Louisiana Overland
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Thank you for the good info!!
Odyssey Group 34 - Whats been your experience?
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Thank you for the good info!!
e60ral
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I use this Bluetooth battery monitor to trend the battery voltage:
Automotive BM2 Wireless Car Battery Tester 12V Battery Load Tester Bluetooth 4.0 Battery Voltage, Charging and Cranking System Monitor Digital Battery Analyzer for Android & IOS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y5PC9D8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_zPlcBbR2C1DNS
And watch voltage on my ScanGauge
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Automotive BM2 Wireless Car Battery Tester 12V Battery Load Tester Bluetooth 4.0 Battery Voltage, Charging and Cranking System Monitor Digital Battery Analyzer for Android & IOS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y5PC9D8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_zPlcBbR2C1DNS
And watch voltage on my ScanGauge
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nglayton
Senior Member
I was in on the xp270 group buy.
I'm actually running a 31M and a 65M as my second battery. I just ugraded from a 34m. It's working like a champ. No issues so far.
I went with this group 24 from X2Power, a rebranded Northstar. It’s a few more AH and about 8 lbs heavier than the group 34 Odyssey. It fits in the stock battery tray. It’s been fantastic. My trucks a yr old but a big difference. I also have a portable battery pack I built and wired into the truck with a Redarc Dc/DC charger that’s also solar enabled. The battery there is a Battle Born Lithium Battery. I run my fridge off that, as well as any electronics I need via an inverter.
Funny I have the pelfrey as I was going to go with a group 31, and I had to trim the battery as it was too wide! I also was worried about the alternator issues and not being able to charge it to full capacity. Anyway. Super happy with the portable I built and loving the X2 Power. The Battle Born is sick and I can use the entire 100AH without hurting it. So it’s essentially 4x the capacity of a lead acid 100AH battery.....and 1/2 the weight)
https://www.batteriesplus.com/battery/sli/bci-group-24/sli24agmdp
Funny I have the pelfrey as I was going to go with a group 31, and I had to trim the battery as it was too wide! I also was worried about the alternator issues and not being able to charge it to full capacity. Anyway. Super happy with the portable I built and loving the X2 Power. The Battle Born is sick and I can use the entire 100AH without hurting it. So it’s essentially 4x the capacity of a lead acid 100AH battery.....and 1/2 the weight)
https://www.batteriesplus.com/battery/sli/bci-group-24/sli24agmdp
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AGM Battery
As you can see from the picture I have two different AGM batteries. I will probably get some flak for these not being the same type. Optima D34M and Odyssey 34R-PC 1500. They are isolated by a Blue Sea ACR which is in the locked off position.The optima is for accessories only and used as a backup in case the primary fails.
I put both batteries on a "CTEK multi us 7002" maintain charger when the truck is not being used. this should take care of low charging issues and desulfation.
I was not comfortable using boosters to up the voltage.
Note: This is not a daily driver, recreational use only.
So far So good.
As you can see from the picture I have two different AGM batteries. I will probably get some flak for these not being the same type. Optima D34M and Odyssey 34R-PC 1500. They are isolated by a Blue Sea ACR which is in the locked off position.The optima is for accessories only and used as a backup in case the primary fails.
I put both batteries on a "CTEK multi us 7002" maintain charger when the truck is not being used. this should take care of low charging issues and desulfation.
I was not comfortable using boosters to up the voltage.
Note: This is not a daily driver, recreational use only.
So far So good.
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Louisiana Overland
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Well, I got the fridge and slide installed and then installed a group 34 odyssey. I finally terminated the wiring to the new plug this morning and made it “live”. I ended up replacing thr carpet etc in the cargo area with 3/4” birch plywood and painted that with bedliner. I also installed a threaded arb 12v receptacle on the fender well fowrard of the fridge and slide. Thr wiring from the recepatcle ties in under my drivers seat. I ran 2awg wire there for an ausio amp and did a sual amp install kit that left me with an unused fused lug on a distribution block. This is “always on”. I ordered the HKB diode today as well as a lithium jump pack, a viair compressor, deflator, and repair kit. That should be the last of the gear I wanted on board for my trip out west next month. I am planning to do the enchanted rockies trail from new mexico to wyoming.
