Need help selecting new tires

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swimmerdude1127

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I also posted a short version of this in the engine/suspension/tires/etc forum, but since I have a 5th gen (2013 SR5) I figure I'll post here as well:

Based on the recommendation of several guys and the threads here, one of the easiest and most useful upgrades seems to be tires.

So here's my question: I'm leaning toward a slightly bigger tire, and plan on doing a 3" suspension lift down the road but not right now. Would 285/70/17's work? I have a stock '13 SR5. Anyone know the biggest size I could use without getting into rubbing issues? I'm not going to be doing any rock crawling or anything soon so articulation probably won't get maxed out.

Also, the tire I was leaning toward was the Cooper Discoverer ATP (285/70/17) or Nitto Terra Grapplers. Anyone have any input on this?

Thanks so much in advance for all your guys' knowledge.
 
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I've been running the ATP's for a while now and have been very happy with them. Details and pics of how they look on the truck are in my build thread. I'm running them at stock size though. Now that I have my list installed I'll upsize them once the current ones wear out.

Okki
 
Thanks Okki. I've been reviewing your build thread and it's just awesome.

How are the ATPs on road as far as noise and performance goes?
How does the E load rating ride? I too am thinking of the E's.

Since you seem WAAYYYY more knowledgeable about this than I do, would you think rubbing would be an issue I'd have to deal with if I got the 285/70/17?
 
swimmerdude1127 said:
Thanks Okki. I've been reviewing your build thread and it's just awesome.

How are the ATPs on road as far as noise and performance goes?
How does the E load rating ride? I too am thinking of the E's.

Since you seem WAAYYYY more knowledgeable about this than I do, would you think rubbing would be an issue I'd have to deal with if I got the 285/70/17?
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I don't find the ATP's to be any more noisy than the OEM tires. Obviously road surface quality has a lot to do with that as well, but they have not been a concern for me or the wife on any of the road trips.

I like the E rating. i wanted a tire that I would drive around Wyoming with if needed (we have family there) without having a flat on every ranch road. The E is a good compromise in that considering I drive mainly city roads in Indy.

With 285's you'll want to do the fender lining mod (I have not done that on mine yet) but I believe that's all you need. depending on your suspension setup, wheel choice, spacers, etc, a body mount chop will be needed. When I had Ducmonsta install my Icon Stage 6, I asked him to perform the body-mount chop at the same time.

Hope that helps...

Okki
 
With my Toytec lift, -12 offset wheels and 285/70/17s I had rubbing so bmc is happening as I type (or is on the list of things happening) so with stock height, I am pretty sure you would need at least the fender mod... I am also pushed to +6 of Castor and running TC UCA. Still had some minor rubbing in back at full lock in reverse. Wasn't too horrid, but I don't want any and especially at compression and lock... My tires are slightly larger though than the ATPs as they are BFG Mud Terrains (I believe 0.25" bigger or so- true 33s).
 
Bimrunner, not gonna lie, some of that was almost code to me haha. I definitely appreciate the knowledge base you guys have here.

My setup is all stock. No lift. Do you happen to have a link to a DIY fender lining mod and body mount chop?

I decided on new wheels I want to get at the same time-- Black Rhino Imperials is what I'm thinking. I'm sticking with stock size, 17x9 for those. No spacers or anything else.

I just returned from Discount Tire and they quoted me at 1625 with the new wheels and Cooper ATP 285/70/17 tires WITH trade-in value for my OEM wheels and tires included. Good deal?
 
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Sounds reasonable if that includes tax.
I got a set of AT3, including a full spare for 1850 from them, online though. No tax and no shipping. So that seems fair. Thing is you can't do a price comparison on ATP's since they are the only people that sell it, so you kind of just have to go with what they are offering you.

Try to have them throw in the road hazard warranty.
 
I just returned from Discount Tire and they quoted me at 1625 with the new wheels and Cooper ATP 285/70/17 tires WITH trade-in value for my OEM wheels and tires included. Good deal?[/QUOTE]

NO...that is not a good deal. discounttiredirect has a price of $1483 that I could have that set-up mailed right to my house mounted and balanced ($70 online savings). And if I called them and spoke to a person...I could probably get some money knocked off for the "wheel installation kit".
 
swimmerdude1127 said:
Bimrunner, not gonna lie, some of that was almost code to me haha. I definitely appreciate the knowledge base you guys have here.

My setup is all stock. No lift. Do you happen to have a link to a DIY fender lining mod and body mount chop?
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Very few of us DIY the bodymount chop. High Tech Auto and Truck did a really nice one on mine and I can show you some pictures, but a good shop WITH a fabrication shop should be able to take care of you. Not sure what you have available locally (or if you are a good metal worker/welder yourself).

Fender Liner mod is in the sticky on the first page, but here is the link: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/87546-will-285s-fit-black-wheel-question.html#post759604

Okki
 
Called discount back and was able to swing 1600 even without trading in my old ones. We'll see on Friday when wheels come in if that includes tax :/

Also went with 265s. I called a local 4x4 shop and they said offroad the 285s would rub like crazy in compression with a turn lockout. I can always upgrade when I lift.

Not a great deal but I don't think it was horrendous. Thoughts?
 
swimmerdude1127 said:
Called discount back and was able to swing 1600 even without trading in my old ones. We'll see on Friday when wheels come in if that includes tax :/

Also went with 265s. I called a local 4x4 shop and they said offroad the 285s would rub like crazy in compression with a turn lockout. I can always upgrade when I lift.

Not a great deal but I don't think it was horrendous. Thoughts?
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Why don't u stick with 275, in between 265 and 275
 
swimmerdude1127 said:
I assume you meant between 265 and 285. I'm pretty set on the coopers now and they don't come in 275 from what I can tell online.
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You can go with a 75 sidewall height, instead of the stock 70, and get about another 1/2 inch in ground clearance. It may throw off your speedodometer and odometer a bit however.

Speaking of which, doesn't any tire size change affect speedometer/odometer?
 
2013Trail said:
You can go with a 75 sidewall height, instead of the stock 70, and get about another 1/2 inch in ground clearance. It may throw off your speedodometer and odometer a bit however.

Speaking of which, doesn't any tire size change affect speedometer/odometer?
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'm gonna go with the Cooper ATPs in 265/70/17 for now and will consider changing when they wear out or I get my lift. I don't want to deal with finding out my vehicle rubs really bad during flex and a turn deep down a trail trip, I've come to realize.
 
2013Trail said:
Huh?
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I think he meant "lift."

I ended up going with 265/70/17 Cooper Discoverer ATPs and 17x9 Black Rhino Imperial wheels. $1531 out the door with Discount Tire without trading in my old ones, which I thought was a great final price.

The tire does rub very slightly on my passenger front wheel well in a right turn sometimes. Makes me glad I didn't go with 285/70/17s... Would've had major rub I believe.

What do you guys think?
 

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I'm not sure how you can have rubbing with a stock size tire. Do your new rims have an offset that is way different from stock rims?

Looking nice though!

Okki
 
They widen my stance just a tiny bit. I'll have to look up the exact offsets. The rubbing is almost not noticeable and only on certain slopes with a certain turn angle--- not even a locked out turn, which I found interesting.
 
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