V8 vs V6

Jeremy556 said:
4lo in snow? I think traction is the key in that scenario.

Agree 100% that the low end torque part. My overweight pig 5th gen and I eagerly await the release of the dual vvti 4.0 TRD supercharger.
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Traction was key in that situation, but my point was more along the lines of I don't think if you just slammed on the pedal from a dead stop the torque would be on tap for such a short pull of that much weight in the V6 to be honest with you without at least power braking and getting the engine revved up before hand.
[MENTION=76166]Qjake[/MENTION] You bring up a fair point and I don't disagree with you at all in that respect. The 4.0L is a good engine and for the majority of people who are going to use it, it has plenty of power; I only see it as "underpowered" because of the torque band and the few situations where my V8 really shone through versus V6 4Runners on the trail.

To be honest though... I have this stupid idea of shoving one of these in a 4th or 5th gen now; http://www.toyota-4runner.org/general-discussions/153256-1vd-ftv.html.
 
WillK said:
I drove one- a 2010. And it lacked low end torque, and that's kinda the point of the whole conversation. You don't have to "put the pedal down" to make the V8 go. At an 1/4 throttle, the thing moves out smoothly and with power.

Question is, have you driven a V8?
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I'll agree with this one. Compared to my Moms 2011 GX, the V6 in my 2006 does feel a bit inadequate at times. Hell, her GX can merge on to the highway at 1700 rpm and reach highway speeds at a good rate. For me to match that same rate, I'd have to, as everyone said - put my foot down. At which point my mother would tell me to quit driving so aggressively.
 
I have a Trail Edition Runner and a Tundra Crew Max 5.7.

The 6 motor is a slug. The 5.7 was good but I added the T UR D supercharger, this is how both cars should have left the factory. Those that say otherwise must come from driving Prius'es .
 
Qjake said:
Cookie for you.


I agree that you will certainly feel the lack of torque when towing or pulling, hence the higher tow rating on the 4th gen v8's. But all these people complaining are just throwing out a blanket statement that the 5th's are underpowered and most of them come to that conclusion just because it has a v6. I'd bet it safe to say that of all the "underpowered 5th gen" comments posted in these forums that better than 50% come from people that don't even own or have never driven a 5th and probably another 20% come from the eco light watchers.
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Or those of us with Tundra's as well as the Runner. The 6 is a slug.
 
Jeremy556 said:
That is certainly in the plan (with ARB front locker), but when operating at higher elevation, the forced induction is optimal.
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I have had no problems at higher elevation the last 4 years being regeared with 4.56's and that's on reg. gas with 4 people and a 100lb dog in the truck. The TRD ,URD forced induction has been talked to death for years and still hasn't passed calif emissions and even they have doubts that it ever will.
Especially since the 4Runner is classified as ULEV now with that stupid smog pump contraption.
WFO_Racer said:
I have a Trail Edition Runner and a Tundra Crew Max 5.7.

The 6 motor is a slug. The 5.7 was good but I added the T UR D supercharger, this is how both cars should have left the factory. Those that say otherwise must come from driving Prius'es .
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Never drove a Prius but I have built and driven 750hp Nitrous street machines and still think this motor is far from a slug! Built and drove plenty of 6 bangers that would eat your Tundra for a snack before lunch too!

As stated before the gearing is set up to get the best gas mileage since that's all the rage in the world. Why are you too cheap to fix it by putting in the proper gears for low end and instead just whining about it. Gear down or STFU!
 
harper7 said:
I have had no problems at higher elevation the last 4 years being regeared with 4.56's and that's on reg. gas with 4 people and a 100lb dog in the truck. The TRD ,URD forced induction has been talked to death for years and still hasn't passed calif emissions and even they have doubts that it ever will.
Especially since the 4Runner is classified as ULEV now with that stupid smog pump contraption.


Never drove a Prius but I have built and driven 750hp Nitrous street machines and still think this motor is far from a slug! Built and drove plenty of 6 bangers that would eat your Tundra for a snack before lunch too!

As stated before the gearing is set up to get the best gas mileage since that's all the rage in the world. Why are you too cheap to fix it by putting in the proper gears for low end and instead just whining about it. Gear down or STFU!
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Not going to turn this into a sword fight but compared to the 5.7 with a SC it is a slug.

But I also have a 8 year old Hayabusa with turbo that does 0 to 150 in about 6.5 seconds, street legal on pump gas. I don't drive the Runner enough to give 2 shits about its slug motor. I takes me shooting out in the boonies away from liberal eyes so it does what it needs to do I guess .

But thanks for your input.
 
This should end this thread:

I have owned really fast vehicles, trucks and bikes throughout the years.
I have owned really slow vehicles throughout the years.
I have owned really nice vehicles
I have owned really crappy vehicles
I have owned mediocre and blase vehicles too.

Out of all these, the 4Runner performs as expected. If you think or expect anything else you did not test drive or you have unrealistic expectations.

