what an unbelievable difference! - kappa 3.5 dash speakers

Both if those are more audiophile than I am looking for. I'm trying to avoid adding amps etc. Was hoping I could do sinmple speaker swaps and notice a sizeable difference

Unless you add an amp, you will still be running off the factory power. You might not notice any difference in sound or the sound may actually be lower/worst. The speaker is only a portion of the sound performance. If you have an amp that is not powerful enough or strains to run your speakers, you will get distortion. the cleaner the power, the more efficient your system runs and the better it sounds. To break it down somewhat simply.

I replaced every speaker with Infiniti Kappa series (components up front coaxial in the rear). I ran one kenwood amp (5 channel) and a sub. HUGE difference all around. Well worth the upgrade.....
 
For anyone wanting to do this upgrade, I have a new speaker recommendation for you - the JBL GX302. New speaker at 2.3 ohms which is closer to the discontinued Kappa's 2 ohms than anything else.

I originally put in Polk db351 4-ohm speakers. Though they are highly regarded, they were very quiet for me when on the speakerphone or with quieter music. After switching to the JBL GX302, things are perfectly balanced. Can't recommend them enough.

JBL GX302 3-1/2" 2-way car speakers at Crutchfield.com
I just installed these in my 2016 and I concur they are a great upgrade. The system doesnt have that muffled sound anymore, crisp highs and mids. I kept the factory plugs intact and instead cut the pos and neg wires at the factory speaker, attached pigtails with appropriate connectors and they sound fine to me. I also reused the factory brackets, I just lined up the speakers to fit and cut the bracket with a hacksaw to fit. Took me an hour, but thats because I was careful. I recommend this highly. I think I will it in my wifes Highlander also. That has the JBL system, and it is bar far the worst factory system Ive heard in 20 years.
 
Did you have to install bass blockers with these? I put in some kickers and the bass was kind of too much. Ended up putting bass blockers in.... sounds ok but still want better, so thinking of these... Thanks
 
I would run bass blockers on any of them, I put in the Infinity Reference which are basically the same speaker as the JBL and it needed bass blockers.
 
I've read this forum, ordered my speakers, and completed the install last night. I thought I'd like to share my results with a crossover as wel as my method of completing this install without damaging the factory wire harness.

1st - DO NOT USE A CROSSOVER!

The Infinity Kappas already come with a built in crossover (that's why there is a big black box hanging from the speaker). The Kappa's crossover filters out only the frequencies that the speaker's can't handle. If you install a 600HZ crossover, then you'll be filtering out some mid range sounds that the speakers handle wonderfully.

2nd -THERE IS NO REASON TO CHOP THE FACTORY WIRES.

Here's a step by step guide on re-using the connector attached to the OEM speaker.

2.1

Remove the plastic speaker grill on the dash. Use a hard piece of plastic or a small flat head screw driver to pry up the front end of the panel.

TIP - if you're using a screw driver, put a piece of electrical tape over the flathead to prevent scratching.

2.2

Remove the factory speaker using a 10mm socket wrench or a short philip's head screwdriver.

2.3

Disconnect the speaker from the factory speaker connector.

2.4

Pry off the speakers wire harness and clip the black and white wires as close as possible to the speaker. This will leave just enough wire to connect to the Kappas.

See that blue thing in the photo? That's what we need to pry off.

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2.5

Check it out - the speaker harness has a built-in crossoever (the little black thingy). If you don't believe me about using a crossover, you can leave this on and skip to step 2.8.


2.6

That crossover sucked didn't it? Ok, let's remove it. The crossover is the little black thing.

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Using pliers, pull it away from it's connections slowly. If you do it right, you'll be left with the pins intact.

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2.7.

Solder the connectors together. I twisted mine together, cut, then used a $4 soldering gun (available at Walmart) to drop a bead onto the twisted connectors. (I also soldered the tips of the stripped wires to give the Kappa's screws a little something extra to grip ).

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2.8

Strip the ends of the wires and connect to your Kappas.

TIP - Black wire on harness = Negative. White = Positive.

TIP - Use some electrical tape to secure the harness to the Kappa's crossovers and cover the soldered connections. This will ensure nothing wiggles loose and protect the soldered wires.


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2.9

DONE! Just plug the Kappas into the preserved T4R speaker plug and mount. Everything works great, and the only thing destroyed was those cheap OEM speakers.


TIP - Be sure to insulate the speakers from the metal dash (as other's have posted) to prevent the magnet from touching the body otherwise you'll hear popping in the speakers.

TIP - Be sure to fabricate mounting brackets or purchase mending plates to mount securely.

TIP - Be careful removing the black plastic plate on top of the Kappa's. You can tear the rubber surround loose. A better idea is to shave it down using a sander (only for passenger side - driver side fits without mods).


3rd - Verdict

AWESOME SOUND. Much better that the TSH, TSh, TSh the OEM speakers produced. These have full range sound (minus the low end bass) that add an incredible dimension to the flat sound of the stock T4R system.

By the way, I also added 2 DVC 8" 200W RMS bazooka tubes in the back that fit beatifully. I powered the subs with an amp located under the passenger seat. The amp taps into the rear speaker leads of the OEM stereo. This things have big boom for very little $$.

