Solution for Console Handgun Mount

[Jtwo]

When I'm in the vehicle, sidearm is out of iwb holster and between the seat and console....

When I'm leaving and cannot carry its in the console vault.

I always carry with one in the chamber and carry a Glock 19. I don't want to think about clambering a round when I'm having a massive adrenaline dump in a shitty situation. I have never been in one and I don't plan on being in one. That being said, I have trained plenty, feel comfortable but I don't know how I would respond if I were to end up in a desperate situation.......so less for me to think about the better.
Hopefully, none of us will ever be in a situation where that's the last resort.

 

[K2lip]

Just came across this the other day: http://nrajottogear.gojotto.com/nra-handgun-holster-by-jotto-desk.html

 

[Hoju]

When I'm in the vehicle, sidearm is out of iwb holster and between the seat and console....

When I'm leaving and cannot carry its in the console vault.

I always carry with one in the chamber and carry a Glock 19. I don't want to think about clambering a round when I'm having a massive adrenaline dump in a shitty situation. I have never been in one and I don't plan on being in one. That being said, I have trained plenty, feel comfortable but I don't know how I would respond if I were to end up in a desperate situation.......so less for me to think about the better.
Hopefully, none of us will ever be in a situation where that's the last resort.

Why? This method of thinking is the reason for 1/2 of the senseless national news stories. Why not take it to the next level and continuously hold it out the window with the safety off so that when your adrenaline is pumping you can make an immediate rash decision?:ak472::uzi:

 

[CoastieRon]

[MENTION=7884]Jtwo[/MENTION] definitely prefer your set up. Having to open the center console in a SHTF situation is extra seconds lost that I could have been sending lead down range.

This is a serious question, but for those of you who have their holsters inside of their center console, how do you practice opening the console (left hand open right hand draw, right hand open, left hand draw? What if you're a right handed shooter? What if you're a left handed shooter? Have you thought about if your adrenaline is rushing and you fling your center console open so hard that it shuts back down again?)

Does anyone have a holster mounted outside of their center console? Possible under the steering wheel or next to your right leg where it's a quick draw?

Lastly, it's not like you need retention on holsters as for most of us are civilians and it's not like we're going to be in fights, pursuing "bad guys", running, etc...I just want quick, strong, and reliable. I definitely agree with practice, but let's be real, how many of us shoot rounds out of our windshields lol.

 

[CoastieRon]

Why? This method of thinking is the reason for 1/2 of the senseless national news stories. Why not take it to the next level and continuously hold it out the window with the safety off so that when your adrenaline is pumping you can make an immediate rash decision?:ak472::uzi:

I don't understand your reasoning and how you jump to having your pistol readily available, one in the pipe, "safety off" (in all fairness [MENTION=7884]Jtwo[/MENTION] has a Glock and there is no physical external safety...except the trigger...) and tucked in a holster between his seat and center console to taking it to the next level continuously holding it out of the window? I would still say his pistol is concealed (I'm sure when he leaves the car it's not like he has it there and if [MENTION=7884]Jtwo[/MENTION] does...well...lol).

When your adrenaline is pumping, your adrenaline is pumping and muscle memory kicks in, fine motor skills go out the window, and I won't be rolling my window down to shoot...I'll probably be shooting through my windshield if I absolutely had to.

 

[CoastieRon]

Personally I would keep a defensive weapon in:

Condition 1 (magazine inserted, round in chamber, bolt/slide forward, weapon on safe, hammer down)

With proper training and muscle memory, flipping the safety off while drawing the weapon should be a fluid and natural movement as you bring the barrel on target. My favorite pistol currently is my "Baby Desert Eagle" .40 S&W (basically a re-badged IWI Jericho 941) and popping the safety off is very easy to do as you grip the weapon (mine is unfortunately a slide mounted safety.) All you do is angle the tip of your thumb upwards (the ball of your hand grips the pistol comfortably) as you're grabbing the weapon (so your doing a almost 45* thumbs up) tap the Safety Off and then engage a full grip.

I understand the idea of trying to minimize things that can go wrong, but if you're drilling and training with your weapon(s) frequently then it will become a natural motion as you draw your weapon.

But, again to each their own.

