Toyota sourcing diesels from BMW

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Maybe, just maybe, the 6th Gen 4R might see a diesel, considering Toyota's deal today with BMW for diesel engines, batteries.

But then again I am entirely too optimistic.

Reuters story.
 
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Maybe, just maybe, the 6th Gen 4R might see a diesel, considering Toyota's deal today with BMW for diesel engines, batteries.

But then again I am entirely too optimistic.

Reuters story.

Doubt it, last diesel motor i want in a toyota is a BMW one, it will be overcomplicated and will probably need urea injection.
 
Doubt it, last diesel motor i want in a toyota is a BMW one, it will be overcomplicated and will probably need urea injection.

hahaha. yeah, its good to see that they are turning to a company with a long history of reliability with diesels!

it sure would be sweet to get a diesel version though.
 
I'd take the diesel in-line six in the X5 and its 425 lb.-ft. of torque and 36 mpg highway over the VVT-i V6 in a heartbeat, and would have no hesitation adding a bottle of urea every three months when I add washer fluid. As emissions rules tighten, urea will probably become even more common until another exhaust solution comes along.

The few issues with BMW's diesels far outweigh the shortcomings of the 4R's ho-hum, 278 lb.-ft. 4.0.

I'm not saying the 4.0 is a poor choice, just that the diesel is so much better.
 
Doubt it, last diesel motor i want in a toyota is a BMW one, it will be overcomplicated and will probably need urea injection.

BMW has been making excellent diesel engines for cars for several decades, including mind-blowing v8 models used in the 700 and 800 series.

The German urea fetish is only because their engineers and managers cannot accept that a couple of engineers at Peugeot came up with a workable catalytic converter system for low-sulphur diesel.

None of this talks trucks. Toyota has excellent diesel engines for trucks in their stable, all it would take is the will to drop a D4-D turbo diesel into a 4Runner. This isn't far fetched, since the Landcruiser 150 models in Germany and the rest of the planet already have that engine as an option (and a 6 speed manual... yummy!!!).

See Toyota Land Cruiser Ausstattungsvarianten

"diesel" needs no translation, and "6-Gang Schaltgretriebe" is a manual transmission.
 
BMW has been making excellent diesel engines for cars for several decades, including mind-blowing v8 models used in the 700 and 800 series.

The German urea fetish is only because their engineers and managers cannot accept that a couple of engineers at Peugeot came up with a workable catalytic converter system for low-sulphur diesel.

None of this talks trucks. Toyota has excellent diesel engines for trucks in their stable, all it would take is the will to drop a D4-D turbo diesel into a 4Runner. This isn't far fetched, since the Landcruiser 150 models in Germany and the rest of the planet already have that engine as an option (and a 6 speed manual... yummy!!!).

See Toyota Land Cruiser Ausstattungsvarianten

"diesel" needs no translation, and "6-Gang Schaltgretriebe" is a manual transmission.

The 4Runner won't see a manaul again, and as we can see with the X5 diesel as i have heard many owners, it gets around 20-23MPG, which is piss poor, and with the average $3k increase of gas vs diesel motor, and the $0.30 per gallon difference, i can hardly see people jumping in line for it. I have though talked to a couple of mercedes owners and they get around 29-31MPG in the Merc SUV, but im not really surprised considering mercedes have had some awesome diesel motors in the past, than many people still use for old SUV conversions to this day.

If i want a diesel 4x4 that has a manual transmission, for around $37k, i will just get the cummins every time:

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True, the manual 4Runner is gone forever but the mileage is actually better than what you've heard - I managed 25 US mpg City driving with the X5d and I drive entirely too fast. On the highway, 35 mpg is pretty common, and a full tank can go for about 500 miles.
As for the extra cost, yes a diesel always costs more, just like a turbo or supercharger does, but I, for one, would be happy to pay an extra $3k for all that torque, which would seriously alter the performance characteristics of the 4R and make towing so much better, probably making it superior to the old V8 for towing, and putting it close to a 7,000 lb capacity.
That, to me, is what the 4R should do, and if the partnership with BMW means a diesel will come sooner than later, then bring it.
More, the take rate on BMW's diesel X5 is growing year over year, with more than 30 per cent of buyers now opting for the oil-burner, suggesting Americans are finally warming to what most of us have known all along.
 

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True, the manual 4Runner is gone forever but the mileage is actually better than what you've heard - I managed 25 US mpg City driving with the X5d and I drive entirely too fast. On the highway, 35 mpg is pretty common, and a full tank can go for about 500 miles.
As for the extra cost, yes a diesel always costs more, just like a turbo or supercharger does, but I, for one, would be happy to pay an extra $3k for all that torque, which would seriously alter the performance characteristics of the 4R and make towing so much better, probably making it superior to the old V8 for towing, and putting it close to a 7,000 lb capacity.
That, to me, is what the 4R should do, and if the partnership with BMW means a diesel will come sooner than later, then bring it.
More, the take rate on BMW's diesel X5 is growing year over year, with more than 30 per cent of buyers now opting for the oil-burner, suggesting Americans are finally warming to what most of us have known all along.

Diesel is too slow, to dirty, and "inefficent" for americans! They want a big thirsty V8 with almost no balls, I'm the last person you need to convince to bring a diesel SUV here, maybe the twin turbo bmw motor won't be so bad. But until we see more diesels here, ill stick to my dad's tuned mkiv jetta tdi, and my 4Runner cause my dad wont sell me the damn jetta yet.
 
Maybe, just maybe, the 6th Gen 4R might see a diesel, considering Toyota's deal today with BMW for diesel engines, batteries.

But then again I am entirely too optimistic.

Would be interesting to see, not sure about BMW diesels, but I rented a diesel Mercedes once and was impressed with the engine. I just hope that whatever Toyota does with 6th Gen it will be still truck based and not cost prohibitive : )
 

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