wadle5
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I guess your ability to dismiss yourself is easier when making me a scape goat?
Carry on with your closed minded self. . . .?
Orlando Attack...ISIS claims it!
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I guess your ability to dismiss yourself is easier when making me a scape goat?
Carry on with your closed minded self. . . .?
-JD-
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You do see the difference between voicing an opinion in an online forum and military intervention, right?
wadle5
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Not arguing that. I'm simply saying the problem is now allowing them to spread their extreme beliefs and religion among the rest of the world. And using the p.c. crowd as their crutch to do this.
If America is truly the crux of the Middle East, how come so many keep immigrating here?
Hepar
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You may have missed my post where I actually agree with you! You're using Switzerland as an example of a model that we should follow, correct? I think so too!
nevada
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due process.
just like the silly no fly list. its a ridiculously easy list to get on, and extremely difficult to be removed from. last I heard, there were babies on the list, solely because of their names..
but, due process aside, I say it was a failure on the part of the FBI, and our government. one only had to look at his immediately family to figure out there was a problem.
wadle5
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IT WASN'T AN ASSAULT RIFLE. How can we even have discussion about particular items when people keep ignoring the actual facts?
But yes Nevada. . .FBI failure and truly pathetic someone under federal investigation MORE THAN once, can purchase a GUN.
cfranck1
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Just got this from a friend of mine..
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nevada
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I think you missed a decimal place there. add a zero to the end of those.
the count is something like 300 million guns.
taking that into account, we have relatively low gun deaths.
they are just sensationalized now, and most recently are able to be broadcast instantly thanks to social media and network sharing.
previously, we had to wait to read it in the paper. it wasn't be force fed to the population.
Zonie Taco
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From what I hear he had a glock and a sig sauer AR 15 style assult rifle
Again not anti gun, buy as many machine guns as you want unless you have been investigated for terrorism. I dont care if he wanted to buy a .22 pistol. the guy was being looked at for terrorism. does anyone really support that suspected terrorists should be able to buy guns?
Hepar
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So [MENTION=84680]wadle5[/MENTION], this is the first thing I found on the gun laws of Switzerland. Now, please keep in mind that it is from Wikipedia, so I am not claiming its 100% validity. How do you think it would be best to implement these measures? I think if we had a sweeping initiative, people would be quite upset. Maybe we need to implement them slowly. I do know that a lot of people are going to be upset that a carry weapon now has such restrictions, but if we could also become one of the safest countries just like Switzerland, then it would be for the greater good, right?
Switzerland Gun Control:
Regulation
Switzerland's Weapons Law (WG, LArm)[9] and Weapons Act (WV, OArm)[10] has been revised to accede to the Schengen Treaty effective 12 December 2008.
The law is applied to the following weapons:
Firearms, such as pistols, revolvers, rifles, pump guns (Vorderschaftrepetierer), lever-action rifles, self-loading guns (shotguns and rifles);
Air and CO2 guns with muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or if there is risk of confusion with a firearm;
Imitation, alarm gun (Schreckschuss) and soft-air guns when there is risk of confusion with a firearm;
Butterfly knives, throwing knives, knife-handed operation with automatic mechanism with total length greater than 12 cm and blade length greater than 5 cm;
Daggers with symmetrical blade is less than 30 cm;
Devices that are intended to hurt people like rod (Schlagrute), throwing star, brass knuckles, slings with armrest;
all electric shock devices and spray products with irritants in Annex 2 weapons Regulation (WV), except for pepper spray.
A "shooting society " somewhere in Switzerland; people come to such ranges to complete mandatory training with service arms, or to shoot for sport and competition.
Generally prohibited arms are:
Automatic firearms such as machine guns, etc.
Automatic knife when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Butterfly knife when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Throwing knives; regardless of the shape and size
Symmetrical daggers when blade length less than 30 cm
Brass knuckles
Shock rods
Throwing Stars
Skidding with armrest
Stun guns
Weapons that imitate an object of utility as shooting phones, etc.
Acquisition
Buying guns
In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 8 WG). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania (Art. 12, WV). The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:
valid official identification or passport copy
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months
For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (Art. 11 WG):
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component
Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer;
Type and number of official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component
and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.