I have the voltage protect set at “medium” and the fridge is running at 37deg F. The groceries I just hauled home were nice and cold!
I have the voltage protect set at “medium” and the fridge is running at 37deg F. The groceries I just hauled home were nice and cold!
Jeffy
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Just a note on how long the Odyssey group 34 lasts when I tailgate/ camp:
When I have my 1200w RMS stereo system playing at about 80% volume, fridge running, and LED flood lights for night time, my battery will last a solid 4 hours before the voltage starts dropping too low for my stereo's amps. That's a hell of a lot of juice. Once that happens I just run the engine for about 20-30 minutes and it's ready to go again for another 4 hours (beware of CO poisoning if you're hanging out near the exhaust)
When I have my 1200w RMS stereo system playing at about 80% volume, fridge running, and LED flood lights for night time, my battery will last a solid 4 hours before the voltage starts dropping too low for my stereo's amps. That's a hell of a lot of juice. Once that happens I just run the engine for about 20-30 minutes and it's ready to go again for another 4 hours (beware of CO poisoning if you're hanging out near the exhaust)
Bumbo
New member
There really is no downside aside from cost to buy or make.
The biggest downside to NOT using one, is the imminent slow death of the battery itself. Without proper charge voltages and or maintenance, the battery will suffer from permanent capacity degradation over time.
The secondary downside is a slight loss of capacity in amp hours because it never really fully charges which also contributes to loss in service life over time.
Both things reduce it's overall service life and performance. It ends up costing you a lot more in the long run vs just getting the correct voltage and or maintenance program from your AGM.
Bumbo
New member
Well then you were right, the price
I think they are really to new to determine if there are any long term detrimental effects to the trucks electrical subsystems. I haven't seen or heard of any issues in the last few years.
I think its pretty safe to say you would see little to no detrimental effects long term.
In fact something boosted into the high 14s or low 15s may actually help the overall electrical system especially with higher electrical loads.
With higher voltages you generally reduce the amp draw for the same wattage load and helps fight again voltage drop at the load end... most appliances light fridges, car amps, and most other things are happier being in the higher end of supply voltages anyways since the efficiency figures go up.
For example if you look at the RMS / Peak ratings on a car audio amp that makes 300 watts, that wattage rating is at the maximum input voltage of the device.
For the sake of the example lets say that's 15 volts...
15 volts x 20 amps = 300 watts
The amp wont exceed 20 amps, as protected by a 20 amp fuse. Lets assume the voltage is 13.5 volts now...
13.5 volts x 20 amps = 270 watts.
The maximum power output of that 300 watt amp is reduced due to 270 watts in a 13.5 volt system.
Most everything is more efficient on the top end of of its input voltage... Ham radios, winches, you name it. Less amps, less heat, with more voltage.
majorh
New member
I have the 34R-PC1500 and it has worked well so far. I've noticed that I can keep my ham radio and other accessories on while starting the car and they remain on the whole time. My original FLA battery would allow the voltage to drop far enough that my radio would shut off.
The downside is that the stock alternator generates a voltage under 14v, which isn't enough to keep the Odyssey charged. I have to connect a charger at least once a month to ensure the battery is topped off.
I've heard reports of a diode/fuse hack to trick the alternator into producing higher voltage (sounds dangerous) and some people go with the upgraded 270XP alternator. I've been a little too fearful of changing an alternator myself.
The downside is that the stock alternator generates a voltage under 14v, which isn't enough to keep the Odyssey charged. I have to connect a charger at least once a month to ensure the battery is topped off.
I've heard reports of a diode/fuse hack to trick the alternator into producing higher voltage (sounds dangerous) and some people go with the upgraded 270XP alternator. I've been a little too fearful of changing an alternator myself.
themuffinman619
New member
Why not just bump up to group 24 or 27 battery? Reserve capacity in a 24 is around 160, group 27 reserve is around 190.
Louisiana Overland
New member
I judt recieved the HBK diode today and installed it. The charge voltage at 1500rpm was at 13.63volts before install....and 14.4 volts after install.
I wish I had seen this thread earlier.
