Who is Selling this Modified Trail in Dallas for $50,000?

[Jeremy556]

Pardon my ignorance, but why are those cans sought after? I think I remember reading that the U.S.A. changed reg's, makes sense with [MENTION=78273]Jeremy556[/MENTION] 's comments, but what about the reg makes the cans available to us sub-par?

SPECTR cans are no longer sold here because they are not CARB complaint.
CARB compliance seems to have the requirement of removing any sort of vent, so it takes 45 minutes to pour 5 gallons out of an un-vented gas can, but during that 45 minutes, inevitably something else decides to leak, so you end up with 1/2 gallon of gas in your target and 4.5 gallons of gas on the ground and all over your hands.

 

[Viper45]

Thanks. Doesn't seem well thought out either; the way I see it, you end up venting all that gas anyways when you take the cap off to refuel the can...

 

[FrontRange4Runner]

I think I saw whoever bought that in Ridgeway a few weeks ago. Fully decked out 200 series (only modified 200 series I have ever seen) with CO plates, and was waving and pointing as we passed each other.

It was a very nice one, and I ALMOST traded on it, the bumpers alone would be like 6k, however who really knows what the history of a vehicle like that is, not to mention the quality of installation on all of the mods. I would hate to buy it only to find out that much of it was crappy workmanship. The dealer photos were funny: fully decked 200 with lift on stock highway tires....you could say it definitely had its own look :fro:

 

[Stifler]

$50k and no stubby antenna or antman cup mod?:der:

 

[Ryan1975]

lol, I was provided his facebook. It's a young kid...really young.

 

[Intruder]

Is this possible for us to know more about it and if they can make possible for us to ship it outside of Canada.

Shops won't ship them outside of Canada because if they do then Scepter will stop selling to them.

 

[Canazes9]

I'm beginning to see an excellent bootlegging opportunity for a properly motivated person...

David

 

[Foques]

Exactly this. There's a market for every used vehicle out there, you just need to direct your sales to the proper audience. Obviously dealerships are the worst place to go when trying to sell a well modified vehicle, they are all about turning a profit quickly. Modded vehicles are less marketable to the general masses so naturally they'll offer you less since it's probably going to take longer to sell.

However, IMO, these "rip off" dealership trade-ins still have a purpose. People with not so well maintained cars would likely get a decent deal, when you look at the overall picture. A dealership might give you a so so price on the trade-in value but you've also wasted much less time and energy off loading the car. Imagine trying to make a deal with a real anal private buyer, who's going to nit pick every single flaw. Time is money, lol.

Anyway, like some of you have said, I don't feel like the seller is smoking crack for listing it at that price. He seems to have a lot of high dollar goodies in it so I'm sure if he's got some time and patience he can sell it around that price. Just got to wait for the right buyer to come along...

Anyone who would buy a heavily modded ride from anything but a respectable seller is insane.
Maybe, I've been in the show car field for too long and saw that dang near 95% of the cars are a horribly purchase from the day one.

To add to your point about the purpose, tradeins also allow you to sell the car while it is at a higher resale value, even when it is not fully paid off, and you get to reduce your sales tax.

Bright example, my old ride - g35 I had.
It was worth 12 on the trade in (by the way, great price from my dealer), and I still owed 5K for it.
I traded her, by the time I would have paid it off, it would cost maybe 9K.
That way, I got 12 for the ride, and was able to put 8 towards 4runner.
in my book it was a huge win.

 

[Jono.ful]

Here's the deal though, there's both truth and fallacy to the modified vehicle statement.

Many people would buy a vehicle modified by a shop and pay over MSRP BECAUSE of the mods. i.e. Dynan BMWs and shops that build tuner cars and off-road vehicles.

The real question here is more at what point do mods become a liability and/or an indicator of abuse as was pointed out earlier?

