Nitto Terra Grappler G2 vs Cooper Disco At/3

[jjdbike]

The most recent Consumer Reports rating ranked the Michelin ltx ms2 the best all season truck/ suv tire (not the best AT tire) and Michelin Defender ltx the best all season tire overall. Note, Michelin's AT tire is the ltx AT2. Ltx ms2's, though not identified as an AT by Michelin, actually get some love from users for decent, mild off road performance. As I understand it, before Michelin introduced a nominal AT tire, the ltx ms was considered its 'AT' tire. Consumer Reports recent ratings scored the Cooper AT/W as one of its highest rated AT tires. FYI, the ATWs come in both LT & P; to look at sizes in the p rating, you have to look at 'suv' tires on the Cooper website.
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Good points.
The top 4 AT tires on Consumer Reports in order are, Hankook Dynapro AT-M (nit available in P), Goodyear All Terrain Adventure w/ Kevlar (rated poor for rolling resistance), Michelin LTX A/T 2 (not avaibale in P), Cooper Discoverer AT/W available in P in 285/70/17 in two weeks. Apparently has all the beinifits of the AT/3 but metter in snow. Only signiciant difs I noticed w/e the sipes. Here are the specs for the P285/70/17 givien to me by Cooper rep: 32.76 diameter, tread face 8.94, 11.5 side section width, weight 45lbs, polly side wall , order # 90000025343. This is my next tire set.
JD

 

[brockvond]

Good points.
The top 4 AT tires on Consumer Reports in order are, Hankook Dynapro AT-M (nit available in P), Goodyear All Terrain Adventure w/ Kevlar (rated poor for rolling resistance), Michelin LTX A/T 2 (not avaibale in P), Cooper Discoverer AT/W available in P in 285/70/17 in two weeks. Apparently has all the beinifits of the AT/3 but metter in snow. Only signiciant difs I noticed w/e the sipes. Here are the specs for the P285/70/17 givien to me by Cooper rep: 32.76 diameter, tread face 8.94, 11.5 side section width, weight 45lbs, polly side wall , order # 90000025343. This is my next tire set.
JD

Glad you came to a decision. Have fun with them!

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[Georgiey22]

Installed a set of Nitto Grappler G2's 1K miles ago. They are quiet on the road, tested on a road trip with the T4R fully loaded with family and bags. This morning went off-roading and they GRIP so well in soft and hard dirt, drove up and down some steep hills and didn't even need to activate 4X4. Big fan of them over here.

 

[marlinsfan]

Ugh, so now I have to make the decision about 3-4 months earlier than I hoped. The OEM tires have 4 to 5 /16ths left on them, but yesterday I caught a fat nail on the sidewall and none of the 3 shops I visited want to patch it up. I'm now riding without a spare....

So since snow performance is my #1 priority, looks like I'm tryint to decide now between the Cooper AT3 and the ATW. Discount Tire has the AT3 but not the ATW in 265/70 R17. I found the ATW at treaddepot.com, but only has 5 reviews and no rating scale like discount tire.

The ATW have the snowflake rating (as did the Duratracs I ran). Anyone running the ATWs that can comment on the road noise vs the Duratrac?:fear:

 

[MisplacedTexan]

The ATW have the snowflake rating (as did the Duratracs I ran). Anyone running the ATWs that can comment on the road noise vs the Duratrac?:fear:

I've never ran the Duratracs, but the Coopers were the first A/T tire I ever had. I expected some more noise coming over from a street tire, but I was surprised at how little it actually added.

 

[MagLE]

Cooper ATP

Just switched from the factory Jokoyamas to Cooper ATP 275/55 R20. Similar tire but as the one you're suggesting.

Was suprised how little road noise I had compared to the stock. Was only slightly more. Glad I don't get the annoying hum/drone I had with the BF Rugged Trails on my previous vehicle.

 

[hawaiianryan]

I'm running P-metric Nitto G2 in 265/70/17. I'm really happy with them so far. Tires are super quiet and ride smooth. We don't have any snow out here in Hawaii, but we do have a lot of rain at times. The tires do excellent in standing water and wet road conditions. Haven't had an issue with hydroplaning like I did with the OEM Bridgestones.

 

[Woz1976-MT]

Anyone running the ATWs that can comment on the road noise vs the Duratrac?:fear:

I still don't have my T4R TE yet, but all of the tire people I've checked with have said that the AT/W is a quiet tire (supposedly a tad quieter than the A/T3. Even thought they are E-load rated, I've also been told that if you get the air pressure dialed in they are relatively good (comfortable?) on dry pavement.

If you can hold out for another couple of weeks I can maybe tell you -- the tires are already at the dealer but apparently that earthquake in Japan slowed the arrival my 4Runner.

 

[FrontRange4Runner]

Ugh, so now I have to make the decision about 3-4 months earlier than I hoped. The OEM tires have 4 to 5 /16ths left on them, but yesterday I caught a fat nail on the sidewall and none of the 3 shops I visited want to patch it up. I'm now riding without a spare....

So since snow performance is my #1 priority, looks like I'm tryint to decide now between the Cooper AT3 and the ATW. Discount Tire has the AT3 but not the ATW in 265/70 R17. I found the ATW at treaddepot.com, but only has 5 reviews and no rating scale like discount tire.