I replaced my stock 6 year old (functioning) Panasonic with a 34R-1500 in my 2012 4Runner and all was good... for two weeks. Now I have a check battery light showing.
If the stock charging system really can't appropriately charge this battery without intervention, then is it really a good replacement??
I replaced my stock 6 year old (functioning) Panasonic with a 34R-1500 in my 2012 4Runner and all was good... for two weeks. Now I have a check battery light showing.
If the stock charging system really can't appropriately charge this battery without intervention, then is it really a good replacement??
jrandom
New member
you would usually have an energy need that would make it a requirement. If your truck is mostly stock, there really is no need.
majorh
New member
I had this issue and found the culprit here in this thread:
I found myself connecting the Odyssey charger to the battery once every 1-2 months and it was frustrating. Once I found and removed the faulty GPS tracker that the dealer installed on my car, the problem went away. I haven't topped off the Odyssey in 2-3 months now and the voltage reads ~ 12.85V when I test it with a meter.
If there's something in your car that slowly sips power from the battery, it may be a good time to disconnect it. The stock 4Runner alternator can't charge the battery at a voltage level high enough to bring it back to full capacity. It can only maintain the battery.
Also, your battery could be defective. It should be able to take a charge from a decent charger (mine is 20A) and hold that for a good while. Normal driving around town without long periods of power draw with the battery off shouldn't lower the voltage.
97BlackAckCL
Elite Member
I've had zero issues charging my 34 Odyssey, are you sure your terminals are clean and tight?
Dead Alternator
So I thought I would update everyone regarding the battery warning light two weeks after install of 34R-1500 Odyssey. Short version: the alternator went out to lunch two weeks after this battery installation. Toyota is replacing the alternator under extended warranty.
Glad to see it had nothing to do with my choice of battery! I am also working the HBK diode angle to get best battery charge possible for the Odyssey.
Thanks to all!
So I thought I would update everyone regarding the battery warning light two weeks after install of 34R-1500 Odyssey. Short version: the alternator went out to lunch two weeks after this battery installation. Toyota is replacing the alternator under extended warranty.
Glad to see it had nothing to do with my choice of battery! I am also working the HBK diode angle to get best battery charge possible for the Odyssey.
Thanks to all!
97BlackAckCL
Elite Member
That was my next suggestion, glad you got it figured out
Friggin Idiot
Senior Member
[MENTION=121471]vorwac00[/MENTION] I saw this in another thread and thought it might be useful here too. I don't have the Odyssey yet, but my OEM battery is getting a little slow in the cold weather so plan on it soon. I have a few of these things on the way from O'Reilly's. I grabbed 5 of them +tax +shipping, and didn't even get to half the cost of the HBK.
I should have mentioned this a long time ago, but it slipped my mind. There is another reliable and MUCH cheaper way than all of the posted options to boost your voltage, and it's also OEM.
About 1.5 years ago I did a lot of research into these vehicles charging systems and the similarities they share with other brands, suppliers etc and found that some GM's also utilize these alternators and have a higher charging voltage.
What I found was that those GM's, from the factory, include a diode fuse instead of the standard fuse we have on our alternator sense wire. It causes the alternator to see a voltage drop on the alternator sense wire, and so the alternator boosts the voltage to compensate.
I was the guinea pig on this one, and while it's obviously a small sample size, I have had 0 issues over 1.5 years and tens of thousands of miles in all types of weather, temperatures and distances. I have an Odyssey 34R-PC1500 and a 1000 watt aftermarket sound system with 0 issues.
The best part of this is, you can get one of these OEM diode fuses out of pretty much any 90's-2000 GM, Chevy, Pontiac for less than $1 out of your local junkyard. I bought 3-4 of them for about 2 bucks lol.
My voltage on a cold start is ~14.7 and ~14.2 when warm. In the summer I've seen it drop to around ~13.8 or so. Please note that these will not make your alternator to generate more amperage, just voltage. So if you are already pulling too much current from your alternator, boosting the voltage won't help you. This is for those of us that have AGM batteries and want to give them the recommended voltage.
More Information on the actual part.
Gm Diode Fuse - PN 12135037
Littelfuse 1 Amp Mini Diode - Oreily Link
