wiggle wobble, twist, turn. I've taken it all the way down and out and repositioned it on the tranny jack. I'm at my wits end, utterly exhausted and pissed off, considering hooking up the slave and wedging the clutch pedal down to see if that helps. I'm not sure there is even enough slack in the lines to do that. Its definitely not getting splined properly, I am nowhere near the pilot bearing yet. Fortunately I have to go to work now or I might hurt something.
 
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Put the trans in gear so you can rotate the output flange (and thus the input splines). That might help you get things going together.

There's also a good chance that just a break and a few breaths will give you a new perspective to get it done.

Good luck!

-Charlie
 
Yup, thanks for confirming, I had that idea too while I was at work, right about the time I realized it wouldn't help to to push the clutch unless its stuck on the pilot bearing. And it isn't there yet.
 
Got all the bolts in. Once again I had to lay on my back and push the bell housing while lifting/pushing the TC with my knee. I made sure it was on most of the way before tightening the side bolts this time. Will torque them all tomorrow and finally start finishing this neverending chore.
 
Got all the bolts in. Once again I had to lay on my back and push the bell housing while lifting/pushing the TC with my knee. I made sure it was on most of the way before tightening the side bolts this time. Will torque them all tomorrow and finally start finishing this neverending chore.
If you want to feel better, look up what it takes to get a Celica Alltrac/GT4 transmission on to a 3s-gte... It is a multi-step, multi-axis + rotation operation... And you can't use any of the tricks I mentioned in this thread - and you can't do it with the engine in the bay. Good times.

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The R154+transfer case is definitely heavier, but at least it is a straight-on shot.

-Charlie
 
If you want to feel better, look up what it takes to get a Celica Alltrac/GT4 transmission on to a 3s-gte... It is a multi-step, multi-axis + rotation operation... And you can't use any of the tricks I mentioned in this thread - and you can't do it with the engine in the bay. Good times.

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The R154+transfer case is definitely heavier, but at least it is a straight-on shot.

-Charlie


Haha, that's definitely a job for YOU and not for ME! I have beseeched the gods that I never have to do this again. But if I must, I would consider removing the TC
 
how can I still be getting oil dripping down from way up high, when the vehicle hasn't been started in 6 weeks? Did it pool up in some cranny somehow because it's on ramps? I know I have valve cover leaks, but I don't see how those could be leaking. I don't see how anything can be leaking. But something is leaking. lol
 
Pulled a full day in the garage today and the moment of truth is at hand! Everything but the front driveshaft is in (will explain that, and a lot more later), the starter works (yaaaaayyyy!) and the truck tried to move when I release the clutch. Still up on ramps because it got dark so I decided to test drive it tomorrow. But we are looking good and I hope this boring thread can finally die tomorrow.
 
Success! Or I'm going to call it that anyway. TBH I'm going to worry for a few weeks about worst-case scenarios, like the flywheel flying through the hood taking part of me with it lol. But I drove it a couple miles, used all the gears, no funny sounds no funny feelings. Seemed great. Success for now! Profuse thanks to everyone on this thread and elsewhere who helped me get through this ordeal! I will post some followup thoughts later that other people considering this project may or may not find helpful.
 
See I knew you could do it. I pulled 1 manual and 2 autos thus far. They are not super hard just need to take your time. :-) Pay attention and take photos of things so if it ends up being a few weeks or years. You can put it back together. Thats how I do things.
 
If you want to feel better, look up what it takes to get a Celica Alltrac/GT4 transmission on to a 3s-gte... It is a multi-step, multi-axis + rotation operation... And you can't use any of the tricks I mentioned in this thread - and you can't do it with the engine in the bay. Good times.

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The R154+transfer case is definitely heavier, but at least it is a straight-on shot.

-Charlie

A VW TDI manual is fun. As we had to rotate the transmission by 90 Degrees to get it out. They didn't give us a lot of room.. However, we did get it back in successfully.

That looks like a headache. Is that a drop the A frame out of the bottom of the car with everything still connected project? As that is how the Sienna 2GR-FE are if you want to fix the timing chain cover leak.. Its easier to just drop the all out the bottom fix it then put it back in. :-/
 
That looks like a headache. Is that a drop the A frame out of the bottom of the car with everything still connected project? As that is how the Sienna 2GR-FE are if you want to fix the timing chain cover leak.. Its easier to just drop the all out the bottom fix it then put it back in. :-/
Yeah, it all has to come out the bottom with the rear output in the way. The FWD variants can come out the top fairly easily. The transfer case tucks into a clearanced pocket in the back of the motor, so getting it all together is a pain.

