Takata bankrupt now what

[Throwback]

I had no idea this was an issue. My 4Runner is my main family vehicle with my wife full time in the passenger seat. This makes me want to get rid of it.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

No. The vehicles have exploding airbags. It is not extreme to ask for a rental. Toyota is actively giving folks rentals because people have died as a result of their products. But, you are partially right; there are no guarantees the next vehicle's airbag won't go off like a hand grenade in your face in a fender bender.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but airbags are specifically designed to explode.

I believe what you're going for is "the vehicles have a small chance to have the airbags detonate in an uncontrolled manner due to variations such as humidity and age of the propellant, the resulting uncontrolled detonation could rupture casings."

Still Toyota's responsibility. Manufacturer is still responsible for all suppler parts. Unless Toyota goes bankrupt you should expect them to be replaced on the current schedule.

How many vehicles don't use these style of airbags? There's some "hybrid" units out there, but for the most part it seems that while Takata is the big name being pinned with using this style of inflator; there's one or two smaller airbag companies recalling theirs (albeit in much quieter manner thanks to Takata's overshadowing image) as well for similar issues. This isn't new technology, it's been this way for a while from what I understand. Even the first airbag vehicles stated in their owner's manual that airbags would need service/replacement after a specified time.

My gut feeling and the feeling of a lot of people I've talked to at various levels of involvement in this ordeal seems to be that once this gets sorted with Takata, we as consumers will see a service interval for SRS components like anything else, simply by design. Actually if you really want to get your panties in a bunch, all the airbag units being replaced? Well they're probably going to need to be done all over again down the line from what I understand. From what I have heard from Honda Techs and some stuff here and there all these units we're replacing them with? They'll all expeience the same degradation that we see now, in fact in the case of the Corollas, Tundras, Sequoias it's already been done. I guess Toyota didn't like the units they put in the first time?

The main point I am making here is that holding Toyota, or Ford, or Honda, or anyone else liable is not entirely unreasonable. But, at the same time while they are in control of their supply lines to a degree; this seems to be an issue where a certain technology was thought to be good enough and now it seems that said technology is not so great and there may need to be a restructuring of the industry to accommodate that change. Toyota, Ford, Honda, ect. specifies a part and the Supplier (Takata being the main culprit here) provides a part that meets that specification. So if there is a parts failure, a large majority of responsibility falls on the Supplier in this case. From what I have seen, the earlier reports came from older vehicles, which makes me wonder if there was an "expected lifetime" for these SRS components and now that we're finding out they not only do not meet that arbitrary goal but higher humidity can increase the rate of degradation the manufacturers have had to re-evaluate every unit used and determine which ones are at risk.

I had no idea this was an issue. My 4Runner is my main family vehicle with my wife full time in the passenger seat. This makes me want to get rid of it.

Why? The vehicle is not anymore unsafe than it was when manufactured. If your vehicle is covered under the future campaign you should have been or will be issued a letter explaining that it will be rolled out in phases based on the probability of failure. The airbags aren't bad out of the box, they need time and humidity to creep towards a point where failure can occur, (if you bought a 216 or 2017 model that was included in your paperwork which you signed) which is why the airbags are being done in phases based on highest humidity.

Look it's up to you, if you think your car's going to just explode in a ball of fire then get rid of it and buy a Ford Explorer that slowly chokes you to death with Carbon Monoxide poisoning or a Chrysler Hybrid Minivan that has "loss of power" issues when driving or any of the other manufacturers dealing with airbag issues.

But I encourage you and everyone else in this thread to sit down and read the history of these devices, their design, their construction, the safety issue presented with Takata's units and so on before you just jump on the "Share this Facebook" story bandwagon.

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Let me posit this, I work as a technician; I handle these airbag inflators on a near daily basis. Sure we have a "cage" to put them in when we take the inflators out of the airbags, but there's a good minute or two where I'm holding the unit in my hands as I walk over to the cage. IF all these affected units were THAT unstable and THAT dangerous I can almost guarantee you that Toyota would not let us even walk from the vehicle with them in our hands let alone approach a vehicle without a Special Service Tool "Bomb Suit". Considering the stuff we have to go through when working on hybrid systems, I don't see Toyota being flippant and wanting the liability of their technicians being blown to bits if they were truly that dangerous.

