Wingman707
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Shooting Solutions
I think those are great questions where the answers will differ. First and for most, we are driving an SUV. Capable of plowing or pushing traffic out of the way to avoid a deadly threat. Taking a closer look at that alone, situational awareness is probably more defensive than a firearm no matter where you keep it and the condition you chose to keep it in. For example, leaving enough space to evade an ambush at a stop light etc. Depending on your state and county laws, it becomes questionable to what "concealed" means. The last thing I would want to do is alert an officer having a plain sight firearm. Even if it is tucked away out of sight (under seat, steering wheel etc.) it is still possible for a Peace Officer to view it standing at your window.
The last place I would conceal a firearm or any of it's parts would be the same location you would need to go to issue your credentials to a Peace Officer. I have two thoughts on guns and cops.
1. Lawful CCW in California are not obligated to tell or show any peace officer that they are lawfully concealing a firearm. Further more I would not allow any peace officer any access upon their request to SEARCH my vehicle unless they have probable cause. (firearm sitting in plain view)
2. As a law abiding citizen with the privilege to carry concealed in California, I choose to allow the Peace Officer to know that I carry by issuing my permit with my drivers license. (this is not necessary but a respectful choice.)
If I am asked if I am carrying a firearm I respond yes with ZERO movement. No gestures where it is, no pointing, just 10 and 2.
If a Peace Officer wants to see it or where it is located I ALLOW THEM TO SEARCH ME OR MY VEHICLE. Not me drawing back my jacket or shirt or digging in my console to show them. These guys don't know who we are or what we are doing. I just let them do their job so we can both move on.
To answer your question re: to how to mount, conceal, secure. There are a bunch of ways you can do so. I like the console because it is out of plain view. My credentials and registration are in the glove box away from plain view. I like the similar draw stroke of it being mounted on the left side of the middle console for a right hand draw.
If you are left handed, you are going to die sooner than us righties any way so whats the difference? KIDDING! Just like anything else, it takes TRAINING. Practice a right handed retention for a right and left sided vehicle attack. In the last 3 advanced handgun classes, the school trained almost 60% of the class shooting from your support side. The driver side is one of the hardest shooting positions as a left handed shooter. You do the body mechanics either mentally or physically to see how that works for you. (please practice in your garage like a good boy with an UNLOADED firearm.) Obviously, or not, a firearm is your last resort to preserve your life. Not your first.
Believe it or not, the biggest obstacle in your vehicle are, your passengers, by standards out side of your vehicle, and yes, your steering wheel. If you plan on drawing right hand, understand what your body is doing with the equipment that surrounds you. That goes for door handles of all kinds, glass, car doors that don't stay open because of the angle of your vehicle. One thing I have learned is that there are no perfect shooting positions, stances or grips. If you are using a firearm to presumably save your life, the $#*T has hit the fan in a way you could NEVER plan in your life particularly on a static range.
To answer your last question regards to pistol retention. I am a firm believer of some kind of retention that will hold up to running, wrestling, concealing....A holster that I can have an efficient draw stroke that can be returned to holster with ease. Level 3 holsters suck for civilians. For officers it is added protection from less than polite contacts.
Check out: Blade-tech single retention Kydex, G-Code holsters, and my favorite Incog, Comp-tech, NO PANCAKE HOLSTERS. nylon with no retention, leather with out form retention.......
Gosh, I hope you guys are on the same page as me. I might have to clear my mailbox of hate mail.
I think those are great questions where the answers will differ. First and for most, we are driving an SUV. Capable of plowing or pushing traffic out of the way to avoid a deadly threat. Taking a closer look at that alone, situational awareness is probably more defensive than a firearm no matter where you keep it and the condition you chose to keep it in. For example, leaving enough space to evade an ambush at a stop light etc. Depending on your state and county laws, it becomes questionable to what "concealed" means. The last thing I would want to do is alert an officer having a plain sight firearm. Even if it is tucked away out of sight (under seat, steering wheel etc.) it is still possible for a Peace Officer to view it standing at your window.
The last place I would conceal a firearm or any of it's parts would be the same location you would need to go to issue your credentials to a Peace Officer. I have two thoughts on guns and cops.
1. Lawful CCW in California are not obligated to tell or show any peace officer that they are lawfully concealing a firearm. Further more I would not allow any peace officer any access upon their request to SEARCH my vehicle unless they have probable cause. (firearm sitting in plain view)
2. As a law abiding citizen with the privilege to carry concealed in California, I choose to allow the Peace Officer to know that I carry by issuing my permit with my drivers license. (this is not necessary but a respectful choice.)
If I am asked if I am carrying a firearm I respond yes with ZERO movement. No gestures where it is, no pointing, just 10 and 2.
If a Peace Officer wants to see it or where it is located I ALLOW THEM TO SEARCH ME OR MY VEHICLE. Not me drawing back my jacket or shirt or digging in my console to show them. These guys don't know who we are or what we are doing. I just let them do their job so we can both move on.
To answer your question re: to how to mount, conceal, secure. There are a bunch of ways you can do so. I like the console because it is out of plain view. My credentials and registration are in the glove box away from plain view. I like the similar draw stroke of it being mounted on the left side of the middle console for a right hand draw.
If you are left handed, you are going to die sooner than us righties any way so whats the difference? KIDDING! Just like anything else, it takes TRAINING. Practice a right handed retention for a right and left sided vehicle attack. In the last 3 advanced handgun classes, the school trained almost 60% of the class shooting from your support side. The driver side is one of the hardest shooting positions as a left handed shooter. You do the body mechanics either mentally or physically to see how that works for you. (please practice in your garage like a good boy with an UNLOADED firearm.) Obviously, or not, a firearm is your last resort to preserve your life. Not your first.
Believe it or not, the biggest obstacle in your vehicle are, your passengers, by standards out side of your vehicle, and yes, your steering wheel. If you plan on drawing right hand, understand what your body is doing with the equipment that surrounds you. That goes for door handles of all kinds, glass, car doors that don't stay open because of the angle of your vehicle. One thing I have learned is that there are no perfect shooting positions, stances or grips. If you are using a firearm to presumably save your life, the $#*T has hit the fan in a way you could NEVER plan in your life particularly on a static range.
To answer your last question regards to pistol retention. I am a firm believer of some kind of retention that will hold up to running, wrestling, concealing....A holster that I can have an efficient draw stroke that can be returned to holster with ease. Level 3 holsters suck for civilians. For officers it is added protection from less than polite contacts.
Check out: Blade-tech single retention Kydex, G-Code holsters, and my favorite Incog, Comp-tech, NO PANCAKE HOLSTERS. nylon with no retention, leather with out form retention.......
Gosh, I hope you guys are on the same page as me. I might have to clear my mailbox of hate mail.
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