I still sometimes think about doing a 2GR Alltrac Camry. I think the engine is a bit tall and exhaust routing would be a huge issue - but otherwise, 2GR to an e-series gearbox has been done (MR2s mostly) which means it is likely doable. I think a more modern project car is a better fit for me these days though.

-Charlie
 
Some random thoughts on my double-clutch experience, primarily for people like me who are not great mechanics, have the 3.4 4WD, do not have an awesome tool box, are doing it solo, may be hesitant about doing it at all, and are using the 2024 version of the Harbor Freight tranny jack, which has a v-shaped platform with a heavy ratchet strap attached.

Why did it take me so long, and will it take you that long? I was in no hurry. I had another vehicle to drive. But most importantly I know myself, I know I often make a lot of mistakes, often have to break several things to fix the first thing, and this job was too important to break things. I always give myself 10 times more time than it should take to fix something. Plus when I started I didn't have money for anything except the clutch kit, so there was no rush.

In the end, it worked. I only broke 2 things, 1 harness clip (the same one that was already broken in Timmy's video) and the backup light switch. More on that later.

And with that let me blame/thank Timmy, because if not for his videos I would not have attempted this.

-like he says, you need wobble extensions. You will hate yourself if you don't. I bought the set of 3 impact extensions at HF, but only used the short and medium, primarily on bell housing and driveshaft.

-stubby flex ratchets! stubbies and wobblers are my new best friends!!

-I suggest removing the backup light switch, it will get in the way of the HF strap and if you don't have eyes on both sides of the tranny it can easily get broken off. You don't need to drain it.

-The jack platform is v-shaped, but the only v-shaped part of the TM/TC is far forward or far back of the center of gravity. The sweet spot is near or at the junction of TM/TC, where there happens to be a flat spot on the bottom. I just placed a small piece of plywood across the platform and it sat nice and flat. You need to remove the cross-member mount to make use of that flat spot. I also found a small trolley jack useful under the TC.

-The HF jack is great, but the platform is the weakest part. Taking TM out with TC attached stretches the limits of the jack platform. Both times I took it out one of the track wheels under the platform popped out of its track because the weight pulled on the strap which pulled the platform wings apart slightly. It still worked but caused me some anxiety. Drilling a couple holes and placing a long bolt at either end might work to hold those wings together and prevent it from happening. Or you could remove the TC, but that seemed like a lot of hassle.

-the sway bar does not need to be removed

-as other have mentioned, lowering the tail end just a little makes it easier to get at the top bell housing bolts and wiring clips/connector.

-I used a loop of bungee around the TC to hold my long extensions in place while I finagled the other end onto the top bolts. Unless you have fat huge meat paws you should be able to reach up from the side and get to those bolt heads to get the socket on. I didn't say it would be easy though.

-I removed the top bolts the first time through the shifter hole, but there is no advantage to doing it that way and it might even be harder. The 2nd time I just used long extensions

-I got the starter out and back in completely from below. It was on ramps so going through the wheel well wasn't an option and it did not look any easier to me. The only thing required to do it from below is being able to hold a stomach crunch long enough to hold the starter in place while you start the lower bolt with your left hand. If you have RWD its probably easy-peasy from below.

-I clearly didn't have the TC up high enough each time I reinstalled, but it was at the maximum height of my trolley jack, with 3-4" of wood blocks on it. It looked plenty high, but wasn't. That's why I only got it in when I lifted it with my knee while pushing forward on the bell housing. Maybe someone has figured out a way to know when its at the proper height. You might measure it before you remove it so you know when it will be a nice straight shot into the crank shaft. Or see the next comment

-if I had used the suggestion given early in this thread about making alignment pins out of headless bolts, I think it would have saved me HOURS of trouble. The only reason I didn't is because I don't have good steel cutting/grinding tools. It is a great idea.

-I goofed by installing my rear driveshaft without making sure the front shaft flanges were aligned first, because I had moved the flanges when it was out so now the front wouldn't line up. Since it was on ramps with no parking brake I didn't want to risk jacking up the rear end and have it possibly roll, so I just haven't installed the front shaft yet.

-This video was a huge help for getting the TC shifter in. I just used the rubber washer that was in there, btw. I used new OEM for the tranny shifter seal/bushing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nTfcHxDK-8

Last but not least I used the Aisin CKT-040 clutch kit. The clutch disc is marked T/M for the tranny side. THIS IS WRONG FOR the 3.4l!!!! That side goes toward the flywheel on the 3.4, as I found out the hard way.

I won't lie, this was not a fun job. This is the kind of job I would gladly pay someone to do, if I had the money, but I didn't lol. But after doing it twice, I think I could probably do it in a few days if I had to do it again. I sorely hope that the oil leak I currently have is coming from the crank seal or oil pan and not my brand new rear main, because I'd rather not do it again!
 

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