My honest 2011 Toyota 4runner Review...

I have a 2011 TE, with just over 5,000 miles on it. Towed the 17' boat for the first time today. No sag, Towed just like my 2006 sport with v6. The engine ran Flawless. Was towing 65 on highway, avg mpg was between 15.7 to 16.2 Does the TE have different suspension than SR5??
 
Those are great pics and a good review with one caveat: Your vehicle is stock. I doubt if you can get ANY mainstream vehicle (Jeep, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Chevy, Dodge, Nissan) right off the showroom floor and expect it to do exactly what you expected. You have very specific qualifiers for your needs which you listed above which are:
1. SUV
2. 3RD Row
3. Off Road Capable
4. Tow Capable Off Road
5. Handle Heavy Cargo Loads, again off road.
6. Cargo area must be able to double as additional camp space.

I do not think a vehicle that is stock exists anywhere. Everyone that comes to mind that will meet some of your additional needs (Sequoia, Tahoe, Armada) will let you down in other ways.
Most, if not all people who plan to use a vehicle like yours (Jeep 4D JK, 4Runner, Nissan Xterra) will know that it needs modifications to specifically tackle the terrain and extra needs. For under $2K you could have:
1. Better tires
2. Small lift (5100 Bilstein) to prevent rear sag as much
3. Electrical mods (interior lighting and better HU and moved plug)
4. Odds and ends specific to your needs.

I have 4 in my family too. When you say you want to take them camping for 3 days then you will be adding over 1000 lbs of CARGO not including the camper unless you are a minimalist. Geez, 3 additional people (400 lbs and that is for regular kids and tiny wife), Food including water (250 lbs) Clothes (100 lbs) Camping gear (300 lbs) and toys like bikes will put you over 1000 lbs. Now add your trailer on top of that and you can expect your truck to not respond like it did empty. Your review is fair don't get me wrong but I think you could expect to do those mods I listed above to ANY vehicle in this class in order to satisfy your needs. I did a lot of camping with my family when they were young and every vehicle I had needed mods and no vehicle I had was ever perfect for these needs. I tried the Tahoe, 4D Pickups and even an AWD minivan. They all had drawbacks. Again, nice pics!

GX460 Premium does it all!

Koz
 
This is my third 4runner and I've also owned about 20 other cars and I'm only 33 years old, (I'm a car nut), many of them purchased new. (until I got married wife put an end to that). You are absolutely right with all of your observations. Couple things tho.

1. Stock tires are so bad, you almost have to replace them with something better. Significant difference with handling and marshmellowness. Wheels need 1-2" more offset also.

2. Stock springs are so soft, too soft for any tongue weight at all really. My 1200 pound Yamaha Rhino and single axle trailer (2000lbs) squat the rear 1.5". You have to do a lift with heavier duty springs and prob shocks too if you're going off road or towing. I'm currently researching combos trying to decide.

3. Interior lights are weird, no way around that one.

4. Look at the Yen vs. the US Dollar. $33,000 in 2011 is around $23,000 in 2004 in yen vs. dollar purchasing power. To keep the price point about the same and still be built in Japan at one of the best factories on the planet, Toyota had to strip some things from the platform and cut some corners. It's just economics. Adjust the current price and it's a bargain compared to years past. If the base 4th gen in 2004 was $29k it would be about $38k in today's dollars with the exchange rate the way it is.

5. Reliability and resale. Awesome. You will be stoked some day when you sell your 4R how much value it retained and how reliable it has been, I promise. Especially if you've ever bought a new American car...!

6. Engine responsiveness gets better with age. I swear when mine was new (under 1k miles) it felt like I had to floor it all the time too. It "loosens up" with time and gets more responsive, I don't know the tech behind it, but it does, have patience.

7. Upgrade the front dash speakers to the 3.5 Infinity speakers all the guys on here are doing. They are like $60 shipped on amazon and sound great, easy to install. Then always use party mode. It sounds dang nice.