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In regards to Takata filing for bankruptcy. I'm surprised it took this long, given the scope and extent of this industry-wide issue I figured they'd have gone under by now. I genuinely believe the only reason they haven't been closed down yet is because while there are other manufacturers of airbag units, Takata is one of the biggest and while their competitors could take over for them going forward, they'd be hard pressed to ramp up production (after they design new units to produce) to meet the demands of all the manufacturers needing recall AND new production parts.

 

[wfo9]

So much misinformation here... First off, if the airbag was in the driver side I would feel much better about it. That may seem odd to some, but at least then.. it would be me vs my my passenger at risk. I would take the risk, I will not make others take it.

I'm left with no choice at this point but to sell the truck, park it, not allow passengers, warn each one of the risk when they get in. It's far from ideal and Toyota could resolve this for me if they gave two shits.

As far as those with a bag not yet recalled. It's fine. Don't freak until it is actually recalled. Mine is, but the info has been so misunderstood and communicated so poorly that nobody seem to know for sure. Nobody knows when a fix is coming (even before the takata bankruptcy). The communication at Toyota and the dealers the worst thing I have ever experienced in terms of a safety recall.

As far as cars without airbags back in the 90s.. This is totally different scenario. It's a bomb known to potentially put metal in the passengers face. So a minor accident could kill the passenger. So you get to make a choice (once the airbag is in the recall period) Risk a minor accident, risk a major accident, sell the truck, park the truck, don't allow passengers. Is this a choice a customer should have to make after 5 years of ownership. F that. Toyota sucks. Really they do. I own 4 other brands and none of them have any airbag issues and those that have had safety recalls were all quick and simple.

As far as handling the airbags in service.. It is irrelevant. They are not unstable at all. They are only overcharged when detonated by the trigger.

All airbags have a shelf life in theory. The issue here is that instead of failing... is they over detonate and have the potential to kill/mame vs just not working.. Maybe the NTSB got it all wrong. IDK, but I'm not in a position to second guess their conclusions. There is alternative technology that will not degrade in a similar way as these do and have been in use for a long time.

It may be all hype for nothing... Either way it sucks to own a 4runner in the south coastal areas. Maybe they will end up getting parts an all this guessing is for nothing. Right now I'm guessing we are looking at a few more years before an airbag is replaced in a 5th gen, but I really hope that is not the case. All we can do is wait and see.

If someone knows of one actually being replaced under the recall vs being promised... Please post up.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

@wfo9

I would argue that Toyota is doing something, the backlog of parts is large. Keep in mind Toyota has to get their airbags from Takata, who's having trouble keeping up with their normal production on top of their recall crap for everyone included.

The reason they're doing phases is because of parts availability, they don't issue a recall or push a recall to "correction" stage until they've amassed a certain number of parts. They want to have a stock of parts on hand for a recall rather than being in a position where they've run out. Unfortunately it seems the "running out" part still happens.

My comment regarding the 90's era vehicles was in regards to when airbags were becoming standard and some manuals pointed out that they would need to be serviced in regards to the future probably moving towards a service interval for them in the future after this is all taken care of.

You wouldn't know they weren't unstable given how people think they're just going to randomly explode like some sort of claymore simply because it has "Takata" on it. But you're right there's a TON of misinformation and hysteria and people who don't read the facts properly and it gets annoying to no end. As for it being irrelevant for service, I beg to differ. Toyota (actually not just Toyota) makes it clear that "static discharge" is enough to set off an inflator. It only takes about 1 or 2 AA batteries in line to set off an airbag unit. Now I doubt that will ever really happen as they're designed with fairly robust failsafes (self-shorting connectors, ect.), but there is some information in the books and the literature that basically says banging them around could make them go off; additionally in one Prius airbag recall they want you to let the vehicle "cool off" before playing with the side-curtain airbags because they could detonate? (had to read that a couple times and I still am not sure if that's what they're implying...)

As for your 4 other brands? They probably have the same airbag issues Toyota has on other models, if not the models you own. It seems like as this progresses the list of affected vehicles gets longer and longer, again Takata isn't the only one involved in these, just the public face of the issue. Toyota also isn't the only brand involved, it seems like at least one model in every major brand in the US is affected by this defect by Takata specifically, again, as of now. I won't be surprised if the 4th gens get added to the list at some point, I hear the GX470's are having their's replaced, which makes me wonder if the 4th gens will be next.

