New Setup Questions

[SoCal4Run]

Believe me, I know there are some that will say "SEARCH", and I have. I have been reading through this forum on many of the items, but I just wanted to post to get answers before diving in and spending money. Get real feedback. Planning on getting new wheels and tires for my 2014 SR5. Wanted to make sure that all the information would be the same for 2014 as previous years. Shouldn't have changed that much. Don't plan on lifting, but probably will by end of year. Not anything major, maybe just a leveling type kit or bilsteins with a 1.5" spacer in the back. I don't plan on any heavy offroading at all, mostly daily driving on streets. Here's what I'm thinking:

-18x9 Ultra Gauntlets 6x5.5 with -12mm offset

- stuck on tire decision. I have read a lot on this, and it seems I would me safe without a lift at 275/65/18. However, I'm worried this isn't going to really fill the well that much more than my stock 265/70/17. So I'm wondering if I will be ok with 285/65/18 with that wheel/offset. Seems like the negative offset will push the wheel out a little more. I'm fine doing some minor trimming and I can read on pushing the inner liner in.

- issue with removing the mudflaps. I went to remove the flaps this past weekend and realized that it removes the whole lining with it. Is there a replacement part for just the wheel well? Or would you have to cut the plastic?

So again, I'm leaning towards the 18x9 with 285/65/18 (BF Good A/T KO or Nitto Terra Grappler) with no lift for now. Only doing 1"-2" lift in future. Should I go with that or will the 275/65/18 be plenty big enough to fill it out. Thanks for your input.

 

[1engineer]

The tire fitment guide in my signature will help you. The '14's did not change dimensions. Make sure to read the links provided there on offset and BS.

You have to cut the plastic.

 

[SoCal4Run]

The tire fitment guide in my signature will help you. The '14's did not change dimensions. Make sure to read the links provided there on offset and BS.

You have to cut the plastic.

Yeah, that's the fitment guide I was referring to. The 285/65/18 is yellow, so I'm just wondering how bad it will be. And I read about the offset and BS. Stock backspacing is 4.5", and with a -12mm offset, the backspacing remains the same. So will that help alleviate rubbing issues with the 285/65/18. Is the extra 0.51" diameter going to make a big difference visually in filling in the wheel well?

Will all the trimming just be on the inner wheel well lining?

 

[1engineer]

Yeah, that's the fitment guide I was referring to. The 285/65/18 is yellow, so I'm just wondering how bad it will be. And I read about the offset and BS. Stock backspacing is 4.5", and with a -12mm offset, the backspacing remains the same. So will that help alleviate rubbing issues with the 285/65/18. Is the extra 0.51" diameter going to make a big difference visually in filling in the wheel well?

Will all the trimming just be on the inner wheel well lining?

Sorry man. There are no guarantees. Also what is "visually appealing" to you won't be to the next guy. You face an uphill battle by going with 18's because there are so few choices out there.

My chart uses standard sizes. Tire manufacturers bend the rules somewhat so if I were you I would pick a tire and look up the dimensions FOR THAT TIRE. Could be a little bigger or smaller than standard sizes depending on your tire. I use stock size of 265/70/17 yet my tires measure close to a 275 diameter on my 4Runner. The guide is just that. A guide. Good luck and you will know to quit trimming when they quit rubbing.

 

[thebwlife]

I'd keep the 17" if your doing a lift and bigger tires. As far as a 1-2" lift go seemy build thread the last post I did. I cover a alternative lift that would be a good option for you.

 

[SoCal4Run]

So even if I don't plan on doing a lot of off-roading, you would say to stick with 17's. The lift would primarily to just level out or gain any clearance for tires.

Also was wondering about lug nuts. I understand most aftermarket take acorn style, and that we need 12x1.5. I'm looking for black ones, and these are what I was looking at. I understand I would need 24, so I would have to get an extra pack of 4, but these should work, correct?

Gorilla Automotive 21133BC Small Diameter Acorn Black 5 Lug Kit (12mm x 1.50 Thread Size) - Pack of 20 : Amazon.com : Automotive

 

[Hawaiian4runner]

This is not the forum to discuss filling out the wheel gap...As others said, stick to 17s. 18 x9 -12mm offset will put those wheels way outside and will rub on everything including the body mounts. Not that 17 x 9 will be any better but at least you have more choices of tires.

 

[eddiebx]

So even if I don't plan on doing a lot of off-roading, you would say to stick with 17's. The lift would primarily to just level out or gain any clearance for tires.

Also was wondering about lug nuts. I understand most aftermarket take acorn style, and that we need 12x1.5. I'm looking for black ones, and these are what I was looking at. I understand I would need 24, so I would have to get an extra pack of 4, but these should work, correct?

Gorilla Automotive 21133BC Small Diameter Acorn Black 5 Lug Kit (12mm x 1.50 Thread Size) - Pack of 20 : Amazon.com : Automotive

Regarding the diameter of rim, just get whatever floats your boat. If you want larger selection of tires stick with 17s; if you don't care get the 18s. Most of us stick with 17s since we want more tires to pick from and want the extra sidewall for better wheel protection when things get rough.