If I'm carrying, I also have a round in the chamber...no time to rack the slide. I have seen videos of Israelis who train with an empty chamber, and they're just as fast as if you were to draw your pistol hot...those were IDF SF guys though...

 

[bloodninja]

The only person in the world who would chastise someone for carrying a round in the chamber is someone who has never actually used their firearm for the protection of themselves or others.
That said, the only person who would carry their firearm with the safety off is someone who doesn't spend nearly enough time training with their firearm.
Along the same line, the same kind of person that has a disdain for BH Serpa holsters either drinks from the cup of opinion of those who practice horrible firearm safety, or they themselves practice horrible firearm safety.

There's no excuse and no substitute for proper practice.

 

[jicko]

When I'm in the vehicle, sidearm is out of iwb holster and between the seat and console....

When I'm leaving and cannot carry its in the console vault.

I always carry with one in the chamber and carry a Glock 19. I don't want to think about clambering a round when I'm having a massive adrenaline dump in a shitty situation. I have never been in one and I don't plan on being in one. That being said, I have trained plenty, feel comfortable but I don't know how I would respond if I were to end up in a desperate situation.......so less for me to think about the better.
Hopefully, none of us will ever be in a situation where that's the last resort.

AND you keep your glock there(like in the picture) "out of the holster" and "have one in the chamber"?!?!?!?!?! (seems to be a disaster waiting to happen...... especially how glocks work! glock's trigger needs to be "protected" at all time...... )

OR you keep on chambering/unloading everytime you are in and out of the vehicle? (and after you unload, do you "drop the hammer/trigger")

:shocked:


Maybe should consider getting a Raven Vanguard2? And learn how to properly holster and unholster it.

 

[CoastieRon]

AND you keep your glock there(like in the picture) "out of the holster" and "have one in the chamber"?!?!?!?!?!

OR you keep on chambering/unloading everytime you are in and out of the vehicle? (and after you unload, do you "drop the hammer/trigger")

:shocked:

[MENTION=119516]jicko[/MENTION] I can't quite tell I thought he had it in a holster that was pushed in between the seats?

I don't know about everyone else, this is just me, but if I'm carrying, my pistol is loaded with a round in the chamber, whether I go in/out of the vehicle, building, etc. If I'm at home, that's a different story.

The only person in the world who would chastise someone for carrying a round in the chamber is someone who has never actually used their firearm for the protection of themselves or others.
That said, the only person who would carry their firearm with the safety off is someone who doesn't spend nearly enough time training with their firearm.
Along the same line, the same kind of person that has a disdain for BH Serpa holsters either drinks from the cup of opinion of those who practice horrible firearm safety, or they themselves practice horrible firearm safety.

There's no excuse and no substitute for proper practice.

[MENTION=126590]bloodninja[/MENTION] I have to respectfully disagree as using Serpa holsters are a personal preference. I've never used Serpa holsters for my duty weapon and I have a Raven Kydex IWB/OWB holster for concealed carry. I'm a firearms instructor and I don't think I practice horrible firearm safety or teach it either.

Except for the Beretta M9 (it has been a long time since I've used the M9), most of the pistols I've used did not have an external safety (duty weapon is Sig 229DAK), and my Glock doesn't have an external safety (unless you consider the trigger) so essentially I don't have a safety "ON" all the time.

 

[bloodninja]

[MENTION=119516]jicko[/MENTION] I can't quite tell I thought he had it in a holster that was pushed in between the seats?

I don't know about everyone else, this is just me, but if I'm carrying, my pistol is loaded with a round in the chamber, whether I go in/out of the vehicle, building, etc. If I'm at home, that's a different story.



[MENTION=126590]bloodninja[/MENTION] I have to respectfully disagree as using Serpa holsters are a personal preference. I've never used Serpa holsters for my duty weapon and I have a Raven Kydex IWB/OWB holster for concealed carry. I'm a firearms instructor and I don't think I practice horrible firearm safety or teach it either.

Except for the Beretta M9 (it has been a long time since I've used the M9), most of the pistols I've used did not have an external safety (duty weapon is Sig 229DAK), and my Glock doesn't have an external safety (unless you consider the trigger) so essentially I don't have a safety "ON" all the time.

