**Rear Coil Spring Discussion - The Perfect 3rd Gen Rear Spring**
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906, 890, and 891 give different amounts of lift. Don't know where you got that idea from but it's inaccurate.
I get that right here from ARB themselves.
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Most people get 2" from 906 and 3-3.5" from 890/891 depending on how much weight they have. It also depends on what year 4Runner and how much the current springs have sagged. 99's will gain less height than a 2002 would.
Devbot
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OME will also tell you the 891s can comfortably handle over 200lbs of extra gear, but anybody using them with an plate bumper will gladly say otherwise.
Also this is probably the first time I've seen anybody say the 881s are for additional weight. Everybody that offers them will advise they're for stock weight. That'd be the 883s instead, which they didn't even bother listing, to boot. Not to mention 890s are taller than 891s, both of which offer more than 2in.
The problem with that chart is it's trying to include ALL the 3rd gens, and they weren't all made equal. For example, Highlanders were 1in taller than every other 3rd gen offered.
Also this is probably the first time I've seen anybody say the 881s are for additional weight. Everybody that offers them will advise they're for stock weight. That'd be the 883s instead, which they didn't even bother listing, to boot. Not to mention 890s are taller than 891s, both of which offer more than 2in.
The problem with that chart is it's trying to include ALL the 3rd gens, and they weren't all made equal. For example, Highlanders were 1in taller than every other 3rd gen offered.
So the heavy constant load 891's can't really handle all that weight? What's the option then?
I was thinking of getting the 890's because I don't carry a constant load, but do often carry passengers with their paragliding gear up logging roads. What would you suggest in this situation?
Also, for the front, would the 881's ride ok without a heavy bumper and winch?
Thanks
Endlessblockades
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881/906 netted me a well-behaved 2.0" and 2.5" without armored ends. That said, I did a completely full seats=down wildfire evac in it and there was no noticeable rear sag. This is a very common 3rd Gen 'Medium' combo with 5100s on lowest perch.
Wrecked - Rebuilt
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So I've had my 210v's on my truck for four months now, so I think I can safely give a fair review. This included three months of daily driving and quick trip to Moab, where I hit Top of The World, Elephant Hill, Fins and Things and White Rim.
If I had the stock bumper/stock weight these would be a serious no-go. They give almost as much lift as the OME 861. I'd wager 5-5.5in at stock weights. With my coastal off road plate bumper i'm sitting right at 4.5in. And fully loaded with my full size spare, recovery gear, spares, camping equipment and 50qt cooler with ice I'm right at 4in. When I add my 4xinnovations swingout I'll be at 3.5in [verified by adding another 200lbs to the truck]. They have not settled more than .25in in 10,000mi
My rear setup for the last 4 months:
-Dobinsons 210v [no spacers or stock bump-stops]
-Tokico LC Shocks [top mounting plate bored out for LC hardware]
-Durobump 5.25in extended bumps
-Eimkeith panhard correction kit
-Extended Brake lines
-Sonoran Steel Sway bar relocation/lift [to clear the e-locker motor]
-Stock sway bar links
-Whiteline control arm/panhard bushings.
-255/85r16 Maxxis
This setup did amazingly well on all of the trails. No issues fully flexing out to the bump stops. The driveshaft only makes the slightest contact on the gas tank skid...only noticed the witness marks when inspecting the truck, never heard it hit.
The ride, for a lifted 24year old truck is surprisingly compliant. And once you have it loaded for the weekend the rear of the truck is genuinely comfortable. I was most impressed with how well the coils held weight under 'moderate speed' runs...40mph off road. The coils held the weight while providing enough up travel that I never had the rear bottom out. However the front bottomed out 3-4 times, I hate that feeling.
The 210v's are here to stay on my truck. However, I don't think these are going to be the 'golden ticket' for low height, high flex coils. For me, these fall under the same category as the OME 861. If you are running a plate bumper with swingout, and load the truck up with people these will be great. However, I'd look somewhere else for a stock weight truck.