8. Front wheel caster angle is not set right from the factory. 5th gen's are hard to keep in the lane and drive twitchy on the freeway. Tires helped. KDSS or XREAS helps but I don't have it on my SR5. I'm hoping stiffer springs and better shocks help too, we'll see. After the lift I'm going to take it to an alignment place where they know what they're doing and have them set max positive caster, I think it's 4 degrees or something. That's another reason I want to lift the front 2.5" max, so there's enough adjustment left to set the max caster without having to buy aftermarket upper control arms. I'm trying to get springs to lift 2.5/1.5". Thinking OME 889 with SAW rear coils. Or maybe OW 2.0 coil-overs and rear SAW springs...?

I'll admit Toyota screwed up on a few things with the 5th gen. And it sucks you have to go out and spend money to make it right - how it shouldv'e come from the factory. I'm a little pissed to be honest still. But I studied this forum and knew what I was getting into before hand. A few mods and you'll have a 250K mile vehicle that will retain tons of value and is super safe and reliable and will become like an old friend.

My 2 cents.
Are any of the other models, like Sequoia or LandCruiser any better re the items you discuss?

Also, one thing I do like is the locking transfer case. I can't find this anywhere on US made products. Why? Is this good or not? A friend in a Montero 4x4 got stuck b/c his would not lock up. The best I can find here is locking differential...

Does anybody have a 4Runner under Lexus label w/V8 engine?

I hate drum brakes, but one thing we love on our '95 4Runner is rear anti-lock brakes. How they did that w/drum brakes...?
 

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I have had my ups and downs with this car since we purchased it. I know that I will get a ton of grief for posting this review on a 4runner lover forum to those that don’t take criticism to the vehicle very well. But….

My motivation is that those that are looking at this vehicle get an honest review of 2011 Toyota 4runner SR5 from the perspective of one that uses a vehicle to haul a family of 4 off the beaten path while towing an offroad camper.

After hauling my off-road camper with a family of 4 through the forest roads on the Arizona Strip of the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, I give it a 7.5 out of ten.

Pros:
-Wife likes it.
-Decent SUV, moderate offroad family car.
-3rd row
-controls are located in comfortable locations.

Cons:
-Engine is not very responsive. I find myself practically flooring the vehicle to get it to get up and go. Prior vehicle was a Nissan Frontier and that engine was much more responsive but equally as poor on its towing capabilities.

-Towing is horrid on this vehicle. First the rear sag is absolutely terrible. We are only towing a Fleetwood Cobalt camper. Its tiny and should be easily handled by this vehicle. A 3 day camping trip and the rear bumper was practically dragging. The tow harness plug is in the worst possible place to be on a vehicle. Especially on a so-called off-road vehicle. Its practically under the spare tire. Ours ripped off on a forest road. Not technical at all.

-Interior lighting is terrible if you have children. No driver controlled dome light. No 3rd row dome light. Terrible rear cargo lighting. Especially if you are using this vehicle to camp.

-Stock radio on SR5 is garbage.

Overall it’s a decent vehicle for SUV, Family Fun and moderate offroad use. This is not the vehicle that you want to have to get you up and down mountain roads or offroad camping loaded with the family. Its just not rugged enough from the engine to the shocks to handle certain activities required by those that want to get away from it all with an offroad camper..and for a 5th generation vehicle you would think that most of the little things like lighting, sag and towing would have been taken care of by the engineers.

JJMAC,
I tow a small bit and I found installing rear airbags (Airlift or Firestone) eliminates the sag on mine, filled to 60% or 20psi, with 400lbs on the tongue and 300lbs in the rear cargo area. Plus, the ride remains compliant when you air it out when not towing or being loaded. Lifting the vehicle will still not solve your sag issue unless you get HD springs for the rear but then causes the rear to ride like a HD pickup. As for the interior lighting try replacing them with 5K LEDs from like v-leds.com or similar. It's true lighting is poor in the foot well areas. As for the power, a V8 option would have been nice but with all the +40mpg avg requirement that may never happen. Try towing it in 4th gear, in some of the towing discussions it keeps your tranny cooler, gets better mpg, prevents gear hunting and is more responsive.
 
Coleman E3 Trailer

I have a 2010 4Runner Trail and just bought a Coleman E3 with an unloaded weight of around 3000 lbs. I'm thinking that if the Cobalt is causing sagging, then the E3 is really going to do it. I'm looking at airbags and Old Man Emu heavies for the rear. Trying to figure out the best solution, but it sounds like it might be airbags.
 

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