This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (Art. 9 WG).
Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG):
Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle
By the Federal Council designated hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland
Single-shot rabbit slayer;
Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or may be confused because of their appearance with real firearms
Buying Ammunition
Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Soldiers equipped with the Sig 550 assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed can, to be opened only upon alert and for use while en route to join their unit. This practice was stopped in 2007.[11]
In order to purchase ammunition the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply to buying guns. The buyer can only buy munition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (Art. 15, 16 WG; Art 24 WV):[9][10]
valid official identification or passport (and must be older than 18 and who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and must not be a citizen of the following countries (Art. 12 WV): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania)
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months
weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years
This also applies for weapons which do not require a weapon acquisition permit (see above, excluding the weapon acquisition permit, of course).
This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holder is registered.
The same applies to black powder and modern black powder substitutes for use in firing historical rifles.
A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
The possession of the following munition is generally prohibited:
Ammunition with armor-piercing bullets
Ammunition with projectiles containing an explosive or incendiary device
Ammunition with one or more floors to the release of substances which damage the health of people in the long run
Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive
Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks
Ammunition for handguns with deformation effect
Carrying guns[edit]
To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragbewilligung (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[9] It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.[12]
Conditions for getting a Carrying Permit
There are three conditions:
fulfilling the conditions for a buying permit (see section above)
stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger
passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon
The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. Neither hunters nor game wardens require a carrying permit.[citation needed]
Transporting guns
Guns may be transported in public as long as an appropriate justification is present. This means to transport a gun in public, the following requirements apply:
The ammunition must be separated from the gun, no ammunition in a magazine.
The transport needs to be as direct as possible and needs a valid purpose:
For courses or exercises hosted by marksmanship, hunting or military organisations,
To an army warehouse and back,
To show the gun to a friend or a possible buyer
To and from a holder of a valid arms trade permit,
To and from a specific event, e.g. gun shows.[10]
Switzerland Gun Control:
Regulation
Switzerland's Weapons Law (WG, LArm)[9] and Weapons Act (WV, OArm)[10] has been revised to accede to the Schengen Treaty effective 12 December 2008.
The law is applied to the following weapons:
Firearms, such as pistols, revolvers, rifles, pump guns (Vorderschaftrepetierer), lever-action rifles, self-loading guns (shotguns and rifles);
Air and CO2 guns with muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or if there is risk of confusion with a firearm;
Imitation, alarm gun (Schreckschuss) and soft-air guns when there is risk of confusion with a firearm;
Butterfly knives, throwing knives, knife-handed operation with automatic mechanism with total length greater than 12 cm and blade length greater than 5 cm;
Daggers with symmetrical blade is less than 30 cm;
Devices that are intended to hurt people like rod (Schlagrute), throwing star, brass knuckles, slings with armrest;
all electric shock devices and spray products with irritants in Annex 2 weapons Regulation (WV), except for pepper spray.
A "shooting society " somewhere in Switzerland; people come to such ranges to complete mandatory training with service arms, or to shoot for sport and competition.
Generally prohibited arms are:
Automatic firearms such as machine guns, etc.
Automatic knife when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Butterfly knife when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Throwing knives; regardless of the shape and size
Symmetrical daggers when blade length less than 30 cm
Brass knuckles
Shock rods
Throwing Stars
Skidding with armrest
Stun guns
Weapons that imitate an object of utility as shooting phones, etc.
Acquisition
Buying guns
In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 8 WG). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania (Art. 12, WV). The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:
valid official identification or passport copy
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months
For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (Art. 11 WG):
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component
Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer;
Type and number of official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component
and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.
This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (Art. 9 WG).
Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG):
Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle
By the Federal Council designated hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland
Single-shot rabbit slayer;
Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or may be confused because of their appearance with real firearms
Buying Ammunition
Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Soldiers equipped with the Sig 550 assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed can, to be opened only upon alert and for use while en route to join their unit. This practice was stopped in 2007.[11]
In order to purchase ammunition the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply to buying guns. The buyer can only buy munition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (Art. 15, 16 WG; Art 24 WV):[9][10]
valid official identification or passport (and must be older than 18 and who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and must not be a citizen of the following countries (Art. 12 WV): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania)
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months
weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years
This also applies for weapons which do not require a weapon acquisition permit (see above, excluding the weapon acquisition permit, of course).