The ATW have the snowflake rating (as did the Duratracs I ran). Anyone running the ATWs that can comment on the road noise vs the Duratrac?:fear:

ATW will beat the AT3 in snow preference because that is what it's engineered to do. It's more of a hybrid AT/winter tire with winter performance being a very high priority - not a straight AT. Canadian tire also said it had the highest hydroplaning resistance of any tire they tested. ATW is far less aggressive than the Duratrac, with much smaller shoulder lugs so I would expect them to be less noisy, especially at highway speeds. It will not be as capable off road. If I was only running 1 set of tires and only did mild offrading, but needed the best winter performance without buying an actual winter tire, I would get the ATW. If I planned on going into the desert or mountains to explore the road less traveled, I would go AT3 (well for me it would be the STMaxx). For best performance in both situations, run a set of winter tires in the cold months, because nothing will beat them.

Also in the future, unless your state requires the snowflake symbol in the winter, you can ignore it. I don't want to get into another long winded paragraph, but it is really not that meaningful these days.

 

[marlinsfan]

ATW will beat the AT3 in snow preference because that is what it's engineered to do.

Thanks for that. Yes, I reached the same conclusion doing some research. Now that I have it narrowed down to the one tire, I ran across the new BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 which believe it or not have the highest snow rating and seem to be a contender. The prices I've found are:

TireRack has the 112/109S rated with blackwall for $852 plus $100+ in shipping
DiscountTire has LT265 /70 R17 112S C1 RWL for $995 shipped. can't tell if white letter or blackwall
TreadDepot has LT265/70R17 BFG AT TA KO2 121S E WL white letter for $884 shipped.

What's the difference in ride between the 112 and the 121? I don't haul anything other than 4 pairs of skis on a hitch rack, with luggage inside. I don't.

Thoughts on AT/W vs T/A KO2? Crap this is not an easy decision.

 

[t3qrunner]

Thanks for that. Yes, I reached the same conclusion doing some research. Now that I have it narrowed down to the one tire, I ran across the new BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 which believe it or not have the highest snow rating and seem to be a contender. The prices I've found are:

TireRack has the 112/109S rated with blackwall for $852 plus $100+ in shipping
DiscountTire has LT265 /70 R17 112S C1 RWL for $995 shipped. can't tell if white letter or blackwall
TreadDepot has LT265/70R17 BFG AT TA KO2 121S E WL white letter for $884 shipped.

What's the difference in ride between the 112 and the 121? I don't haul anything other than 4 pairs of skis on a hitch rack, with luggage inside. I don't.

Thoughts on AT/W vs T/A KO2? Crap this is not an easy decision.

I've driven the KO2s in mild snow, and they're no dedicated snow tire, but I definitely felt comfortable with them on there. Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with either of these tires - you're going through analysis paralysis.

Just buy the KO2s and mount 'em white out make a decision and you'll be happy!

Also, I always thought the tires on the KO2s had both black and white lettering... you just tell them which side you want out.

edit: 112 vs 121 is actually the load indices ratings for the C and E rated tires. Unless you're adding some serious weight, I think that the C-rated are fine.

 

[stir_fry_boy]

LTX MS/2. I have had three sets in the past and they are a very good tire. I drive about 30K/yr and buy new tires every other year or so. The are not real good in the mud so I though I would try some AT tires for awhile, like the past 150K. After trying the Coopers and the Nittos (both good tires) ultimately they did not do much better in the mud than the Michelins. On the highway there is really no comparison. Now if rugged is the LOOK you want then it's not Michelin lol. We will see. I still have 30K or so to go on these Nittos.

I had a set of the LTX AT2 on my 02 T4R. Did horrible in the snow, and people on tirerack.com agree. Switched to the Goodyear Adventure All Terrain and they did much better in the snow, but a little worse off road. The Nittos on my PRO do even better off road than the Goodyears.

 

[FrontRange4Runner]

Thanks for that. Yes, I reached the same conclusion doing some research. Now that I have it narrowed down to the one tire, I ran across the new BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 which believe it or not have the highest snow rating and seem to be a contender. The prices I've found are:

TireRack has the 112/109S rated with blackwall for $852 plus $100+ in shipping
DiscountTire has LT265 /70 R17 112S C1 RWL for $995 shipped. can't tell if white letter or blackwall
TreadDepot has LT265/70R17 BFG AT TA KO2 121S E WL white letter for $884 shipped.

What's the difference in ride between the 112 and the 121? I don't haul anything other than 4 pairs of skis on a hitch rack, with luggage inside. I don't.

Thoughts on AT/W vs T/A KO2? Crap this is not an easy decision.

KO2 is an AT just like the AT3 and will preform similarly in the snow (and hopefully better than my old KO's). The ATW is designed for better snow performance and that can be seen in the tread design and the large amount of siping, which the AT3 and KO2 do not have. In my experience, people who say that their AT tire is "awesome" in the snow has never used a set of winter tires. Even my cheap set of winter tires destroy any AT tire that I have driven on in the snow. It all comes down to what your main priority is. If snow traction is #1 then be looking at hybrid winter/AT or dedicated winter tires. If off road then AT tires such as the KO2 and AT3 are the way to go (or a MT obv). Its worth keeping in mind that the idea if "all terrain" is a major compromise. AT tires are generally ok at many different things, but not great at any of them (snow performance being one of them). Things like mud or winter tires are geared towards their intended use and are the best at it, but sacrifice in other areas.