There is alternative technology, as mentioned I have heard of some "hybrid" units that use propellant and a compressed gas. But there's no guarantee they're as long lasting, the same was thought of the Takata units until they realized they were wrong. Not saying those technologies can't be good, just that it's hard to say that right now with how things have been going.

From reading the information and such, the best I can say is that depending on your location/exposure/ect. you're at a "low" risk of the unit being within the "danger zone" of degradation, which is somewhat relative unless you looks strictly at numbers (like any good sociopath would ). Which I agree is unacceptable and puts you the consumer in a place that is uncomfortable and unfavorable. It's a dice roll, not every unit is going to fail the same way and just because it's been exposed to humidity doesn't mean that it will kill you or injure you when it goes off, it just means there's a higher than acceptable chance that it might; not what everyone wants to hear when they're driving the vehicle, I get that, but it's the numbers.


But yeah, it sucks to live in a high humidity area and be wondering what the hell you're gonna do while you're waiting for parts to catch up to demand and then wonder how many more times you're going to have to do this. The whole situation sucks.

 

[Kamalani Mahie]

First, if youre concerned, turn off your passenger air bag manually.

Takata isn't the only air bag suppliers. Relax guys it will be ok. If this recall bothers you, get in touch with your dealer and tell them that you don't feel safe driving it. They will probably put you in a rental at their expense.

If you don't what to take that route pull the airbag fuse and disable the system. Remember pre 90's when there wasn't airbags in vehicles.

You really have to put this in perspective. Out of the millions of air bags this have hurt a very few. I think you have a better chance in winning the lottery or getting bit by a shark.

You people are hopeless. Please read the thread.

It's where you live and the year that determines the status.. it will come up in phase 4 2019.... Same airbag in all 5th gens except 2017 and some late production 2016s.


One more time.
https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInf...echinfo/html/prelogin/docs/cp/g1pg1rtofaq.pdf

If you read between the lines in that document you will see Takata was more or less running the recall schedule and prioritization. Hard to say what will happen at this point.

Our trucks may have just lost about 50% of their value. Even 2015s may not get airbags for 10+ years if ever. Really no way to say at this point. I think many are brushing this issue off. I think it is much bigger than most think. I'll probably disable mine soon.

I can't see how they will get parts. The entire industry may be at a standstill. Hopefully it is no big deal, but if all the liability is gone and no more supply... It will take years for the supply chain to build back up.

How do you disable the passenger airbag? What fuse?

 

[Throwback]

Am I understanding correctly that the units should inflate properly up until the time of recall?

My 2014 shows January 2019 as the recall period. I suppose at least I will know if any progress is being made by that point.

 

[Simpleman74]

Grow a set. I have no problem living on the edge, and not worrying about things I can' control. I do have a problem putting my kid, wife, nephew, friend in the front seat. Then having a minor accident and killing or maiming them... When I had knowledge the airbag was deemed dangerous and defective by experts on the subject. All because Toyota was too greedy, lazy, unorganized.... to replace it.

They have the airbags available. They just choose to use them on new vehicles instead of protecting and putting existing customers first. Sure its easy not to give a shit when it does not effect you, but things have a way of coming around.

When Toyota steps up and replaces a single airbag on the 5th gen I'll give them props for finally responding and putting customers first. Until then, they are on my shit list for doing the wrong thing and acting like a POS company. Their track record is not impressive in this area and it seems nothing has changed since the last criminal case against them. This time is different since they have an out with Takata, but same basic slow reaction with lots of feet dragging and keeping existing and even new customers in the dark.....

You bring up other companies.. but they have all pretty much had remedies available for a long time. Shit, Honda begs customers to bring in their cars. Toyota just hopes you will never show up and forget about it.

PUSS! :boxing:

 

[pat1]

All this is getting really dramatic. Pull the air bag fuse (probably under the hood in the fuse box)


You can't believe everything you read on the internet. If there was a (real problem) all the auto manufacturers would want you to stop driving the car completely. It's NOT just Toyota it's just about all auto manufacturers.