This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holder is registered.
The same applies to black powder and modern black powder substitutes for use in firing historical rifles.
A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
The possession of the following munition is generally prohibited:
Ammunition with armor-piercing bullets
Ammunition with projectiles containing an explosive or incendiary device
Ammunition with one or more floors to the release of substances which damage the health of people in the long run
Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive
Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks
Ammunition for handguns with deformation effect
Carrying guns[edit]
To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragbewilligung (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[9] It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.[12]
Conditions for getting a Carrying Permit
There are three conditions:
fulfilling the conditions for a buying permit (see section above)
stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger
passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon
The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. Neither hunters nor game wardens require a carrying permit.[citation needed]
Transporting guns
Guns may be transported in public as long as an appropriate justification is present. This means to transport a gun in public, the following requirements apply:
The ammunition must be separated from the gun, no ammunition in a magazine.
The transport needs to be as direct as possible and needs a valid purpose:
For courses or exercises hosted by marksmanship, hunting or military organisations,
To an army warehouse and back,
To show the gun to a friend or a possible buyer
To and from a holder of a valid arms trade permit,
To and from a specific event, e.g. gun shows.[10]
wadle5
New member
From what I hear he had a glock and a sig sauer AR 15 style assult rifle
Again not anti gun, buy as many machine guns as you want unless you have been investigated for terrorism. I dont care if he wanted to buy a .22 pistol. the guy was being looked at for terrorism. does anyone really support that suspected terrorists should be able to buy guns?
An ar-15 is not an assault rifle, thus is the ensuing confusion that a mass majority of individuals don't understand.
ndcent
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I love a good opportunity to shit on Hillary, this doesn't make sense though.
Zonie Taco
New member
AR15 is a rebranded M16 that comes semi auto and is easily made fully auto. it is designed to kill as many people as possible. it does an even better job than an ak 47. by my standards thats an assult rifle. i know its fun for target shooting and hunting too but its original design purpose was for killing people. i know gun people are very sensitive to the term assult rifle because it puts a negative spin on things. you dont have to bs me. im not trying to take away your assult rifles. in fact i am thinking about buying one myself before they get banned. hell, ive always wanted to mount a m 60 on the back of my tacoma (i live in arizona so not too crazy trust me). im not going to use it for its intended purpose (hopefully), but i know what its made for. everyone knows what its built for.
ben550
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Who do I vote for so that this becomes common practice here at home?
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Bigshankhank
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Out of curiosity, what is an assault rifle?
nevada
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oh damn. thanks for catching that.
ugh, not a machine gun either...From what I hear he had a glock and a sig sauer AR 15 style assult rifle
Again not anti gun, buy as many machine guns as you want unless you have been investigated for terrorism. I dont care if he wanted to buy a .22 pistol. the guy was being looked at for terrorism. does anyone really support that suspected terrorists should be able to buy guns?
just like our government, you don't get to just redefine things based on how you FEEL.
it wasn't an assault rifle. stop calling it that. ive got a semi-automatic .22LR, and there are MANY other semi-auto rifles of various calibers that operate EXACTLY like the weapon that was used, but nobody calls them "assault" rifles. think about that....
nevada
Senior Member
they are select fire, and have full auto capability.
the guns that are used in crimes, and that the majority of people own, all work the same, and that is only one bullet is fired each time the trigger is pulled.
its not an easy conversion. but, even if it was, that in itself is a felony. doesn't matter though, because once you have chosen to murder a room full of people, another felony makes no difference...
Zonie Taco
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this is my weapon this is my gun, this is for killing and this is for fun.
Who cares. its an assult rifle when you assult people with it. any gun can be an assult gun. youre missing the point. dont sell any guns/assult rifles/bazookas/c4 or anything else to terrorist suspects.
Bigshankhank
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And who wrote that definition?
In all honesty, I am not trolling, nor trying to run down a tangent I am just genuinely curious. I admit I would consider the AR as an assault weapon, though its not due to the "big black scary gun" stigma.
