new jeep jl recall

[spartacus]

Last weekened my neighbor talked to me about my 3rd and 5th gens and was torn between the 5th gen 4runner and jeep rubicon jl wanted the jl but just emailed me this link.
ntsb has made jeep stop selling the jeep rubicon jl and recall all sold
full disclosure, I loved my old jeep jk but bought a 4runner in 2000 and have not gone back but still respect and admire jeeps just not a good fit for my famiy.

SlashGear: Jeep Wrangler JL frame weld failures lead to vehicle recall.
https://www.slashgear.com/jeep-wrangler-jl-frame-weld-failures-lead-to-vehicle-recall-08549037/

 

[wcjeep]

Some JL's also have only partial welding on other parts of the frame. Many JL welds are rusting despite no off-road use.

 

[mnofpeace]

Im not here to bash jeep, im here to respect them. i cross shopped a 4door like many others here before buying my 5th gen...

I saw this yesterday as well, and all i could think of was how every review of the new jeep has been full of positives about how glorious it is. And then comparing it to the T4Rs, and how basic and old-skool our rigs are. But once again, it shows that our trucks are...

say it with me
>>DEPENDABLE...<<


it maybe old skool, but it works, today, tomorrow, and next decade. But they never talk about that.

i fully agree, knowing what Jeeps are, what they are made to do, what they are going to be doing, how do you NOT have an over-engineered weld point at, of all things, a suspension point...:der:

 

[blanchard7684]

That is just sad. In all seriousness... I had heard about this issue through different channels. I thought it was a random few issues. Wow. I really hope they get this fixed. I feel bad for folks who have to deal with this.

 

[spartacus]

My neighbor talked to a dealer and was told that the welds were done by robots at the assembly plant but now all jeeps jl that are recalled and those that are not sold yet will be welded and inspected by professional welders which is good news.

 

[Muzzle of Bees]

I am curious about the JL too. They are very intriguing vehicles, but the issues seem to range from minor irritations to major structure issues. They have serious oversight issues with their inspection and build processes that I cannot buy into. It's a jeep thing has gone to the extreme here.

 

[L8Shift]

I took a quick look at my neighbors 2018 truck and this is what I saw...

I looked at a 2015 and didn't even see that it was welded, on this side.

 

[spartacus]

I took a quick look at my neighbors 2018 truck and this is what I saw...

I looked at a 2015 and didn't even see that it was welded, on this side.

Wow no wonder the welds are seperating. its just tack welded on the side in the picture.

 

[T4R2014]

Wow. At least we can drive our 4Runners for 15-20 years before needing to weld the whole frame back together.

 

[JSparky]

About time. Heard about it from other forums, posted pics months ago myself. Every JL I've seen has crazy weld porosity on the frame mounts. I'm not an engineer but I do know a thing or two about welding over the years and I won't step foot in a JL until after checking out the welds. So far haven't test driven one. Not trying to spread a wildfire here, but from my experience it's a widespread issue. Sucks for such an iconic brand.

 

[jhguth]

My neighbor talked to a dealer and was told that the welds were done by robots at the assembly plant but now all jeeps jl that are recalled and those that are not sold yet will be welded and inspected by professional welders which is good news.

that's just one of the problems, the terribly ugly porous welds are another. those will definitely need another recall, especially when they all come apart from the smallest amount of rust.

it's also hilarious that one of the photos that had the weld nowhere near where it was supposed to be had a paint pen QC mark on it, so a human looked at the weld and didn't notice how wrong it was. leave it to the italians i guess to find a way to make jeep quality even worse

 

[TacoRunn0517]

Im not here to bash jeep, im here to respect them. i cross shopped a 4door like many others here before buying my 5th gen...

I saw this yesterday as well, and all i could think of was how every review of the new jeep has been full of positives about how glorious it is. And then comparing it to the T4Rs, and how basic and old-skool our rigs are. But once again, it shows that our trucks are...

say it with me
>>DEPENDABLE...<<


it maybe old skool, but it works, today, tomorrow, and next decade. But they never talk about that.

i fully agree, knowing what Jeeps are, what they are made to do, what they are going to be doing, how do you NOT have an over-engineered weld point at, of all things, a suspension point...:der:

Truth. Main reason why I take new car reviews and JD Power Awards with handful a salt ha. Dependability is boring. That doesn't sell well nor does it generate clicks and trending videos on YouTube. What does mean is that if you have a long-term perspective with your vehicles, the 4Runner fits that mindset. "ROI" is term that we really can't talk positively of when it comes to owning vehicles. The 4Runner is one of few vehicles offered today that can realistic give a positive ROI. At least on a consistent basis.

 

[blanchard7684]

After looking into this a bit more...I'm thinking the rest of the welds should be suspect.

In my line of work, this would be a hard stop, with every single weld, every single 0.001" , X-ray'd for defects.

 

[16RedRunner]

JEEP...... Just Empty Every Pocket

 

[gm350reratliff]

I took a quick look at my neighbors 2018 truck and this is what I saw...

I looked at a 2015 and didn't even see that it was welded, on this side.

Those welds look great compared to some of the welds I've seen online, lots of porosity. That could've been easily corrected after the first few instead of 1,000's later. This isn't a new thing though. When the JK was first launched one of my customers purchased one of the first ones in the state. With less than 50 miles on it, the front track bar bracket broke loose from the frame and sent him into the ditch. He was barely able to keep control of it but managed to just go off into the ditch without much more damage or injuries. Several other welds were absolutely terrible on that Jeep. He was shaken up and immediately complained to Jeep who immediately gave him another Jeep and took that one for inspection but the whole deal was basically swept under the rug. I had seen a few other JK's since then that have terrible welds but nobody seems to be bothered by it (including the owners).