Survey For Bushwhacker Flares They are trying now

I think I agree with this.

As much as I'd like flares, I would prefer going to a company who gives a shit about a large potential customer base.

I don't think the problem is that they don't give a shit, I think the problem is that the 4th gen is old news and they're busy designing flares for models that would buy more flares.

The fact that they responded happily to our overwhelming bombardment of emails and facebook posts and created this survey to gauge potential makes me think someone cares. My guess is that once they had the surveys they realized they were getting a ton of interest from the same 23 guys because there were a lot more FB posts and emails than surveys completed.

The production is further hindered by the fact that we didn't have our minds made up on what kind of flares, so they got 13 guys that will buy cut out flares and 8 guys who don't wanna cut and 2 who want thicker stock flares. That drops their potential sales numbers even lower.

But then again telling a manufacturer they don't give a shit about us, after having a rep do this footwork to try to get us in, seems like a great way to inspire other companies to offer 4th gen products based on our input. ::thumb:
 
I don't think the problem is that they don't give a shit, I think the problem is that the 4th gen is old news and they're busy designing flares for models that would buy more flares.

The fact that they responded happily to our overwhelming bombardment of emails and facebook posts and created this survey to gauge potential makes me think someone cares. My guess is that once they had the surveys they realized they were getting a ton of interest from the same 23 guys because there were a lot more FB posts and emails than surveys completed.

The production is further hindered by the fact that we didn't have our minds made up on what kind of flares, so they got 13 guys that will buy cut out flares and 8 guys who don't wanna cut and 2 who want thicker stock flares. That drops their potential sales numbers even lower.

But then again telling a manufacturer they don't give a shit about us, after having a rep do this footwork to try to get us in, seems like a great way to inspire other companies to offer 4th gen products based on our input. ::thumb:


Not that I want to fight with you about a product that don't exist, but...

If you were even close to accurate, they would have responded to my several requests to see the survey results. Furthermore a BW rep posted that there was "a lot" of interest in the survey I would suspect that is more than 23.

Point remains the same, even If the 4th gens are old news to them, where are they at with the 5th gen 5 years in production?

I will tell you (because I asked them)....."not even on the drawing board". They simply do not cater to the Toyota market. The number one in US sales for 11 out of the last 13 years. They simply would not let a Big-3 vehicle come out without jumping one it.

So yes, there is a rep that cares, but In the end of the day, BW has a big middle finger up at Toyota owners. The last time they released a 4runner flair was 1997 for the 3rd gen. Should tell you something.

4th gen 4runner us sales. 585,707. And only 23 potential customers.


I do get what you are saying, and I know you were not saying that the sample group was only 23, but I was just trying to make a point. The big three don't have to push like this, they have ignored two generations of 4x4 vehicles, and they have one poor guy there that don't hate Toyota and has tried, but even with him pulling for us, BW has ZERO interest in supporting import junk.

FWIW I was born, raised, and went to college near BW and I do know the way people there view Toyotas. There is a hand full of enthusiasts and then EVERYONE else.
 
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4th gen 4runner us sales. 585,707.
I really don't care to argue about this either, but I personally have gotten the impression from all the threads here that even the members here aren't all that interested. There are some of us that are very interested, but the overall impression that I've taken from the threads is that the community as a whole is not.

And how many of those 585,707 do you think were exposed to that survey? And how many will be used off road? Or do you think that 85%, like I see around town (and every other town I visit) will be driven by moms and sororstitutes who don't know what flares are?

I'd like to have some flares as much or more than most around here, but I don't think bad mouthing the company in this thread is conducive to getting the ball rolling on production of anything.

Also what makes you think they're going to share their survey numbers with you just because you asked? As far as I know it's not common for businesses to make their research numbers publicly available for others to see and build a product based off of.
 
I really don't care to argue about this either, but I personally have gotten the impression from all the threads here that even the members here aren't all that interested. There are some of us that are very interested, but the overall impression that I've taken from the threads is that the community as a whole is not.

And how many of those 585,707 do you think were exposed to that survey? And how many will be used off road? Or do you think that 85%, like I see around town (and every other town I visit) will be driven by moms and sororstitutes who don't know what flares are?

I'd like to have some flares as much or more than most around here, but I don't think bad mouthing the company in this thread is conducive to getting the ball rolling on production of anything.

Also what makes you think they're going to share their survey numbers with you just because you asked? As far as I know it's not common for businesses to make their research numbers publicly available for others to see and build a product based off of.

