Rear Axle Seals: The Ultimate Information and Replacement Thread (3rd gen)

Hey Roamed YT, what part of Canada are you from? I need to perform this job and I'm looking for a local machine shop. I'm hoping you're in the Toronto area, thanks!

Unfortunately I'm not! I was born and raised along Lake Ontario though.

I worked at Clarington Toyota in Bowmanville for a few years, if you're east of Ajax I'd suggest them - there's a couple of guys in the shop that I'd let work on my truck if I weren't able to.
 
Unfortunately I'm not! I was born and raised along Lake Ontario though.

I worked at Clarington Toyota in Bowmanville for a few years, if you're east of Ajax I'd suggest them - there's a couple of guys in the shop that I'd let work on my truck if I weren't able to.

Thanks for the response, after reading further in the thread I noticed you were in the Yukon. Now I get the YT :) Man must be nice up there, I just had a buddy from BC move up to Yellowknife and he loves it!

If its not too much trouble I would appreciate the names of the guys you would recommend, thanks!

Dave
 
So I see a lot of guys are choosing to just replace the seals if the bearings are fine. If I chose to do this, since it just started leaking and doesn't seem very bad, what parts would I need just for the one side? And has anybody done this and had success?

If they did, they are likely so cheap and flakey that they wont post it here. Why pay and take the time to do it twice, are you flipping the vehicle for profit? Just fix it right once. You'll spend more in the long run if you skimp. Anything worth doing is worth doing correctly the first time, imo.

My anecdote:

All I did was pull the axle and replace the seal, due to time constraints, in Oct of 2016.

Since then, my runner has driven all over Texas with heavy loads moving our stuff around, and then towed the wife's car on a car carrier + being heavily loaded down with guns and ammo (1500 lbs) from central Texas, to Phoenix, and then up to Denver. Here in Denver it's my DD, and looks like the replaced seal is holding tight.

If it fails, I'll come back and let y'all know.
 
My anecdote:

All I did was pull the axle and replace the seal, due to time constraints, in Oct of 2016.

Since then, my runner has driven all over Texas with heavy loads moving our stuff around, and then towed the wife's car on a car carrier + being heavily loaded down with guns and ammo (1500 lbs) from central Texas, to Phoenix, and then up to Denver. Here in Denver it's my DD, and looks like the replaced seal is holding tight.

If it fails, I'll come back and let y'all know.

I think you're one of the lucky ones who got away with this. Most find they're leaking shortly after doing only the seal. But, one way you can know for sure if you're leaking at all is remove your rear wheels, pull the ABS sensors, turn the axles and see if gear oil is lapped up onto the ABS gear. If you see gear oil, your axle seal is leaking because there should not be any gear oil in this location. Right now, your seal lip is barely riding on the polished shoulder of the inner retainer because of the redesigned seal. Over time with some bearing play, it's going to fail again, but who knows how long you got.
 
Good/Bad Parts??

Did mine today. DIY tool worked well. Thanks to everyone here for providing some much helpful info.
 
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Howdy all,

Anyone happen to know the Nachi or maybe even Koyo part numbers for the 2002 4runner rear bearing with extended race?

I got the Nachi 6308-2NSE from a previous post for the years prior to 2001(?) sans extended race and the price is half of Camelback (~$72) at CNC-Specialty Store($32.50 plus about $10 shipping).

https://cnc-specialty-store.com/bea...led-c3?zenid=93d0f0fd9b2b01a86a86830bb80d9397

The 2002 bearings are ~$52 at Camelback which is nice that they are cheaper but still I'd like to see if I can source this bearing from CNC as well for some $aving$...

Thank you much!
 
I recently had the mechanic, whom I have used quite a bit over the past 6 years for bigger jobs on my vehicles, do this job for me after I ordered all the parts. I clued him into [MENTION=120071]mtbtim[/MENTION] video, made sure he was aware of the grease test, etc. He, seemingly, did a nice job. He even text me picture of the grease test while he was in the process of.

