2011 T4R Trail Brake Issue

The brake design in this vehicle is crap I've decided... There have been many instances at a stop either in a drive through or at a red light were I would catch the vehicle inching forward just from relaxing my foot a bit. In most vehicles you can actually feel the bite of the pad to disk break when it starts sliding forward. LOVE the truck HATE the brakes.
 
Sounds as if your dealer does not want to work on your truck. I would mention his name on the forum, and then go to another more reliable dealership. Oh yah, and dont forget to tell your original dealer that you mentioned great his repair shop is, on this media..Zi/
 
The brake design in this vehicle is crap I've decided... There have been many instances at a stop either in a drive through or at a red light were I would catch the vehicle inching forward just from relaxing my foot a bit. In most vehicles you can actually feel the bite of the pad to disk break when it starts sliding forward. LOVE the truck HATE the brakes.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's almost like they need bled or fluid added. I have personally checked my brakes and there is nothing mechanically or hydraulically wrong that I can find except the design.
 
Good to know they kept the same brake system that's on the 4th Gens from the sounds of it. Once you're used to it, it's fine but the learning process builds a new skillset - I am now able to grip the seat with my buttocks I think.
 
Similar issue on my Limited. I have to step pretty deep to get it stop.

I drive Corolla for commute, the brake on Corolla is responsive. When I drive my 4Runner on weekends, I literally have to get use to it for a while. I was thinking it may be because the truck is much heavier than the Corolla, but I doubt it now.
 
Brakes suck and nose dive is bothersome. Lumber in seat sucks, tires suck, rest is awesome.....you take the good with the bad. Also have a creak in the console....hmm hate rattles..lol:violin:
 
I agree wholeheartedly. It's almost like they need bled or fluid added. I have personally checked my brakes and there is nothing mechanically or hydraulically wrong that I can find except the design.

hahah ... are you guys driving my 4runnner ?!!.... that is exactly what it feels like ..

grr.. like i said it is sad when you kneel down by the rims and see those sweet vented discs front and rear you would think it would break like a sports car ... so sad ..

i had a 87 4runner with 550000 km on it and the brakes were sweet in that thing ... kinda a step backwards don't you think
 
I just experienced this today. I was at a red light, felt like my foot was firmly on the brake pedal (I guess I eased off jut a fraction), check the radio, look up, and I'm like an ass hair away from the person in front of me...Me no like!

Aside from that, I did go off the road today...utilized crawl control, and all the other fancy bits...And the noises, buzzes and clicks...wow
 
so , i go to the stealership today and i tell them the issue ... you think the 4runner being a month old they might be a bit more responsive to my needs but nope !!! like usual ...grrrr

anyway told the service dude what i was experiencing and he said " they will check it at 16000 km " it is part of the break in period and that i have to understand that is is a heavy SUV and with 20" wheel and all ... bull**** !!!

god i hate dealers for this ... the are all sucky sucky when you buy a 50k (cdn ) vehicle but after that is is so long sucker !!

sorry end of rant !!
 
I plan on taking mine in next week. When I first got the truck the brakes felt a little mushy, but today I was driving around and it seems like its getting worse.

I'll apply the brakes, hear the pressure valve bleed off, the brake pedal travels about 4inches yet I don't feel any bite at all. Needless to say you run out of room and end up having to use a lot of pedal to stop.

I had a Tundra Crewmax and it seemed to need less distance to stop then the 4runner. I'll let you know what my dealer has to say.
 
Some of you guys sound like you may have a real problem.
Let's get some real data instead of opinion.
How about we measure brake pedal travel and, if possible, pedal pressure. Put a scale between your foot and the pedal and measure what it takes to keep the car from creeping forward. Obviously, RPM's will affect this so better record that too.
My brakes are merely annoying.
 
I noticed something yesterday. After washing the truck I ran out to fill gas and I noticed that the brakes were behaving, and not nearly as bad as the day before. I did not drive much this day.

The day the pedal was really mushy I was doing a lot of driving and was in traffic (not a lot of stop and go, but had to go through a lot of stop lights), not to mention it was 92 degrees out.

So I'm wondering, could this be a brake fade issue due to heat?
 
I get the same creep at the stop light. My foot pressure "feels" the same, and it's too infrequent (and dangerous in traffic!) to pull out the scale.

After a few wake up calls from creeping forward, I've made it practice throw it into neutral if I have to look away while stopped. On inclines, well, I just don't look away.
 
I have 2011 Limited too and the brake pedal feels deep before it engages. When I do normal braking, I hear a 'shoosh' sound thing first, then pedal travels like half way before floor, then I feel good braking. Not smooshy or spongy though.

If I do one or two pumps, then brake pedal is a lot higher when brake engages.

At stop lights, my T4R tends to move forward too so I try to remember to press hard like every 15 seconds. It seems the brake pedal fights to lift up and then T4R moves forward slowly.

I really hope Toyota fixes this because in emergency braking, I hear the 'shoosh' sound before it engages and there's a scary braking delay in it.
 
You guys have some serious issues with your brakes. If mine crept forward or was overly mushy like you are reporting I would be at the dealer until it was fixed. My 2011 Trail does not creep and the brakes are as tight as I would expect from an SUV. This is no 911 after all.
 
Ok so I finally got a chance to take my truck to the dealer. I explained to the consultant what I was experiencing, and the dealer seemed very concerned. I ended up leaving the truck with them all day.