If you wish it to be faster then you have a few choices:

Lighten it up a lot (remove seats, carpet, roof rack, etc)
Run small 17" low profile tires
Re-gear.
If you live in at a high altitude move to the sea side.
If you live in a hot area move to a cold area (but NOT the mountains)

The best place would be Northern Maine on the coast. Some of you could gain 20+HP just by moving there. If you move there, re-gear, remove all the seats and carpet except the drivers seat, remove the stereo and air conditioner, remove all interior plastics and run super lightweight rims then you could expect to gain 60+ hp.

No other choices are available. That is all.
 
1engineer said:
This should end this thread:

I have owned really fast vehicles, trucks and bikes throughout the years.
I have owned really slow vehicles throughout the years.
I have owned really nice vehicles
I have owned really crappy vehicles
I have owned mediocre and blase vehicles too.

Out of all these, the 4Runner performs as expected. If you think or expect anything else you did not test drive or you have unrealistic expectations.

If you wish it to be faster then you have a few choices:

Lighten it up a lot (remove seats, carpet, roof rack, etc)
Run small 17" low profile tires
Re-gear.
If you live in at a high altitude move to the sea side.
If you live in a hot area move to a cold area (but NOT the mountains)

The best place would be Northern Maine on the coast. Some of you could gain 20+HP just by moving there. If you move there, re-gear, remove all the seats and carpet except the drivers seat, remove the stereo and air conditioner, remove all interior plastics and run super lightweight rims then you could expect to gain 60+ hp.

No other choices are available. That is all.
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I agree...like I said on page 1, the 4R does fine in the mountains, and this is when its down on power. I like the fact that I can run up and down the mountains while returning 20 mpg every trip (with E rated tires). I guess these days any vehicle that does not push you into your seat is underpowered. Honestly, last weekend I was very close to buying an 08 LX570 (my GF said it looked like a mom car-"WTF it's a Cruiser *****!"), and I can tell you that it felt a lot "faster". The 5.7 is awesome-along with everything else-, but the tradeoff is that it uses a lot more fuel to accomplish the same thing.....drive to work, or the mall or......... Bottom line is that if your not towing, then your gonna be fine in the 4R. IRL, my GF gets to drive the 4R and I drive an old Subaru. It made 110hp at sea level when it was new. Now....not so much(200k later). Honestly, you should be adjusting to the vehicle, not the other way around. If a vehicles driving dynamics scare you, then find one that doesn't. Unfortunately in the US market today, we cant have the best of all worlds. If you want reliability and resale value then Toyota comes to mind. If you want power then buy a Raptor (they are pretty awesome) or a JCG. If you just need to plow through snow on the way to school...KIA Sorento(100k warranty) or Subaru Forester are your thing. Constant debate about the same old shit is annoying at the very least, and gets us nowhere.
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Find the vehicle you want, and test drive it for 20+ miles. Then ask your self if it's really what you need, and then add in the operating costs. After that, figure out if a used vehicle of the same type could not accomplish the same thing. Then re-evaluate your situation leaving out cool things like huge engines, "super sweet" red break calipers and "awesome" interiors. After all this, realize that you may be paying for your new purchase for the next 5 years.......then wake up the next day and think "dear God, what have I done"
 
FrontRange4Runner said:
After all this, realize that you may be paying for your new purchase for the next 5 years......then wake up the next day and think "dear God, what have I done"
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...you may ask yourself, where is that large automobile?
 

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Qjake said:
Cookie for you.
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Don't need cookies, I've got toys to play with. I'm just saying that your assumptions of who is making statements are assumptions - I've got both engines and can only imagine that the going from the v8 4Runner will feel like a small kick to the groin, as the DC Tundra outweighs the 4th generation 4Runner by over 500lb and the 5th gen is heavier than the 4th Gen.

You keep assuring yourself that the v6 is gutsy for what it is, but it isn't what the v8 is. It all comes down to compromises.


rox.n.ben said:
Please comment if you have gone from the v8 to the v6 and what your experience has been relative to power.
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OP asked for experiences from those who have had vehicles with both engines. Do you meet those requirements or are you simply justifying the engine choice for the 4R?
 
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BlackWorksInc said:
Traction was key in that situation, but my point was more along the lines of I don't think if you just slammed on the pedal from a dead stop the torque would be on tap for such a short pull of that much weight in the V6 to be honest with you without at least power braking and getting the engine revved up before hand.

[MENTION=76166]Qjake[/MENTION] You bring up a fair point and I don't disagree with you at all in that respect. The 4.0L is a good engine and for the majority of people who are going to use it, it has plenty of power; I only see it as "underpowered" because of the torque band and the few situations where my V8 really shone through versus V6 4Runners on the trail.
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I've recovered a built 80 series that was proper stuck in the snow on a tight trail. In that case a slow steady torque pull wouldn't have cut it. Needed to build up speed to get some stretch in the strap. I've wheeled with V8 4th gens and never watched them be able to do something that I couldn't because of the extra low end torque. The only time that's happened was with my buddy's diesel 80 series but that probably had just as much to do with his 37s and SFA compared to my 33s and IFS.

Anyhow, to the OP, go test drive a 5th gen since you can see the perception of the V8 vs V6 is incredibly subjective. Find an empty stretch of road and put the pedal through the floor.
 
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