Toyota will fix it. You won't lose value, your head isn't going to fall off and your truck isn't going to blow up.

 

[BettysNephew]

I saw on TV news that the CEO of Takata stated that the bankruptcy was done to hold off creditors. This will allow them to actually stay in business and fulfill their obligations for the recall. I am not sure how Japanese law works and suspect it is somewhat different than here. I do know that the Asian folks take obligations VERY seriously and I suspect this is not a ruse. Losing face is a serious thing to them.

 

[JeremyB]

I've yet to find an answer on whenabouts the airbags start to become compromised. Anybody found one? Although there probably isn't one.

The destabilization of the propellant is dependent on the moisture (dew point) its exposed to. So a vehicle that spends it's life in Miami has exposure to much greater average dew point a vehicle in Idaho.

Here's a map showing the annual mean maximum dew point temperature which should correlate to Takata airbag propellant life if moisture exposure is the driver.

 

[Jetboy]

The main point I am making here is that holding Toyota, or Ford, or Honda, or anyone else liable is not entirely unreasonable. But, at the same time while they are in control of their supply lines to a degree; this seems to be an issue where a certain technology was thought to be good enough and now it seems that said technology is not so great and there may need to be a restructuring of the industry to accommodate that change. Toyota, Ford, Honda, ect. specifies a part and the Supplier (Takata being the main culprit here) provides a part that meets that specification. So if there is a parts failure, a large majority of responsibility falls on the Supplier in this case.

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As between Toyota and Takata - yes it seems as though it's Takata's fault. But as between me and Toyota it's 100% Toyota's responsibility. Toyota is in the position to choose vendors and to spec the parts - and part of that choice is to evaluate the track record of producing parts and the financial ability to fix a problem. I don't have any relationship with Takata. I don't have the information Toyota does to make the decision on what airbag is safe or not. The result is that it's entirely Toyota's responsibility to fix them up to and including bankrupting Toyota if that's what it takes. I don't think it will bankrupt Toyota - but Toyota does have to fix them regardless of what Takata does.

 

[gm350reratliff]

Takata isn't the only air bag suppliers. Relax guys it will be ok. If this recall bothers you, get in touch with your dealer and tell them that you don't feel safe driving it. They will probably put you in a rental at their expense.

If you don't what to take that route pull the airbag fuse and disable the system. Remember pre 90's when there wasn't airbags in vehicles.

You really have to put this in perspective. Out of the millions of air bags this have hurt a very few. I think you have a better chance in winning the lottery or getting bit by a shark.

If I lived in a high humidity area and I was worried about it, I would simply pull the fuse until the airbag(s) were replaced. You won't have the additional protection of the airbag but you won't have shrapnel flying at your passengers either. You will have a light on the dash though.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but airbags are specifically designed to explode.

I believe what you're going for is "the vehicles have a small chance to have the airbags detonate in an uncontrolled manner due to variations such as humidity and age of the propellant, the resulting uncontrolled detonation could rupture casings."



How many vehicles don't use these style of airbags? There's some "hybrid" units out there, but for the most part it seems that while Takata is the big name being pinned with using this style of inflator; there's one or two smaller airbag companies recalling theirs (albeit in much quieter manner thanks to Takata's overshadowing image) as well for similar issues. This isn't new technology, it's been this way for a while from what I understand. Even the first airbag vehicles stated in their owner's manual that airbags would need service/replacement after a specified time.

My gut feeling and the feeling of a lot of people I've talked to at various levels of involvement in this ordeal seems to be that once this gets sorted with Takata, we as consumers will see a service interval for SRS components like anything else, simply by design. Actually if you really want to get your panties in a bunch, all the airbag units being replaced? Well they're probably going to need to be done all over again down the line from what I understand. From what I have heard from Honda Techs and some stuff here and there all these units we're replacing them with? They'll all expeience the same degradation that we see now, in fact in the case of the Corollas, Tundras, Sequoias it's already been done. I guess Toyota didn't like the units they put in the first time?