I am pretty sure if this vehicle had a well known shop or TRD slapped on the mods people would fork $50k for it in a heartbeart! Look at ICON, they're essentially charging 100k for a "modded" FJ Cruiser frame, should they expect to only sell their vehicles at what an FJ Cruiser frame is worth? What about contractor vehicles, moving vans, work trucks? Those are all "modified" vehicles that sell for often above their MSRP with mods that often affect warranty. Even with 9k on the Odometer the owner would have had to seriously abuse the vehicle to cause any damage and the modifications look to be fairly well done.

The reality is the vehicle is probably worth 50k, but apparently the moment an owner vs. a shop/dealer sells the vehicle it is assumed to be devalued? By most people's logic your saying I buy a '13 Trail Edition, slap a winch on it day one and 1 mile later the Winch doesn't even count as part of the total value, yet I gaurentee you that you wreck your truck and you'll pull the Insurance Companies teeth to get that winch counted. I've always found this grey area to be a source of amusement.

funny you should mention insurance...good buddy here had his heavily modified taco go up in flames recently. He was double lockered and regeared, cb, hid's, BAMF'ed, bumpered etc etc etc. truck was declared a write-off and he fought with insurance to even get 50% value for his mods, and was lucky to get even that.
My Ass Is On Fire build - Tacoma World Forums

 

[Foques]

^
All of my built cars have always had a small additional premium for my mods. Saved me a few times.
On my 4R, I pay 20$ extra to have 15K in coverage..

 

[SOcalTRAIL]

^
All of my built cars have always had a small additional premium for my mods. Saved me a few times.
On my 4R, I pay 20$ extra to have 15K in coverage..

I had this on a 65 Mustang Fastback I built back in the day, need to get some extra insurance on my T4R ASAP.

 

[2013Trail]

A modified vehicle is worth the same if not LESS than an unmodified one of similar condition

That's BS. So is: "You are lucky to get any money for your mods, if you leave them on the truck."

Dealerships use that ploy when making an offer for your trade. Potential buyers say that when they want something for free, but that doesn't make it true. Additionally, many lending institutions don't know how to value a vehicle like that, nor do want to. So they don't want to loan money on it. I sold a show truck that had plenty of mods on it and I got exactly what I wanted for it. It's what the market will bear, folks, and there has to be a buyer for what you want to sell.

The two main problems this seller is going to face is that most people that are in the market for a 4WD aren't looking for one of these vehicles. Then there's the $50K price point. The seller needs to find a buyer who's interested in hardcore offroading--or just a bad-assed jacked-up 4WD--and who has the resources to afford such a vehicle. People who are in the market for this kind of vehicle will recognize the value of it--or disregard it--as they see fit. People that aren't, won't.

 

[Foques]

^ you are delirious.
This is inaccurate only in one situation - if seller is a known, and respected representative of the custom work (be it done by him or by the shops)

 

[LandCruiser]

That's BS. So is: "You are lucky to get any money for your mods, if you leave them on the truck."

Dealerships use that ploy when making an offer for your trade. Potential buyers say that when they want something for free, but that doesn't make it true. Additionally, many lending institutions don't know how to value a vehicle like that, nor do want to. So they don't want to loan money on it. I sold a show truck that had plenty of mods on it and I got exactly what I wanted for it. It's what the market will bear, folks, and there has to be a buyer for what you want to sell.

The two main problems this seller is going to face is that most people that are in the market for a 4WD aren't looking for one of these vehicles. Then there's the $50K price point. The seller needs to find a buyer who's interested in hardcore offroading--or just a bad-assed jacked-up 4WD--and who has the resources to afford such a vehicle. People who are in the market for this kind of vehicle will recognize the value of it--or disregard it--as they see fit. People that aren't, won't.

I've already explained this. Unless your vehicle has been modified by a reputable and known shop using an established component group (AEV's Custom Jeeps and ICON restored Land Cruisers--either a ground up build or using their rebuild packages) are really the only thing that comes to mind, and then ONLY if it's done by a pro shop and has the paperwork to document that.

There's no guarantee that what you're buying is a mess of off road parts installed by a jackass with little to no mechanical skill--furthermore as I have already stated are we dealing with a posermobile that has all of the goodies installed but has only been driven to the Costco and is pristine, or are we dealing with a Trail rig that looks and drives like it's been through a DMZ (and blown up several times in the process).