My write up on the AMP + SUB install will be coming shortly. Overall, I've spent $360 bucks, preserved the OEM appearance, and now my wife has amazing sound that blows away the JBL systems at a fraction of the cost.

Thank you darkdane! I used your walk through to install a set of JBL GX302 speakers in the dash. The modification to use the factory connectors and it came out great.

The tricky part was getting them to fit but I ended up tin snipping the mounting bracket on the factory set to create a mounting bracket that worked good enough.

Great write up.

I did not use any bass blockers in the install and they sound amazing. In my five minute test, they handled high volume with no distortion. I'll give it a week and see if the bass blockers are needed.
 
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I have the JBL system and just want to do a minor upgrade. Debating between the following for my dash:

MTX Thunder35
JBL GTO329
Infinity Ref 3002cfx

Suggestions?

Also, is it worth upgrading my door speakers if run them off the stock amp?

Also, same for the sub?

Out of the ones you suggested the JBLs are the best, The GTO line sounds great. Honestly they will all sound better than stock and they will all work just fine. The dash upgrade is really easy and should be one of the first things any T4R owner should do to their vehicle.

The door is trickier. Yes almost all will sound better than stock, but some not by much. The issue (to me) for people who don't want to add an amp is tweeter placement, and power from the factory amp.

I havent looked into the factory sub (I dont have one) but I have seen a few people replace the stock one and add a small amp under the panel next to the sub. I would assume it sounds MUCH better than the factory sub.
 
Out of the ones you suggested the JBLs are the best, The GTO line sounds great. Honestly they will all sound better than stock and they will all work just fine. The dash upgrade is really easy and should be one of the first things any T4R owner should do to their vehicle.

The door is trickier. Yes almost all will sound better than stock, but some not by much. The issue (to me) for people who don't want to add an amp is tweeter placement, and power from the factory amp.

I havent looked into the factory sub (I dont have one) but I have seen a few people replace the stock one and add a small amp under the panel next to the sub. I would assume it sounds MUCH better than the factory sub.
the factory JBL amp/DSP isn't terrible and affords quite a bit more breathing room for upgrading speakers so long as similarly low-impedance (2 ohm) replacements are installed.
 
what factory sound system did you have? regular or JBL?

I'm in a TRD Pro which I believe is non-JBL. The door speakers are ok and with the GX302s installed, you can hear a clear difference in sound quality. Eventually a full speaker replacement will happen, but swapping out the dash set is a good first step.
 
I'm in a TRD Pro which I believe is non-JBL. The door speakers are ok and with the GX302s installed, you can hear a clear difference in sound quality. Eventually a full speaker replacement will happen, but swapping out the dash set is a good first step.

I am waiting to hear SOMEONE who has the JBL system do a swap out...I don't want to be the guinea pig.
 
I am waiting to hear SOMEONE who has the JBL system do a swap out...I don't want to be the guinea pig.
swap out what? JBL system speakers? plenty have done that. the only dodgy thing is swapping out the sub without adding an (additional) amp, as the JBL may not be able to drive your upgrade/replacement as efficiently.

try rattling this guy's cage again... http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...-writeup-5th-gen-jbl-nav-system-overhaul.html ... i'd hoped he would actually follow through with his write up, though it's likely more of an involved install than i'll ever be bothered to undertake
 
I am waiting to hear SOMEONE who has the JBL system do a swap out...I don't want to be the guinea pig.

You wouldn't be the guinea pig, it has been done many times. There is a reason this thread is 5 years old and 31 pages long.

Just start off with the dash speaker replacement. It will make the most noticeable sound difference and be the cheapest upgrade. Its also the easiest to install.
 
Installed GX302s in dash

I used darkdane's write-up to keep the factory connectors (thank you!), and installed JBL GX302 speakers into the dash. A nice upgrade in sound.

I purchased a 396ufd bass blocker for each speaker, and tie wrapped it to the factory blue connector, and wrapped the entire assembly in electrical tape for good measure. From the blue connector and bass blocker, I added a few inches of wire and a of couple speaker lugs- so I could just slide them onto the terminal posts of the GX302s, but tuck the connector assembly a few inches out of the way. The 396uF bass-blacker equates to a cutoff frequency of 175Hz with a 2.3 ohm speaker like the GX302. That keeps the subwoofer frequencies out (I have no subwoofer, just stock door speakers), but the mid-frequencies in.
 
Anyone have trouble removing the mounting bracket bolts from the oem speaker? I cant seem to remove the bolts for the life of me
 
Anyone have trouble removing the mounting bracket bolts from the oem speaker? I cant seem to remove the bolts for the life of me

Yeah, you need a long handle ratchet and a really good grip on the speaker. They will break loose but they are really on there.
 
Yeah, you need a long handle ratchet and a really good grip on the speaker. They will break loose but they are really on there.

Thanks but tried that and theyre not coming off. Guess im going to have to bring them into a shop to fab brackets.
 
Since the factory speakers are worthless except for the blue connectors, get a large pair of pliers to hold the speaker, place the whole mess on a hard surface and use a ratchet to loosen the bolts. They are very tight and kind of snap when they release but you can get them off and you will have the brackets to modify for the new speakers. Use muscle and save money. :thumb:
 

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