The main point I am making here is that holding Toyota, or Ford, or Honda, or anyone else liable is not entirely unreasonable. But, at the same time while they are in control of their supply lines to a degree; this seems to be an issue where a certain technology was thought to be good enough and now it seems that said technology is not so great and there may need to be a restructuring of the industry to accommodate that change. Toyota, Ford, Honda, ect. specifies a part and the Supplier (Takata being the main culprit here) provides a part that meets that specification. So if there is a parts failure, a large majority of responsibility falls on the Supplier in this case. From what I have seen, the earlier reports came from older vehicles, which makes me wonder if there was an "expected lifetime" for these SRS components and now that we're finding out they not only do not meet that arbitrary goal but higher humidity can increase the rate of degradation the manufacturers have had to re-evaluate every unit used and determine which ones are at risk.



Why? The vehicle is not anymore unsafe than it was when manufactured. If your vehicle is covered under the future campaign you should have been or will be issued a letter explaining that it will be rolled out in phases based on the probability of failure. The airbags aren't bad out of the box, they need time and humidity to creep towards a point where failure can occur, (if you bought a 216 or 2017 model that was included in your paperwork which you signed) which is why the airbags are being done in phases based on highest humidity.

Look it's up to you, if you think your car's going to just explode in a ball of fire then get rid of it and buy a Ford Explorer that slowly chokes you to death with Carbon Monoxide poisoning or a Chrysler Hybrid Minivan that has "loss of power" issues when driving or any of the other manufacturers dealing with airbag issues.

But I encourage you and everyone else in this thread to sit down and read the history of these devices, their design, their construction, the safety issue presented with Takata's units and so on before you just jump on the "Share this Facebook" story bandwagon.

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Let me posit this, I work as a technician; I handle these airbag inflators on a near daily basis. Sure we have a "cage" to put them in when we take the inflators out of the airbags, but there's a good minute or two where I'm holding the unit in my hands as I walk over to the cage. IF all these affected units were THAT unstable and THAT dangerous I can almost guarantee you that Toyota would not let us even walk from the vehicle with them in our hands let alone approach a vehicle without a Special Service Tool "Bomb Suit". Considering the stuff we have to go through when working on hybrid systems, I don't see Toyota being flippant and wanting the liability of their technicians being blown to bits if they were truly that dangerous.

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In regards to Takata filing for bankruptcy. I'm surprised it took this long, given the scope and extent of this industry-wide issue I figured they'd have gone under by now. I genuinely believe the only reason they haven't been closed down yet is because while there are other manufacturers of airbag units, Takata is one of the biggest and while their competitors could take over for them going forward, they'd be hard pressed to ramp up production (after they design new units to produce) to meet the demands of all the manufacturers needing recall AND new production parts.

@wfo9

I would argue that Toyota is doing something, the backlog of parts is large. Keep in mind Toyota has to get their airbags from Takata, who's having trouble keeping up with their normal production on top of their recall crap for everyone included.

The reason they're doing phases is because of parts availability, they don't issue a recall or push a recall to "correction" stage until they've amassed a certain number of parts. They want to have a stock of parts on hand for a recall rather than being in a position where they've run out. Unfortunately it seems the "running out" part still happens.

My comment regarding the 90's era vehicles was in regards to when airbags were becoming standard and some manuals pointed out that they would need to be serviced in regards to the future probably moving towards a service interval for them in the future after this is all taken care of.

You wouldn't know they weren't unstable given how people think they're just going to randomly explode like some sort of claymore simply because it has "Takata" on it. But you're right there's a TON of misinformation and hysteria and people who don't read the facts properly and it gets annoying to no end. As for it being irrelevant for service, I beg to differ. Toyota (actually not just Toyota) makes it clear that "static discharge" is enough to set off an inflator. It only takes about 1 or 2 AA batteries in line to set off an airbag unit. Now I doubt that will ever really happen as they're designed with fairly robust failsafes (self-shorting connectors, ect.), but there is some information in the books and the literature that basically says banging them around could make them go off; additionally in one Prius airbag recall they want you to let the vehicle "cool off" before playing with the side-curtain airbags because they could detonate? (had to read that a couple times and I still am not sure if that's what they're implying...)