If you're in NE Ohio and need a guy to do the job (he also has a press and is happy to just do thee press work) Tom at Akron Auto Parts and Service knows the routine now.

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I just passed my 2 year anniversary.

Thanks again BigFishAllDay!

My left side seal failed a month after my 4th anniversary. The drum was so locked I couldn't get it off or even drive the car, so I took it to Merv's Auto in Lorton, VA. I still had the left-over, single pair of brake shoes from the last failure, so they used that and did the the single-side job for me for $316, total.

They explained that it looked like I dented the center of the seal hammering it in with a poorly size-matched tool (I was never confident I had done it right).

Lesson learned for me: Use the right tool for the job, or leave it to the pros.
 
Tone ring and collar measurement?

Hello,

The shop pressed on my tone ring and collar (its too deep and does not hit the axle seal now. Can you tell me what the correct measurement is for the tone ring and collar? Thanks!



I noticed last week that my driver’s side rear axle seal had given up the ghost and I started doing my research on how to go about fixing it. Everything that I learn in the process, I will add to this post. I haven’t found a good write-up on this on T4R.org. Most of what I learned came from various write-ups I found on YT, via Google, talking to several mechanics, and now personal experience.

Here’s how you know you’ve got a bad rear axle seal:

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First, I called my mechanic, who I trust and have been dealing with for 10 years, for a quote. I was quoted almost $1200.00 to replace the bearings, retainers, inner and outer seals, brakes, and associated parts on both sides of the rear axle. I decided it was worth my time and effort to try and save some money on the job and add to my tool collection in the process.

A note about rear axle seal failure: First and foremost, it’s extremely common on 3rd generation 4-Runners. Chances are that if you own your 4-Runner long enough, it’s going to happen to you. There are a couple theories as to why the failure of the seals is so common:

1. Toyota rear axle seals were a poor design in their original iteration. Toyota has improved the design of the seal in recent years, so hopefully replacing your old seals with the new design will eliminate this concern. The part number for the new seal ends in “6” and the part number for the old design ends in “1”.

2. The rear axle has a part called a breather plug. It is located on top of the rear axle, near the center, on the driver’s side of the pumpkin. The purpose of the breather plug is to allow for the expansion and contraction of the air and fluid inside the rear axle and differential. When the axle and differential get hot, the air and fluid inside them expands. The resulting pressure must be relieved in some way. The breather plug allows for the relief of this pressure. If the breather plug becomes clogged, the pressure cannot escape through the plug and the next thing to give is the rear axle seals. The breather plug can easily become clogged by mud, dust, dirt, grease, etc. If your rear axle seals have gone out, you need to check your breather plug as well. Simply remove it from the axle using a deep walled socket or open end wrench (12mm or 14mm, I can’t remember), clean it off, and see if you can blow through it. If not, it is plugged and must be replaced or you will continue to experience failure of your rear axle seals. I recently extended my rear differential breather and installed a new breather plug, so I’m sure this was not the cause of my rear axle seal failure. (Note: while you’re at it, search T4R.org for “extend rear differential breather”, as now would be a good time to do that as well.)

3. Wear and tear on the rear wheel bearings leads to rear axle seal failure. As your rear wheel bearings wear over the years, they develop a slight amount of play. This play can be just enough to allow the axle to move up/down and front/back within the axle tube. When the axle moves like this, it crushes the inner axle seal in the direction that it moves. Think of it as if you put your finger (representing the axle) in a ring (representing the inner axle seal), then bounced your finger around within the ring. If you subject your 4-Runner to lots of off-road use, washboard roads, etc. your bearings will probably have some wear on them, especially north of 100K miles. My 4-Runner is just about to roll over 160K and the bearings had quite a bit more play in them than the new ones I got from Toyota.