If I had the stock bumper/stock weight these would be a serious no-go. They give almost as much lift as the OME 861. I'd wager 5-5.5in at stock weights. With my coastal off road plate bumper i'm sitting right at 4.5in. And fully loaded with my full size spare, recovery gear, spares, camping equipment and 50qt cooler with ice I'm right at 4in. When I add my 4xinnovations swingout I'll be at 3.5in [verified by adding another 200lbs to the truck]. They have not settled more than .25in in 10,000mi
My rear setup for the last 4 months:
-Dobinsons 210v [no spacers or stock bump-stops]
-Tokico LC Shocks [top mounting plate bored out for LC hardware]
-Durobump 5.25in extended bumps
-Eimkeith panhard correction kit
-Extended Brake lines
-Sonoran Steel Sway bar relocation/lift [to clear the e-locker motor]
-Stock sway bar links
-Whiteline control arm/panhard bushings.
-255/85r16 Maxxis
This setup did amazingly well on all of the trails. No issues fully flexing out to the bump stops. The driveshaft only makes the slightest contact on the gas tank skid...only noticed the witness marks when inspecting the truck, never heard it hit.
The ride, for a lifted 24year old truck is surprisingly compliant. And once you have it loaded for the weekend the rear of the truck is genuinely comfortable. I was most impressed with how well the coils held weight under 'moderate speed' runs...40mph off road. The coils held the weight while providing enough up travel that I never had the rear bottom out. However the front bottomed out 3-4 times, I hate that feeling.
The 210v's are here to stay on my truck. However, I don't think these are going to be the 'golden ticket' for low height, high flex coils. For me, these fall under the same category as the OME 861. If you are running a plate bumper with swingout, and load the truck up with people these will be great. However, I'd look somewhere else for a stock weight truck.
Dieselchessy
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890’s took me from 20.5 to 23.5” fender to hub center.
They ride amazingly smooth with no weight.
3 teens in the back and some fishing gear and it sets it down about an inch or so to level and the ride is squishy.
I just put in air bags, so after elk season I’ll have a decent idea how that works for camping gear. So far with 3 psi in the bags and no weight the ride is smooth with just a touch more firmness than without the bags.
Planning to add a bumper with swing out to carry fuel, so expect to need to change springs.
Just doesn’t seem to be a good 3” lift spring that can carry some weight.
They ride amazingly smooth with no weight.
3 teens in the back and some fishing gear and it sets it down about an inch or so to level and the ride is squishy.
I just put in air bags, so after elk season I’ll have a decent idea how that works for camping gear. So far with 3 psi in the bags and no weight the ride is smooth with just a touch more firmness than without the bags.
Planning to add a bumper with swing out to carry fuel, so expect to need to change springs.
Just doesn’t seem to be a good 3” lift spring that can carry some weight.
Suggestions?
I'm so impressed with everyone's builds and I'm hoping you can give me some advice. I have a '99 with the tall coils, now currently sagging in the rear. Here is what the current measurements are (unloaded):
Hub to fender Existing Tall '99 Springs
Front Left 20 3/4"
Front Right 20 1/2"
Rear Left 20 1/2"
Rear Right 20 1/4"
I carry normally about 75 lbs of tools in the back. I have an aluminum roof rack.
For camping, I pull a pop-up with a 400-500 lb tongue weight, with a weight distribution hitch. Plus, I am carrying my wife, two kids, a large dog and about another 100 lbs of gear/food. I'm running 265 70 R17 - brand new KO's on the new 5th Gen black/silver SR5 wheels - looks really good. We will often take rough four wheel drive roads. Not very much rock crawling though.
I'm looking for a moderate lift, maybe 1" over what original tall spring height. I don't really want to get into lowering the front diff, panhard bar, etc due to limited funds for the rig build. I don't think steel plate bumpers are any where in my near future. I like the idea of rear progressive springs to handle the trailer weight better.
Any suggestions on a suspension setup? Thank you!
I'm so impressed with everyone's builds and I'm hoping you can give me some advice. I have a '99 with the tall coils, now currently sagging in the rear. Here is what the current measurements are (unloaded):
Hub to fender Existing Tall '99 Springs
Front Left 20 3/4"
Front Right 20 1/2"
Rear Left 20 1/2"
Rear Right 20 1/4"
I carry normally about 75 lbs of tools in the back. I have an aluminum roof rack.
For camping, I pull a pop-up with a 400-500 lb tongue weight, with a weight distribution hitch. Plus, I am carrying my wife, two kids, a large dog and about another 100 lbs of gear/food. I'm running 265 70 R17 - brand new KO's on the new 5th Gen black/silver SR5 wheels - looks really good. We will often take rough four wheel drive roads. Not very much rock crawling though.