As for your 4 other brands? They probably have the same airbag issues Toyota has on other models, if not the models you own. It seems like as this progresses the list of affected vehicles gets longer and longer, again Takata isn't the only one involved in these, just the public face of the issue. Toyota also isn't the only brand involved, it seems like at least one model in every major brand in the US is affected by this defect by Takata specifically, again, as of now. I won't be surprised if the 4th gens get added to the list at some point, I hear the GX470's are having their's replaced, which makes me wonder if the 4th gens will be next.

There is alternative technology, as mentioned I have heard of some "hybrid" units that use propellant and a compressed gas. But there's no guarantee they're as long lasting, the same was thought of the Takata units until they realized they were wrong. Not saying those technologies can't be good, just that it's hard to say that right now with how things have been going.

From reading the information and such, the best I can say is that depending on your location/exposure/ect. you're at a "low" risk of the unit being within the "danger zone" of degradation, which is somewhat relative unless you looks strictly at numbers (like any good sociopath would ). Which I agree is unacceptable and puts you the consumer in a place that is uncomfortable and unfavorable. It's a dice roll, not every unit is going to fail the same way and just because it's been exposed to humidity doesn't mean that it will kill you or injure you when it goes off, it just means there's a higher than acceptable chance that it might; not what everyone wants to hear when they're driving the vehicle, I get that, but it's the numbers.


But yeah, it sucks to live in a high humidity area and be wondering what the hell you're gonna do while you're waiting for parts to catch up to demand and then wonder how many more times you're going to have to do this. The whole situation sucks.

Thank you for this insight and your thoughts on this. :thumb: It's good knowing my wife's head won't get blown off by the airbag. Although, I did just increase the life insurance.....


:jk:

All this is getting really dramatic. Pull the air bag fuse (probably under the hood in the fuse box)


You can't believe everything you read on the internet. If there was a (real problem) all the auto manufacturers would want you to stop driving the car completely. It's NOT just Toyota it's just about all auto manufacturers.

Toyota will fix it. You won't lose value, your head isn't going to fall off and your truck isn't going to blow up.

Yes, again, if your dealer won't give you a rental and this is a big concern, I would pull the airbag fuse.

 

[wfo9]

As between Toyota and Takata - yes it seems as though it's Takata's fault. But as between me and Toyota it's 100% Toyota's responsibility. Toyota is in the position to choose vendors and to spec the parts - and part of that choice is to evaluate the track record of producing parts and the financial ability to fix a problem. I don't have any relationship with Takata. I don't have the information Toyota does to make the decision on what airbag is safe or not. The result is that it's entirely Toyota's responsibility to fix them up to and including bankrupting Toyota if that's what it takes. I don't think it will bankrupt Toyota - but Toyota does have to fix them regardless of what Takata does.

This all seems logical. The main question now is what happens to the liabilities that Takata had before the bankruptcy. All the backlog of parts to be replaced plus all the pending and active lawsuits. It seems like it will get very messy. Normally not a huge deal, but since this safety issue is time sensitive... what happens and who should pick up the pieces.

I'm sure they were intially conservative with large margins of error in the negotiated schedule of the zones and timelines.... but it got pushed back once already, so I'm wondering if they will just consider a few more years good enough? You can tell from reading the Q and A in the Toyota document that Toyota was basically trying to say the schedule and urgency is between the NTSB and Takata.

 

[Simpleman74]

[MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] what other 4 brands do you own without airbag issues? You'd be hard pressed to find a vehicle that doesn't these days. Even the higher end market rocks takata in a few models.

Bottom line we arent driving around in ticking time bombs. 16 deaths and 100 someodd injuries reported doesn't mean those numbers are real.... remember the sticking accelerator issue a couple years ago? about 3/4 of those reports were due to driver error or fraudulent claims...

once word gets out, people that crash due to error on their part are quick to yell "Its takatas fault" just so the blame is shifted

 

[wfo9]

Pulling the airbag fuse is an option.. I get it. But still, no airbag now. So you have to again risk your passenger while you have an airbag. It's a shitty choice to be forced to make on a 5-6 year old vehicle. Not the end of the world, but it sucks.


Why not have Toyota pulling parts from new MFG line and fixing existing customers trucks in the red zone? It may be more complicated than that.. but I'm guessing nothing but the actual airbag capsule has changed. Yes, this would cut into profit and put existing customers above future ones.... That is what I would do if I was running a business. But that is because I would feel a sense of responsibility.. mega corporations typically spread it out enough so that nobody feels it.