I carry a Glock as a duty weapon and a Glock off duty as well. I've used BH Serpa holsters (level 3 on duty, CQC off duty), and have never seen or heard of anyone I know that's ever had a single issue with them.
I would like to distinguish between having a safety and disengaging it, vs having a trigger safety (Glock). Being given safety equipment and then not using it is completely illogical. It would be the equivalent of having a level 3 holster and always carrying it at a level 2. What's the point? It takes no distinguishable difference in time to draw from a level 2 as a level 3, with enough practice. Even a level 3 vs plain kydex holster based solely on friction retention can take the same time to draw, if you practice enough.

 

[CoastieRon]

I carry a Glock as a duty weapon and a Glock off duty as well. I've used BH Serpa holsters (level 3 on duty, CQC off duty), and have never seen or heard of anyone I know that's ever had a single issue with them.
I would like to distinguish between having a safety and disengaging it, vs having a trigger safety (Glock). Being given safety equipment and then not using it is completely illogical. It would be the equivalent of having a level 3 holster and always carrying it at a level 2. What's the point? It takes no distinguishable difference in time to draw from a level 2 as a level 3, with enough practice. Even a level 3 vs plain kydex holster based solely on friction retention can take the same time to draw, if you practice enough.

[MENTION=126590]bloodninja[/MENTION] definitely agree about training enough, but most people on this forum are civilians and the need/mindset is different. I understand your argument about being given equipment, but what if Joe civilian were to purchase something? Does he NEED level 3? Probably not.

They also make other level 3 retention holsters that don't have Serpa either...regardless, you're right in the fact that training is key. You think Instructor Zero was born to shoot so awesome?

It's not that people have issues with Serpa, as it's natural for your index finger to end up at the release point, just like a thumb break and your thumb. I just think it's personal preference as some prefer different types of retention vs. Serpa (that's all lol).

 

[bloodninja]

[MENTION=126590]bloodninja[/MENTION] definitely agree about training enough, but most people on this forum are civilians and the need/mindset is different. I understand your argument about being given equipment, but what if Joe civilian were to purchase something? Does he NEED level 3? Probably not.

They also make other level 3 retention holsters that don't have Serpa either...regardless, you're right in the fact that training is key. You think Instructor Zero was born to shoot so awesome?

It's not that people have issues with Serpa, as it's natural for your index finger to end up at the release point, just like a thumb break and your thumb. I just think it's personal preference as some prefer different types of retention vs. Serpa (that's all lol).

Agreed.

 

[jwkilgore]

Lots of people were taught on old SA revolvers or old 1911 style pistols with no pin-block safeties. With my dad's old revolver you could fire it by just tapping the hammer with something hard; same with old 1911's. The strongly enforced lessons to NEVER EVER NEVER EVER keep a round in the chamber or under the hammer are hard to overcome.

But with modern firearms with firing-pin blocks, as long as you keep it in a proper holster, an accidental discharge is virtually impossible. You have to physically pull the trigger, which is why you keep it in a holster... to keep something else from hitting the trigger accidentally.

All my firearms are carried with a round in the chamber, or under the hammer with my little 5-shot revolver. Most don't even have a thumb safety. My wife's PK380 does have a safety, but it's DA and carried with the safety on "fire" and the hammer down (condition 2).

 

[jicko]

[MENTION=119516]jicko[/MENTION] I can't quite tell I thought he had it in a holster that was pushed in between the seats?

When I'm in the vehicle, sidearm is out of iwb holster and between the seat and console....

This is VERY scary..... especially for a Glock! No one should really leave a HOT Glock unsecured with exposed trigger.

 

[ECBMCC]

Guys, anyone conceal a S&W 686+ 2.5 or 3 inch barrel under the driver's seat or center console? If so, would you share what you did? Thanks so much. Cheers!

 

[Wingman707]

Cocked and Locked

Lots of people were taught on old SA revolvers or old 1911 style pistols with no pin-block safeties. With my dad's old revolver you could fire it by just tapping the hammer with something hard; same with old 1911's. The strongly enforced lessons to NEVER EVER NEVER EVER keep a round in the chamber or under the hammer are hard to overcome.