Don't get the lug nuts until you have the wheels, they might differ, so just get them all at once to ensure compatibility. ALSO, remember to keep 6 factory lug nuts in the trunk somewhere in case you need to use the spare wheel. Unless of course you replace your spare with a matching aftermarket wheel.

 

[3wbdriver]

This is not the forum to discuss filling out the wheel gap...

:wow::wow::wow:

Then where for ist thou said forum? :shrug:

 

[Hawaiian4runner]

:wow::wow::wow:

Then where for ist thou said forum? :shrug:

Just playing. Just sounds so Honda/ricer when you talk about filling up the wheel gap.

 

[1engineer]

:wow::wow::wow:

Then where for ist thou said forum? :shrug:

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[Hawaiian4runner]

Regarding the diameter of rim, just get whatever floats your boat. If you want larger selection of tires stick with 17s; if you don't care get the 18s. Most of us stick with 17s since we want more tires to pick from and want the extra sidewall for better wheel protection when things get rough.

Don't get the lug nuts until you have the wheels, they might differ, so just get them all at once to ensure compatibility. ALSO, remember to keep 6 factory lug nuts in the trunk somewhere in case you need to use the spare wheel. Unless of course you replace your spare with a matching aftermarket wheel.

Thanks for the reminder on the lug nuts. I knew the lug nuts were different at the time but forgot to put a set in the trunk and have been rolling around for 3 years now. Have had 2 flat tires that I managed to plug so luckily I never had to use the spare.

 

[SoCal4Run]

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Thanks for that. I don't understand why I get a hard time in that comment. Why are there so many threads about maximizing tire size. Isn't that really about filling it out?

 

[1engineer]

Thanks for that. I don't understand why I get a hard time in that comment. Why are there so many threads about maximizing tire size. Isn't that really about filling it out?

Just kidding with that link lol. For some it's all about looks and big 'ol tars' are part of the look. For many here the bigger tires mean something much more useful: increased ground clearance for off road driving. It costs quite a bit to increase tire size, both in higher tire cost and then continuing expense of decreased vehicle efficiency by as much as 10 percent due to weight of tire and increased rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag. But, the only true way to increase ground clearance is to install larger tires and sometimes you need all you can get. I never understood doing it solely for looks though. Too expensive.

 

[eddiebx]

Thanks for that. I don't understand why I get a hard time in that comment. Why are there so many threads about maximizing tire size. Isn't that really about filling it out?

Most of the people here up-sizing the tire diameter do it to increase the rear differential ground clearance, because that's one part of the truck that can't be raised by a suspension lift. But I mean don't let that deter you, do it for whatever reason that makes you happy, it's your ride!

Heck, some people here build absolutely sick trail worthy rigs with $5k suspension setups and super beefy MT tires, just drive it to the local mall and flex on some piles of snow. Different strokes for different folks :cheers:

 

[Curt Sauve]

Thanks for that. I don't understand why I get a hard time in that comment. Why are there so many threads about maximizing tire size. Isn't that really about filling it out?

If you are just going for the poser off road look, just do a 3" spacer lift, and a cut and fit on the fender liners and body mounts to fit the tire size of your choice. A stock T4R is very capable off road with just a decent set of 17" wheels and stock size AT tires, but if you want to take your brand new vehicle out of spec for real off road use, invest in a high end full suspension swap out like King or Icon.

 

[SoCal4Run]

First off, when did I ever say I'm going all out for the crazy poser look. People don't put aftermarket wheels and tires on their cars for looks? I didn't know this forum was only for 4 runners that go off-road. Maybe I misunderstood. Was just trying to get information. Thanks.

 

[3wbdriver]

Oh I'm totally going for the poser look!! :wink2:

I might get to really play with mine off road 3 or 4 times a year with my work schedule. But I already have the Bilstein 2" lift/leveling kit, a set of wheels on the way, and will be getting tires in a couple weeks. It's why I started reading this forum. I want to be ready to play when I do get the chance to play. As for wheel gap, the only thing I bemoan is that I feel the front fenders could have been designed maybe 1 1/2" larger in radius. For those of us who would like to go with a mildly wider tire/wheel setup without needing a lift. I would like my sidewalls to be more outward toward the fender flares, but I'll look into fixing that after I get the combo added. And if adding hub spacers creates clearance problems, I'll leave them sucked under.

 

[Curt Sauve]

First off, when did I ever say I'm going all out for the crazy poser look. People don't put aftermarket wheels and tires on their cars for looks? I didn't know this forum was only for 4 runners that go off-road. Maybe I misunderstood. Was just trying to get information. Thanks.

I don't believe that any of the answers you got were intended to insult you, in your OP you said that you wanted feedback on your build plan.

 

[SoCal4Run]

Ok, so I got my new setup installed this evening, and was really excited about it. Until I got home in my garage in the lights and saw that 3 of the 4 wheels are all scratched. Brand new wheels. ATX Mojaves. Got everything installed at discount tires. Going right back to them tomorrow. Will they replace them?