 

[wfo9]

[MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION] what other 4 brands do you own without airbag issues? You'd be hard pressed to find a vehicle that doesn't these days. Even the higher end market rocks takata in a few models.

Bottom line we arent driving around in ticking time bombs. 16 deaths and 100 someodd injuries reported doesn't mean those numbers are real.... remember the sticking accelerator issue a couple years ago? about 3/4 of those reports were due to driver error or fraudulent claims...

once word gets out, people that crash due to error on their part are quick to yell "Its takatas fault" just so the blame is shifted

I typed that wrong.. I have 4 other vehicles (not brands, just two brands total with Toyota being one). None have had any airbag recalls that required any wait time or deactivation of the airbag.. One had an airbag related recall that was resolved years ago with no wait time. I think it was just the weight sensor in the seat.

In the case of these particular airbags, it is the NTSB looking at the design and testing the airbags and coming to the conclusion that they are not safe over time when exposed to heat and humidity. I really doubt its some ploy for lawyers to make money with fraudulent claims .... I'm sure that has happened.. but these particular airbags were identified as problematic before the injuries took place. Hopefully, they will be replaced before it actually happens.

 

[HerT4R]

i am scheduled to take in my 2010 in zone A (Texas) (it has lived its entire life in Zone A) and hopefully they will have the parts and can replace it right then.

[MENTION=66389]BlackWorksInc[/MENTION] what is required to get to the passenger side airbag? i want to know what specifically I need to inspect when I get my truck back to make sure everything is just as it was when i pulled up to the dealership prior to them commencing work. Will they have to pop the hood at any point during this recall work?

Also how likely is it that they will fiddle with anything else in my truck? Im def a helicopter parent to my 4runner and i HATE leaving it somewhere where i wont be able to see everything....

 

[wfo9]

i am scheduled to take in my 2010 in zone A (Texas) (it has lived its entire life in Zone A) and hopefully they will have the parts and can replace it right then.

[MENTION=66389]BlackWorksInc[/MENTION] what is required to get to the passenger side airbag? i want to know what specifically I need to inspect when I get my truck back to make sure everything is just as it was when i pulled up to the dealership prior to them commencing work. Will they have to pop the hood at any point during this recall work?

Also how likely is it that they will fiddle with anything else in my truck? Im def a helicopter parent to my 4runner and i HATE leaving it somewhere where i wont be able to see everything....

When you say scheduled... Tell us how this came about? I have been unable to get any info out of a dealer.

My understanding is the 2010s were recalled May of 2016 and 2011 were May of 2017... but there was no remedy, but the latest document changes all that up and says a remedy should be available for 2010 in June, then September for 2011, and December for 2012.

It would be great if that schedule somehow sticks. Maybe they will have enough allocated to get the 2010s and 2011s taken care of. The others still have time before being officially in the red zone.

 

[Simpleman74]

I typed that wrong.. I have 4 other vehicles (not brands, just two brands total with Toyota being one). None have had any airbag recalls that required any wait time or deactivation of the airbag.. One had an airbag related recall that was resolved years ago with no wait time. I think it was just the weight sensor in the seat.

In the case of these particular airbags, it is the NTSB looking at the design and testing the airbags and coming to the conclusion that they are not safe over time when exposed to heat and humidity. I really doubt its some ploy for lawyers to make money with fraudulent claims .... I'm sure that has happened.. but these particular airbags were identified as problematic before the injuries took place. Hopefully, they will be replaced before it actually happens.

I wasnt talking about a lawyer ploy I am talking about greedy Americans looking for any way to make a buck

 

[STX4Runner]

When you say scheduled... Tell us how this came about? I have been unable to get any info out of a dealer.

My understanding is the 2010s were recalled May of 2016 and 2011 were May of 2017... but there was no remedy, but the latest document changes all that up and says a remedy should be available for 2010 in June, then September for 2011, and December for 2012.

It would be great if that schedule somehow sticks. Maybe they will have enough allocated to get the 2010s and 2011s taken care of. The others still have time before being officially in the red zone.

I'd like to know too (mine's a 2010 that's lived it's whole life in Texas). I have not heard anything about bringing it in for replacement.