When they called me back, they said they did not find anything out of the ordinary. They said first they checked the system to see if there was any air and they found none. Then they drove my truck around till the brakes got hot and did not get the same feedback I did. They even compared it to the other new 4runners on the lot and they said my brakes felt the same as the new vehicles.

Even the service manager test drove the vehicle with the tech and they did not find anything.

While they didn't find anything, they made a note in their system that they encouraged me to bring it back in if I didn't feel safe and they would continue to work with me to resolve the problem.

Now the interesting thing part. When I got in the truck to drive home, the brakes felt MUCH better. There was no play in the pedal and it grabs as soon as its engaged. Just to make sure I wasn't having some sort of placebo effect, I've been driving the truck for the past couple of days and it appears to be fixed. I just got back from a quick trip to Orlando from Clearwater (1.5 hour trip) and the brakes felt solid, even through the morning and afternoon rush hour traffic.

I know they did work on the vehicle and didn't just let it sit and try to blow smoke up you know where. There were fingerprints on my hood and fenders from the tech behind under the hood. They put a few miles on the truck and used a few gallons of gas during the test drive. They even left their dealer tag in my backseat that I had to take back to them the next day.

I'm not sure what they did, but it seems to be fixed. Maybe they tightened the pedal, or there was a small amount of air in the line that they got out when they checked. But either way I'm happy.
 
2011 4runner limited brakes

I have experienced many of the same brake problems mentioned. When I first got the 4runner in February, it was just fine. However about 2000 miles, the brakes began to get mushy and variable. I never new when the brakes would engage. At times they did not engage until they were almost at full travel. I finally had an incident when traffic stopped in front of me and I applied the brakes and had none. I veared off the road and pumped the pedal and the brakes came back. I called the dealer and they told me bring in. After I got the courage to try it again, I made it to the dealer safely. Immediately upon my arrival, the service advisor told me that was normal, that the 4 runner had soft, mushy brakes, I became very irritated and demanded they be checked. A Senior Technician checked the brakes and said they were OK now. I asked him what he did and he said to make an emergency stop every now and then and it would reset the ABS brake controller. What he did was to take it up to ca 40 mph and make a hard stop. That works for a while, but they become variable and I didn't know the next time I would have to recycle the brakes until I had a near brake failure again. Like some one said, after getting the car back, it seemed like everything was fixed. I soon learned that not applying the brakes hard would render them soft and would need full pedal depression get a brakes response. I contacted Toyota and also worked with the Dealer Service Manager and talked a district service rep. My 4 runner was tested on a computer with other 4 runners on the lot and found that the brake response was less than others tested. They changed the complete master cyclinder assembly. I have soft brakes now, but they are consistant and responsive. So far the variable brake problem has gone away. I did learn that on some units a compressor can be heard building up pressure in the brake accumlator. That is necessary for the brakes to work. On some units it can be heard when the pedal is depressed.
 
I have experienced many of the same brake problems mentioned. When I first got the 4runner in February, it was just fine. However about 2000 miles, the brakes began to get mushy and variable. I never new when the brakes would engage. At times they did not engage until they were almost at full travel. I finally had an incident when traffic stopped in front of me and I applied the brakes and had none. I veared off the road and pumped the pedal and the brakes came back. I called the dealer and they told me bring in. After I got the courage to try it again, I made it to the dealer safely. Immediately upon my arrival, the service advisor told me that was normal, that the 4 runner had soft, mushy brakes, I became very irritated and demanded they be checked. A Senior Technician checked the brakes and said they were OK now. I asked him what he did and he said to make an emergency stop every now and then and it would reset the ABS brake controller. What he did was to take it up to ca 40 mph and make a hard stop. That works for a while, but they become variable and I didn't know the next time I would have to recycle the brakes until I had a near brake failure again. Like some one said, after getting the car back, it seemed like everything was fixed. I soon learned that not applying the brakes hard would render them soft and would need full pedal depression get a brakes response. I contacted Toyota and also worked with the Dealer Service Manager and talked a district service rep. My 4 runner was tested on a computer with other 4 runners on the lot and found that the brake response was less than others tested. They changed the complete master cyclinder assembly. I have soft brakes now, but they are consistant and responsive. So far the variable brake problem has gone away. I did learn that on some units a compressor can be heard building up pressure in the brake accumlator. That is necessary for the brakes to work. On some units it can be heard when the pedal is depressed.

I was driving today on a dirt road in 4wd (not soft sand, wanted 4wd because they say to drive 10 miles a month)..didnt need 4wd, but when I came to a quicker stop...when I hit the brake the pedal went easier and further then normal, it kinda shocked me. I knew right away that didnt seem right. Im not sure why it happened, I have not felt that before, the were alot softer and non responsive. The tires didnt lock up and such. I immediately took the foot off the brake and applied again, they grabbed normal. Normal still meaning squishy and soft but they grabbed as usual. I will have to keep on eye on it. If I was on the highway and close to someone in traffic, I would have bumped them I think...

Was not happy but maybe it was a fluke.
 
I am so glad I found this post. I bought a 2011 Toyota 4runner about 2 weeks ago. Since then I have noticed that the brakes are soft and I feel what I consider to be a slight spring feeling when I push the brake all the way down. I too have noticed that the car creeps when you think the brake is completely engaged. Is this something I should be concerned about or is it just how the brakes on this particular car feel? Or will this possibly go away after the "break in" period?
 
is there an issue with certain VINs? Mine are mushy too and at times I feel I have to press the pedal harder or pump the slower I'm going. I'm going to try the 40 MPH trick and also have the dealer check them at my 5k checkup.
 

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