Dealerships don't want to deal with this any more than any regular Joe. I'm leery of any mods that were installed without my knowledge, there's just too much someone who doesn't know what they're doing can screw up. Furthermore, people who make these rigs often think that these mods "add value," when they rarely do.

When dealing with a private party sale, it's essentially "AS IS." Someone who tells you that they put 15k of mods on their truck and you find out that a few miles down the road that they did a hack job (badly installed bumper, sliders, suspension), you're essentially in the hole and you either have to be very mechanically savvy or gullible to take someone's word that they did it right. 50k is a lot of money to piss away on a promise, and small claims court will not recover any damages if someone is flat out lying about the quality of work they did.

 

[Misterquad]

What they said.

If I have $50k available for a vehicle, I am modding it myself. Now, when a $50k vehicle becomes available for $34k (stock value) I will buy it.

A noobie will buy a fully modded vehicle from the dealership for a couple of reasons. First, they get it financed. Second, they had never modded a vehicle like that before.

If you ever modded a vehicle before, you sum the vehicle and parts and then decided you can do it yourself for less.

I bought a fully modded vehicle from a private party once. Vehicle was an awesome value but I embarrassed to have to say that I bought it that way and did not build it myself. I sold it.

 

[1engineer]

That's BS. So is: "You are lucky to get any money for your mods, if you leave them on the truck."

Dealerships use that ploy when making an offer for your trade. Potential buyers say that when they want something for free, but that doesn't make it true. Additionally, many lending institutions don't know how to value a vehicle like that, nor do want to. So they don't want to loan money on it. I sold a show truck that had plenty of mods on it and I got exactly what I wanted for it. It's what the market will bear, folks, and there has to be a buyer for what you want to sell.

The two main problems this seller is going to face is that most people that are in the market for a 4WD aren't looking for one of these vehicles. Then there's the $50K price point. The seller needs to find a buyer who's interested in hardcore offroading--or just a bad-assed jacked-up 4WD--and who has the resources to afford such a vehicle. People who are in the market for this kind of vehicle will recognize the value of it--or disregard it--as they see fit. People that aren't, won't.

How many modified vehicles have YOU tried to sell? I have sold several, and eventually, after losing my ass on them I figured out that stock is the only way to get top dollar.

Sure, if you have months or years, and you have a unusual or rare vehicle and are willing to wait for that perfect buyer who is willing to pay for your mods then you might be able to break even. In normal situations, putting $4K worth of mods on a vehicle does not net $4K additional on selling price.

The absolute best way to get any money from your mods is to remove them prior to selling and sell them individually. Now, we are not talking $300 for running boards or such nonsense we are talking $10K or so for suspension, wheels, roof racks, bumpers, etc.

You ever watched the Barrett-Jackson auction? If not then watch it, then come back here with your tail between your legs telling us how little you really know about selling modded vehicles. No matter how old or new a vehicle is, stock brings the highest dollar per dollar invested.

I know some dealers even take their modded used trade in and remove the mods so they can make a decent profit. They throw away the mods.

 

[NorthWest 4R]

You guy's are giving him great advertisement over here I must say. Who gives a shit what he asks, I don't see why everyone is trying to debate this topic.

Can't see why everyone is saying you will not get you're money back in mods, to many variables come into play here. I will agree that "most" will not, and loose money though.

That said, I bought an FJ cruiser and a Tundra both brand new, highly modifying them over two years time. Traded them both in independently to the same Toyota dealer, and made out ahead on both of what I purchased new + mod expenses. They liked them so much they took one of their "new $$$" car's off of the showroom floor and put my "used" vehicle in. Even a couple people that worked their we're surprised, as they have never seen the manager put a used car in the showroom. Both instances put a big smile on my face :bigok:

 

[Jono.ful]

Heh, we can get those Scepter cans at lots of places up here. Unfortunately none of the shops that carry them will ship them outside of Canada.