I'm looking for a moderate lift, maybe 1" over what original tall spring height. I don't really want to get into lowering the front diff, panhard bar, etc due to limited funds for the rig build. I don't think steel plate bumpers are any where in my near future. I like the idea of rear progressive springs to handle the trailer weight better.
Any suggestions on a suspension setup? Thank you!
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beklemmung
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If you haven't already seen it, I suggest taking a look at this thread: Absalom's Cookie Cutter 4runner Builds - New and Updated! Read through the whole thing; Absalom added two more build options in post #158 on page #11.
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Devbot
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I too am using 210v+Tokicos and can confirm with no weight the rear is a little bouncy, and I could see how it could get annoying for most, but personally I don't mind it since a rear bumper will be added eventually - on that note, they handle weight incredibly (or at least the 200lbs of gravel I had). One of the very few gambles I'm satisfied with. What side did you put the bigger coil on?
I wouldn't exactly say the 210v are a low lift coil though - they're basically a progressive (and stiffer?) 8 wrap LC coil. Without weight I think I gained about 4in or so, maybe more. Hard to tell when going from clapped to new suspension. But +200lbs made it nearly even with my Tundra front end, maybe 1/2in of rake
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Wrecked - Rebuilt
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I have the taller of the coils on the driver's side. My truck really likes to show it's driver's side lean, so I also have a 1/4in top plate spacer on the driver's side strut.
The one thing I'm always surprised with is how much variance there is between 4runner with the 'same' equipment. With my setup I feel that I'm getting more lift than most. With my 120lb plate bumper, sub, and recovery equipment I'm easily at 4.5in of rear lift. My front is sitting at 3.25in [too tall for my taste]. But I know I'll be able to lower my front suspension to 2.75in once the swingout goes on. I'm not running the centering cones, so maybe it is a result of running whiteline bushings, where there is less binding and the suspension can more freely move? No idea. Maybe I need to take some measurements from my stock 00'
Devbot
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Oh jeez, that does seem a little excessive. Very strange. Solid axle isn't particularly complicated, so if anything I'd think Dobinson sent the wrong coils, but that seems kinda far fetched. Might be worth a shot to take them out for some measurements and compare online, you could try asking them directly but since the springs aren't intended for our vehicles I'm not sure if you'll get much advice
Don't forget to get the tokico retaining washers for the top bushings as well, if you bought from a Toyota dealer like McGeorge. For whatever reason they include the bushings and nuts, but leave out the retaining washers and make no mention of it
Interesting read Absalom has. I always assumed the Old Man Emu coil springs were the best options for the 3rd gen 4runners. But he doesn't even mention them once.
beklemmung
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He mentioned them in the Jack of All Trades build (OME 906 in the rear). A lot of people use 880s or 881s in the front, if they want more lift than 99 talls.
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Has anyone considered looking into a lift coil from the 5th gen? I'm definitely sold on the Dobinsons. But I wanted a little more than the 2" a 137v will give.
I know that just swapping the stock coils from a 5th to a 3rd will net about 1" of lift. But I'm looking for 2.5-3" rear lift. I was looking at the C59-325 or the C59-505.
I'm going to pair them with billy 5100's. I believe the 325's are a 1.5" lift for a 5th gen and the 505's are a 2" both at stock weight. And since the 5 is about 1000 lbs heavier than a third, I would think it would handle the 400ish extra pounds I usually have on board.
I just don't want to worry about dropping a coil anywhere. I've also given some consideration the the 137v's with the 10mm packer. But once again do not want to drop a coil.
For reference I was looking at these shocks at wheelers.
5100 Rear Shock Set for 1996-2002 4Runner (1.5"-3" Lift)
I know that just swapping the stock coils from a 5th to a 3rd will net about 1" of lift. But I'm looking for 2.5-3" rear lift. I was looking at the C59-325 or the C59-505.
I'm going to pair them with billy 5100's. I believe the 325's are a 1.5" lift for a 5th gen and the 505's are a 2" both at stock weight. And since the 5 is about 1000 lbs heavier than a third, I would think it would handle the 400ish extra pounds I usually have on board.
I just don't want to worry about dropping a coil anywhere. I've also given some consideration the the 137v's with the 10mm packer. But once again do not want to drop a coil.
For reference I was looking at these shocks at wheelers.
5100 Rear Shock Set for 1996-2002 4Runner (1.5"-3" Lift)
It's further up in the thread, but a couple people have said that 5th gen rear coils are too wide and don't sit correctly in the coil buckets and can make contact with the frame as the compress/extend.
