Real World MPG with 5th Gen?

18.7 MPG with combination mileage over 13K initial miles.

I drive pretty hard when i'm on side streets and use cruise control on the freeway whenever possible.


pretty much stock
 
Can I ask why people are using super?

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There is an idea that the Engine Management System can sense the higher octane and adjust the timing to eek out better MPGs. I have not been able to detect improved mileage using 91 over several test tanks. Now it's far more expensive I haven't revisited. There is now a more local place that has 0% ethanol super that I will try when I get a chance. No 93 available here in the West.
 
There is an idea that the Engine Management System can sense the higher octane and adjust the timing to eek out better MPGs. I have not been able to detect improved mileage using 91 over several test tanks. Now it's far more expensive I haven't revisited. There is now a more local place that has 0% ethanol super that I will try when I get a chance. No 93 available here in the West.

It's a little more complex than this.

Ethanol blends actually increase the octane rating of the fuel. This allows the engine to add more timing, but because ethanol contains less chemical energy than the gasoline blend, more fuel must also be added to maintain the proper A/F (adjusted) ratio and keep from bouncing off the knock sensor.

A "flex fuel" vehicle for instance, will get WORSE gas mileage when running E85 than when running E15, however, E85 costs less, so it becomes a complex exercise in math/economics.

Generally speaking, E85 contains about 30% less energy than typical E10 blends, but also costs less (the savings varies wildly depending on availability in your area.)

Compare and contrast this to the issue of 93 vs. 87 (which are both still blended with ethanol in most places across the country) and it gets a little less complex, but bottom line, GENERALLY speaking, higher octane usually just equates to smoother running and the mileage/cost gets washed away (because higher octane usually contains less actual energy).

On my Ford, I have an NGauge computer and I can actually monitor every single signal the car produces. So on my screen I typically show A/F ratio, Spark Advance, Knock Reduction (the amount of timing the engine is pulling out for knock), cylinder head temps, etc.

When running E85, I can produce a good bit more power, but my fuel mileage goes way down (but E-85 is a good bit cheaper than premium).
 
This is a bit dubious.

Is there a demonstration where they took a 4R, filled it with 87, dyno'd it, drained it, filled it with premium and within the SAME time period/conditions dyno'd it and demonstrated a 50 ft-lb increase in torque?

yes
exactly in that order except the moon phases didn't match up
 
Is there an inside joke I'm missing. At this point I'm assuming you were being facetious.

extremely facetious.. but toyota does document that higher octane yields slightly more torque and horsepower for the dual VVT-i 1gr-fe. Not 50lbs/ft but some felt difference.. thanks for your findings as well
 
Used to get like 18 mpg now lucky to see 15. :becky:
 

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Thanks for the info on super--I know about the typical "increase" in MPG but wasn't sure if Toyota's engines' compression/design requires/prefers super.

I put "increase" in quotes because in my area, super (91 or higher; 87 and 89 are considered regular and midgrade) is usually $.40-$.50 more per gallon, or 15% more than regular. I'm getting between 20.5-21.5 MPG and am confident super will not bring me to 23+ MPG, which would be the break-even point.

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I have averaged about 18.3 lifetime (hand calculating most tanks) in my bone stock TRD Pro with ~20k miles on it.

I try to put premium in it whenever possible, midgrade otherwise. Occasionally in expensive states I'll throw pisswater in if I'm just burning highway miles, but I invariably notice that it runs smoother on nicer gas (ditto for ethanol-free, which is fairly common around me).

I know this is all speculative hearsay, but as someone who used to drive and tune forced induction sports cars, I definitely appreciate keeping the ol' 4.0 running as smoothly as possible. I also know I'd get better MPG if my two primary driving styles weren't freeways at 80-90 mph and wheeling with lots of idling and low speed driving. Very grateful I don't have to commute to work.
 
Just turned 3000 miles and added my most recent fuel up.

Yesterday's tank with lift, tires, LFD crossbars, about 75 miles of exploring on windy mountain road that follows the river, 40 miles of pulling a 12' enclosed trailer (empty), and averaged 20.9 mpg. I'm a little shocked as I didn't baby that tank.

It has also been in there 90's all week so running air conditioning most the time.

Lifetime average is 20.8 mpg.

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A bit puzzled and in process of sifting through these MPG threads but..

'18 TRDPro with no mods that would change mileage. Only 600 miles so far and still in the "break-in" period I suppose but have only gotten 13MPG tops on first three tanks. The few miles on this rig have been 90% limited to my 14 miles RT daily commute to work which is half on freeway (sometimes congested but mostly not) half on city streets. I have purposely been extra zen/driving gingerly for first 1k miles. I have sifted through many of these MPG posts/threads and rare to see anyone running a stock Gen5 ORP or Pro rig with mileage this bad.

Also I just came from an '06 Sport and never saw anything south of 15MPG and averaged 17mpg or so for the same trips taken in my new TRD Pro.

Thoughts?

JC
 
2018 TRD Pro bone stock, averaged 19.2mpg on the 145 mile trip on the way home after taking delivery, speed averaged 70mph. Around town over the last 100 miles she's showing 16.6mpg and speeds vary between 25-45mph. So far I am actually kind of impressed as it should improve over time. That said, I am sure I will modify it at some and ultimately reduce those numbers lol.
 
'18 TRDPro with no mods that would change mileage. Only 600 miles so far and still in the "break-in" period I suppose but have only gotten 13MPG tops on first three tanks. The few miles on this rig have been 90% limited to my 14 miles RT daily commute to work which is half on freeway (sometimes congested but mostly not) half on city streets. I have purposely been extra zen/driving gingerly for first 1k miles. I have sifted through many of these MPG posts/threads and rare to see anyone running a stock Gen5 ORP or Pro rig with mileage this bad.

Also I just came from an '06 Sport and never saw anything south of 15MPG and averaged 17mpg or so for the same trips taken in my new TRD Pro.

Thoughts?

JC

Edit - Only other thing I can think of is it's been uncharacteristically hot (upper 80's -mid 90's ) summer here = constant AC on while driving. I know that saps mileage to some degree but again have had hot summers in the past and never saw that low in my '06 sport.
 

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