DS Tactical

Princess Auto has 'em too, $29 for 10L water or gas, or $39 for 20L

 

[2013Trail]

How many modified vehicles have YOU tried to sell?

I already answered that question. Also, I did not say that anyone would get what they paid for in their mods when they resell the vehicle. But to claim mods aren't worth anything unless you take them off, restore the vehicle to stock, then sell the mods separately is patently wrong.

In the first place, some mods require altering a vehicle to where it's either near impossible, unpractical, or unfeasible to change it back to it's original form after the mods have been made. What, you going to spend the time and money to take off custom control arms and suspension components and try to sell them by themselves? Used? That's just one small example.

There is a new car dealership near my house that moves a huge amount of "pre-owned" vehicles which includes a lot of 4X4 vehicles many of which have extensive modifications. Not two months ago they sold a significantly older model Jeep Wrangler 2-door that was lifted, had an entire suspension mod, exhaust system mod, and all kinds of crap done to the dash, big well-worn knobbed tires--it had obviously been used hard offroad, and the interior was sh*t. The body was beat to hell, it was dirty underneath and the bumpers had been rearranged by rocks and boulders. $23,000.00. That Jeep wasn't on the lot for one week and it sold. So has every modded Hummer, and any other modded 4 X 4 used vehicle they had. I've talked to a couple of salesman at that dealership and they both told me they have no problem selling modded vehicles--DOESN'T MATTER WHO DID THE MODS! All they need is the right customer and the right salesman.

Now, things are different for a private seller. But the mods are still worth something. But if your rig looks like a piece of shoddy workmanship and/or cheap parts, and it reflects negligence and poor care and/or abuse, there ain't nothing you can do that will get you anywhere near what you want for it.

But if you guys want to continue to BS yourselves and either go through the hassle of R & Ring your 4R back to stock then independently selling each USED part you've taken off of it, because you think mods aren't worth anything installed, knock yourselves out.

Of course you're going to take some sort of dump on your investment--whether it has mods or not. That's the way things work. But it's just plain stupid to think or say that mods aren't worth anything. That kind of mindset guarantees you'll never get what you want for your vehicle.

Now, this kid who wants $50K for his extensively modded 4R may not get $50K for it. Or he might. Like I said before, it's going to take a particular buyer who wants to buy that particular kind of rig. And it's exactly those mods--that so many of you think aren't worth anything--that will sell that vehicle. NOT the stock configuration! What about people that want a ready made 4R like that?

If someone wants it bad enough, they'll pay for it.

 

[Eagle]

There is a new car dealership near my house that moves a huge amount of "pre-owned" vehicles which includes a lot of 4X4 vehicles many of which have extensive modifications. Not two months ago they sold a significantly older model Jeep Wrangler 2-door that was lifted, had an entire suspension mod, exhaust system mod, and all kinds of crap done to the dash, big well-worn knobbed tires--it had obviously been used hard offroad, and the interior was sh*t. The body was beat to hell, it was dirty underneath and the bumpers had been rearranged by rocks and boulders. $23,000.00. That Jeep wasn't on the lot for one week and it sold. So has every modded Hummer, and any other modded 4 X 4 used vehicle they had.

Hmm. maybe someone needs to check the local water source... that might explain several things.

But really... a sale will happen if a willing seller finds a willing buyer at a mutually agreeable price. Pretty sure everyone agrees on that.

I don't think that a dealer will typically be a willing buyer at anywhere near full value for mods. Note that qualification of "typically." Some dealers may know their markets have customer demand. Likewise, many individuals will only be willing buyers if they are confident in the quality of the workmanship. Modded trucks narrow the range of potential buyers, which makes it harder to sell a modded truck than a stock truck. It may be easier to take the truck to stock (or close to it) and sell the truck and parts separately instead of waiting for the stars to align so you can find that perfect buyer.

Modding a truck most likely won't lead to a net gain in value, but I doubt many individuals get in the habit of "flipping" trucks for a profit anyway... most make the mods because they want the mods, not because they want to sell it.