4. Some have suggested that switching to synthetic gear oil can contribute to seal failure, especially if your 4-Runner has only seen regular petroleum based gear oil during its lifespan. Some refer to the petroleum based gear oil as “Dino Oil”. It is thought that the smaller molecules in the synthetic gear oil can more easily get past the seal, contributing to a leak. Also, petroleum based gear oil often has conditioners in it that may help older seals hold on.

5. Finally, I believe that over time these seals can fail just like any other. The sealing surface is made some sort of plastic/rubber and is subject to heat cycling within the axle. Over time, heat cycling will cause rubber and plastics to shrink and harden, resulting in a failure of the seal.

A note about parts: There are a lot of ways to get discounts on Toyota OEM parts. You can order online from places like Jay Marks (Champion) Toyota, or TRDParts4U. You might know a guy. Everyone has their way. My tip is this: If you need the parts NOW and you have to go to your local Toyota dealer to purchase them, they have two prices on their screen. There is the retail price, which is the first one they will quote you, and the one everyone normally gets. Then there is the “shop price” which they charge independent auto repair shops. The shop price is usually a 20% discount off retail. Your mechanic buys the parts at that price, then sells them to you at retail, making a little cut for himself. If you have a decent sized order, it doesn’t hurt to ask for the shop price. Usually the guy at the parts counter will just give it to you. Easy money in your pocket. On to the part numbers you’ll need.

Part numbers for parts YOU can replace….

1. 90301-88077, O-Ring. This is the o-ring that goes between the backing plate and the axle flange. One per side. $4.43 Retail, I forgot to ask for the shop price when I picked these up.

2. 90310-50006, Seal, Type S Oil. This is the inner rear axle seal that resides inside the axle tube. One per side. $6.68 Retail, I forgot to ask for the shop price when I picked these up.

I got 3 oil seals in case I damaged one during installation, and two o-rings.

Here’s what they look like…..

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Part numbers for parts a MACHINE SHOP has to replace…

1. 90363-40020-77, Bearing. This is the rear wheel bearing. I got this number from the Toyota Parts Dept. for the passenger side. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for both, but you may want to inquire about that. One per side. $85.26 Retail, $68.21 Shop Price (20% discount).

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2. 42423-20010, Retainers. These are metal collars that are pressed onto the axle to retain the Skid Control Rotor. One goes on the inboard side of the Skid Control Rotor, and one on the outboard side. They not only retain the Skid Control Rotor, but they align it on the axle shaft to the proper position so that it does not sit too far inboard/outboard. You need two of these per side. $19.01 Retail, $15.21 Shop Price (20% discount).

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3. 43517-35010, Skid Control Rotor. Some people refer to this as the ABS Ring, ABS Exciter Ring, etc. Toyota calls it a Skid Control Rotor. It looks like a gear, and as the axle rotates, it’s teeth pass by a magnetic sensor (ABS Sensor) to tell your truck’s ABS computer exactly how fast the rear axle is rotating, and therefore how fast the truck is moving. One per side. $52.47 Retail, $41.98 Shop Price (20% discount).

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One would think that the Retainers and the Skid Control Rotor could be re-used, but they can’t. The reason why is that they are apparently very difficult to press OFF the axle, so most shops use a grinding wheel to cut most of the way through them, then cut them off with a chisel.

4. 90520-36045, Snap Ring. This is used to keep things in place on the axle shaft. One per side. $1.89 Retail, $1.51 Shop Price (20% discount).

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The Snap Ring usually gets hacked up in the process of cutting off the other parts, and it’s very cheap, so it gets replaced too.

5. 90313-48001, Outer Shaft Oil Seal. This seal covers a section of the outboard side of the wheel bearing, protecting it from dust and dirt. It is not meant to keep gear oil in the axle, which is the job of the inner seal. One per side. $5.56 Retail, $4.45 Shop Price (20% discount).

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Oil seals are cheap, and are always a good thing to replace while you’re in there simply as preventative maintenance.
 
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Great thread. I am just looking for some clarification. I noticed that my right axle seal was leaking and diff breather seems clogged. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do the job myself juggling family issues.