Agreed that more than 90% of the 4runners sold are not going to be perspective customers, or even 95%. But that's still 29,285 potential customers @ only 5%. Heck even @ 1% would be nearly 6000 sets....

I don't care if they share the numbers or not, they asked for our input and said they would let us know if there was enough interest. They have not even done that, so I point blank asked...I did not get a no, or we don't share that, I got nothing..

As far as bad mouthing them not helping us get flares...... In case you missed it above, if they came out with flares tomorrow, I would not buy them based solely on how I feel about their company, and for the record it has only been one single employee that has tried to help and field question. If it was his company, sure, I would buy a set... But its not, and for what it's worth, I appreciate the guy that helped, but in the end BW has no interest in Toyotas as long as they keep there big 3 customers. I even got a reply from them saying that politely in as few words.

But this is just my opinion, you and zopperman do not have to agree, I started this thread when I felt differently about BW....... But a guy can only have so much brand loyalty to a company that makes nothing for them.


Don't worry, if they were on the fence about making them....my one set is not going to be enough to sway them away from it.

There was a time when I was a huge BW fan, and I have had them on 3 of my past vehicles, but the stance they have taken with 4runners will insure I personally will never buy another product from them. I just don't like being strung along, and left in the dark.

Sorry so lengthy. I get bored and then I start to ramble like this about something that's really not important.


I hope we can all still be friends.... I ain't mad, just bored and chatty. :boxing:
 
I hesitate to vote or comment on this because in all honestly, I have no desire for any of them. t4r's already have some fairly large fender flares. As it is, people are buying wheel spacers or new wheels with less offset to compensate for the large factory flares.

The only set I could see buying would be the "Cut Out Pocket flares" and only if I decided to run some really large tires and didn't want to go crazy with lift heights and body lifts.

The cut out flares they did for the Grand Cherokee WJ's are pretty sweet.

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Just my $.02
 
I hesitate to vote or comment on this because in all honestly, I have no desire for any of them. t4r's already have some fairly large fender flares. As it is, people are buying wheel spacers or new wheels with less offset to compensate for the large factory flares.



The only set I could see buying would be the "Cut Out Pocket flares" and only if I decided to run some really large tires and didn't want to go crazy with lift heights and body lifts.



The cut out flares they did for the Grand Cherokee WJ's are pretty sweet.



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Just my $.02


I wonder if those would fit...?
 
Or get glassworks for $375 and say FU to supporting a company who doesn't want to cater to the import trucks.

I'd rather get these than pay BW
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I was interested in them when I first decided on flares, but waiting 12 years for flares for a discontinued generation is ridiculous.
 
Voted for cut fender flares, not looking for more stock looking fender flares.

I like the cut out fllares best myself, but I voted pocket flares simply because I was trying to give this the best chance of working. Not many people are going to be willing to take a cutoff wheel to the OEM fenders to install the cutout flares. IMO most people are going to want bolt on replacements, so I voted Pocket flares just to try to make it more likely the flares would get enough votes to be made.

I cannot imagine there are more than a dozen people who are willing to cut, drill, and bend their fender to get flares on it... So I figure those dozens votes would be best used to help the larger non cutting community.

But alas, that survey is from 8-10 months ago. BW is done intertaining us, no flares for 4th gen, no flares for the 5 year old 5th gen..
 
I like the cut out fllares best myself, but I voted pocket flares simply because I was trying to give this the best chance of working. Not many people are going to be willing to take a cutoff wheel to the OEM fenders to install the cutout flares. IMO most people are going to want bolt on replacements, so I voted Pocket flares just to try to make it more likely the flares would get enough votes to be made.



I cannot imagine there are more than a dozen people who are willing to cut, drill, and bend their fender to get flares on it... So I figure those dozens votes would be best used to help the larger non cutting community.



But alas, that survey is from 8-10 months ago. BW is done intertaining us, no flares for 4th gen, no flares for the 5 year old 5th gen..


I'm just gonna do this.

Cut my fenders back an inch or so.
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F*** Bushwhacker
 
Or get glassworks for $375 and say FU to supporting a company who doesn't want to cater to the import trucks.

I'd rather get these than pay BW
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I was interested in them when I first decided on flares, but waiting 12 years for flares for a discontinued generation is ridiculous.

Is there a picture of the flares with a shrockworks bumper?
 

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