ZR2 Bison - a legit TRD Pro killer?
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jordanrb81
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when did I ever say or imply otherwise? the CLS55 AMG which preceded the CLS63 will not have the same level of collectability.
Further when did I "profess to know everything about automobiles" ?? seriously man, did you smoke your breakfast?
rihavens
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So full disclosure, I am convinced that no new modern car will be a classic. Any ones that have a shot at it are ones that are common. Vehicles have too much plastic, too many sensors and the logistical supply train is too complicated to maintain for the next 40-50 years. Additionally, I think gasoline will eventually be eliminated or be prohibitively expensive. I think the question with new automobiles is which ones will depreciate the slowest and will be the easiest to find parts for.
Speaking of ZR2's, look at the ZR2 blazer as a fine example of this. The beefy suspension that came on the ZR2 blazer is impossible to find, and often owners are swapping out the superior parts for regular pieces from your everyday blazers. My point being, specialty cars are particularly venerable to the ever too realistic problems of maintaining a generous supply of replacement parts. And when those parts are exhausted you are left with really fancy conversation pieces rotting away in a garage. Your AMG will require specialty parts to keep running. How long will you be able to get them? 10 more years? 20? The ZR2 has specialty parts on it as well.
jordanrb81
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Ok so this is the fist time you have talked any sense in this whole thread I think. I don't really know how GM is about replacement parts, also while the ZR-2 is most certainly a specialty vehicle, I don't really know if it will be terribly collectible.
Your comment about gas, I sort of think may be kind of right. I think that just like people enjoy horseback riding and do is as a novelty hobby people will always own cars with internal combustion engines, they just may be sort of a spectacle in and of themselves, special plates and registrations etc. Since you have insisted upon making this somehow about me and the vehicles in my garage...even thought it's supposed to be about the ZR-2 I will address your question about specialty parts. Do you know what a Pagoda is? or the Gullwing? parts are still being manufactured by Mercedes. Google "the Classic Center". There is one in California and One in Germany, the one in Germany I have been to personally and it is amazing. I am in no way worried about parts for my AMG being hard to find, and before you ask, yes, they're already hard to pay for, the thing has the same sort of brakes as a Ferrari 458.. First world problems I suppose.
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WVhillbilly
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So, you're saying that if he wasn't out of the closest before, he certainly is now.
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Scramble
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Plenty of new cars are becoming collectables already. Certain Mustangs, Camaro's, Vipers, Corvettes & Challengers on the American side.
How about the 2012 Lexus LFA Nurburgring that just went for $700,000 at Barret-Jackson?
I agree with most of what you posted above. I'm not a Mercedes fan at all & have seen plenty of AMG's go cheap at Barret-Jackson. Some of them are beautiful but I couldn't afford the maintenance.
rihavens
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At the same time, it is getting nearly impossible to find some parts. A guy at my work had a first generation Viper and sold it because parts were becoming really rare. He got a second generation, but keeping them running? Who knows. I am really curious to see what it's like keeping something going after 40-50 years. I think plastic parts will be impossible to find and unless it is BOTH collectable and common, I think you will be shit out of luck.
jordanrb81
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a car being common sort of keeps it from being collectable. collectable cars are typically rare and somehow unique, annual production runs below 10,000 or so units is usually about where the threshold seems to be. different companies put different levels of focus on keeping their classic models running. Also there has to be a market, buyers for anything will keep it in production. Lastly, ever heard of a 3D printer? I think at some point in the future you'll be able to go into a place not that different from an advanced auto parts, ask for what you need, they'll punch it in and you will be able to watch your part be fabricated before your eyes.
LandCruiser
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And if Toyota makes anything good for sale in the US again we will.
Ford has the Raptor, Ranger, and Bronco.
Jeep has the new Wranglers and pickup.
GM has the ZR2 AEV.
Toyota has nothing. They don't care about the enthusiast market. They make sedans for California traffic.
When the Land Cruiser became a bloated luxury barge was when Toyota gave up on 4x4's in the US. And it's been a slow death since.
This is a Toyota enthusiast community and lots of people here aren't interested in what Toyota has to offer anymore. Should be a huge red flag. Toyota killed the FJC, and used ones sell for a fortune, that should tell you everything.
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