But with modern firearms with firing-pin blocks, as long as you keep it in a proper holster, an accidental discharge is virtually impossible. You have to physically pull the trigger, which is why you keep it in a holster... to keep something else from hitting the trigger accidentally.

All my firearms are carried with a round in the chamber, or under the hammer with my little 5-shot revolver. Most don't even have a thumb safety. My wife's PK380 does have a safety, but it's DA and carried with the safety on "fire" and the hammer down (condition 2).

I can agree with you for the most part. The 1911 was never designed to be carried hammer down, ever. It is a single action intended to be carried cocked and locked. Having to engage the grip safety and thumb safety to make the gun function is just the beginning of the safety protocol. I have witnessed 2 NDs on the range by 1911 shooters that did not know the function of that particular fire arm. Scary to de-cock a 1911 to make it safer. No such thing.
I love how many people on T4R are into responsible gun owning.

 

[nevada]

I carry a Glock as a duty weapon and a Glock off duty as well. I've used BH Serpa holsters (level 3 on duty, CQC off duty), and have never seen or heard of anyone I know that's ever had a single issue with them.
I would like to distinguish between having a safety and disengaging it, vs having a trigger safety (Glock). Being given safety equipment and then not using it is completely illogical. It would be the equivalent of having a level 3 holster and always carrying it at a level 2. What's the point? It takes no distinguishable difference in time to draw from a level 2 as a level 3, with enough practice. Even a level 3 vs plain kydex holster based solely on friction retention can take the same time to draw, if you practice enough.

so your stance is that a glock, that has an internal safety and cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled is fine?

but that any other firearm, that ALSO cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled, but that also provides an external safety, is NOT fine unless the safety is used?
am I understanding you correctly?

 

[bloodninja]

so your stance is that a glock, that has an internal safety and cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled is fine?

but that any other firearm, that ALSO cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled, but that also provides an external safety, is NOT fine unless the safety is used?
am I understanding you correctly?

I'm not critiquing the lack of an external safety or implying a Glock is safer than any other firearm. What I AM critiquing is "Being given safety equipment and then not using it [which] is completely illogical"

Glock doesn't leave you with a choice. Many other firearm manufacturers DO give you a choice. Never using your safety because you think it's going to cost you valuable time is absurd.

To further clarify: Making excuses for a lack of practice is ridiculous.

To more clearly clarify the clarification: If my Glock had an external safety, I would be using that as well.

 

[nevada]

I'm not critiquing the lack of an external safety or implying a Glock is safer than any other firearm. What I AM critiquing is "Being given safety equipment and then not using it [which] is completely illogical"

Glock doesn't leave you with a choice. Many other firearm manufacturers DO give you a choice. Never using your safety because you think it's going to cost you valuable time is absurd.

To further clarify: Making excuses for a lack of practice is ridiculous.

To more clearly clarify the clarification: If my Glock had an external safety, I would be using that as well.

I can convert mine to NOT have an external safety using all factory parts, that would be OK then?


or you could buy a pistol that DOES have an external safety.

there are many pistols sold that don't have any external safety.
its funny, coming from you(a glock fan?) promoting a safety, and the use of it, yet you yourself own one of said pistols that come without one.

 

[bloodninja]

I can convert mine to NOT have an external safety using all factory parts, that would be OK then?


or you could buy a pistol that DOES have an external safety.

there are many pistols sold that don't have any external safety.
its funny, coming from you(a glock fan?) promoting a safety, and the use of it, yet you yourself own one of said pistols that come without one.

You buy whatever makes you happy. I wouldn't call myself a "Glock fan". They're dirt cheap for me to buy, very easy to clean and maintain, and I've never once had a FTF or FTE in many thousands of rounds fired. That's a good enough track record for me to continue buying them.

Again, I do not care about the fact that some guns do and do not have an external safety. The point I've stated repeatedly is that if you've been given a firearm that has safety devices and you choose to not use them, it's a foolish thing to do, unless you have a very good reason for it that cannot possibly be overcome with training and experience.

Yes, I could have spent $900 on a Sig Sauer, but at the end of the day, $400 out of the door for a brand new Glock Gen 4 makes much, much more sense for me.