I called one of local shops here that specialize in Toyota/Lexus. He told me that the bearing needs to be replaced (passenger side) from contamination (fluid being washed away) along with the seal and the seal replaced on drivers side. Total cost $783.

Does that sound correct?

Thank you
 
Great thread. I am just looking for some clarification. I noticed that my right axle seal was leaking and diff breather seems clogged. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do the job myself juggling family issues.

I called one of local shops here that specialize in Toyota/Lexus. He told me that the bearing needs to be replaced (passenger side) from contamination (fluid being washed away) along with the seal and the seal replaced on drivers side. Total cost $783.

Does that sound correct?

Thank you

Thats a little pricey, I hope it includes parts and diff fluid. Keep in mind to address the diff breather valve at the same time otherwise you'll have it leak again. The diff breather mod is easy to do and takes maybe 2 hours.

I followed timmy the toolman's video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCGMa4vng_g
 
Great thread. I am just looking for some clarification. I noticed that my right axle seal was leaking and diff breather seems clogged. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do the job myself juggling family issues.

I called one of local shops here that specialize in Toyota/Lexus. He told me that the bearing needs to be replaced (passenger side) from contamination (fluid being washed away) along with the seal and the seal replaced on drivers side. Total cost $783.

Does that sound correct?

Thank you

That's close to what I was quoted by the dealer. I could not justify that so I repacked the bearing and installed the seal myself only half way in. No leak to date.
 
I thought I'd share my recent findings.

Last year I did the driver's side seal cuz it was leaking out of the drum and splattering around but not as bad as the OP's picture. I went with the cheaper fix of tapping the seal in 3/4 of the way and it has been holding up since.

Yesterday I decided to tackle the passenger side before installing new brakes so that they don't get marinated when it DOES fail. It was not leaking and I did not smell gear oil but I discovered that there was gear oil between the seal and bearing. I popped off the side cover of the bearing and it was containimated with oil and little to no grease. I cleaned and repacked the bearing, replaced the seal, and bled the brakes. All seems good now and I hope it holds up like the driver's side has.

All I needed was the seal, bearing grease, syringe, pick, brake fluid, and basic tools. I may get lucky and this will hold out for a long time but if not, or when the bearing does fail, then I will do it the correct way and replace the bearing/flip the retainer.

99 Limited w/ 170k
 
Thanks for this thread - I just ordered all the parts from Camelback Toyota to do mine as it just took a shit after a HARD week of use in the desert. Have had so many troubles with rear axle seals in these trucks ... one of these days I will have to switch to a full-floating rear setup. Seems destined to have this issue as long as the weight of the vehicle is resting on the bearings and seals.
 
+1,398 and counting... (maybe more!!)

[MENTION=44220]BigFishAllDay[/MENTION] add me to the list of folks that appreciate you for this write up including all part numbers, etc. and thank you. 8+ years and counting and still this thread is worth its weight in gold. I 'unfortunately' just became a beneficiary of this thread and advice as it may appear I lost a seal. For me though the look of things does not exactly appear to be so obvious. There is only a very very slight, almost shadow like, trace of splatter on the tire while the gunk on the inside of the wheel doesn't seem new or wet but instead appears old and gummy. Not thick either. Either way I need to investigate as it looks like this is in my future...
 
Just for anyone wondering, my local dealer charged me $1200 to do the bearings, seals, wheel cylinders, and brake shoes for both sides


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Just for anyone wondering, my local dealer charged me $1200 to do the bearings, seals, wheel cylinders, and brake shoes for both sides


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Ouch. 1 yr or 12,000 miles warranty? You should take to service manager and see if they will do for 2 years.
 
Anyone have the size and thread pitch of the 4 bolts on the back of the hub that hold the axle assembly onto the axle? I'm trying to do this job without the need of the special tool to remove the bearings/retainer/ABS sensor.

These guys:

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